[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

ibFoxer · 24-05-2010 11:57PM

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TheSpecialOne wrote: »

Loved the Ending im so happy they all moved on to a better place.Thank You Lost for some Great Memories.

On a side-note just two questions!
(1)--How did Kate shot MIB i thought he was invincible from all expect the Guarder of the Island..Jacob..Jack etc..
(2)--Remember when Jack Met Kate and Said "we have to go back"..where they alive when they got off the island or was that purgatory?I'm Assuming they where alive just would like clarification.

OO Lost i Love you!!

Far as i can gather:

(1) When Desmond took out the plug from the light source it renderd MIB mortal again, hence him dying from a gunshot (and beinng punted off the edge of a cliff)

(2) Open to correction on this...... EVERYTHING that happened in season's 1-5, on or off island, happened. Everything that happened on island in season 6 happened. All the season 6 flashsideways stuff was a purgatory of some kind, a sort of plain where everyone had to come to terms with being dead before they could move on. Or at least that's my interpretation of it

Chardee MacDennis · 24-05-2010 11:59PM

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

As i predicted they left themselves with way too much to do and in the end they settled for a hollywood ending.
Feel a bit cheated to be honest given that some of the episodes have been very good in the series.
But not the way to end Lost after six years.

compare it to Harry Potter, are you waiting for the final one to explain all the magic and shi1t?

thats how the writers have treated it, this is a story about these characters and the fact they are trapped on the island is merely coincidence, but that also happens to be one of the reasons the show was so good.

this group of people happened to live in a world where there is a magical island and an after life hence the reason the story didnt conclude on defeating Flocke and saving the island but on the characters meeting up in their after life and walking into the 'abyss' together...

Mr.Nice Guy · 25-05-2010 12:00AM

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mewso wrote: »

Anna Lucia and Ben are quite different. She is not ready and the main indicator is she is not yet aware of where she is. I think you may be partly right about Ben but his desire to move on with Alex would match very closely with Christian's explanation that we move on with those that mattered most in our lives.

Oh yeah I'm sure Ben will move on with Alex when he does, but I do think he needs to pay for his sins first. I personally think Ana Lucia is in a similar position. I take your point that she is not aware of where she is but she did shoot that guy who cost her the baby she was carrying, as well as killing Goodwin, so I'm guessing she has a fair amount to atone for. Ben perhaps did a lot of good with Hurley on the island which made him more worth the effort on Desmond's part than Ana Lucia.

Of course we can only speculate on all of this but that's how I'm seeing it. :pac:

Blazer · 25-05-2010 12:02AM

After watching the final of Supernatural last week and Lost tonight I feel really cheated.
I gave a rating of 1 to the finale..can't believe the writers came up with that shíte...I'd really like to see the alternative endings though to see if they were as crappy.
Its like they said at the last epidsode of season 5...we're fúcked...we better come up with something fast..and we can pretend it's an emotional ending blah blah etc just to keep most of the fans happy...the rest of them? fúck em..who cares..we got our millions for doing the show..it's a complete cop out.

I always said I'd rewatch lost but the last episode (by far the worst in the lost series ) has completely turned me off.

Ah screw it..Dexter's back soon ..

Linguo · 25-05-2010 12:02AM

I really need a long time to get my head around the ending and how satisfying it was.:) It wasn't the ending I had hoped for simply because what had us all hooked (as well as the characters) was the island itself and that seemed to be completely pushed aside in the last episode and with that all the wonderful mysteries it raised. It was a sweet ending but I think it should have been about the island more which has always been a main character! I did enjoy it though I'm just a bit torn about it...:):(

Agamemnon · 25-05-2010 12:02AM

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Elmo wrote: »

But the main character JACK was the most dull character ever created it was like they went into - lets say - a teen TV show and opted to take the older brother in a orphaned family, kill him off and put him on an Island. :rolleyes:

Thank god for the rest of the back stories from Kate, Locke and Sawyer and most of the rest of them. The series as a whole is poorer for not choosing any of the other characters as its main focus. and TBH Jack ended up being that focus on too many occasions.

I dunno, I never understood why some people hated Jack so much. Sure he was bland and not as interesting many of the rest, but he was more of a traditional tv hero, the fix-it guy who often drove the plot on by taking action. He really came into his own in Season 6.

I think Locke's character was badly used. He was the best character in Season 1, the enigmatic hunter with a mystical connection of sorts to the island. He lost his way when he spent Season 2 arsing around in the hatch rather than chucking knives at boars. He was back to his best in S3 & 4 but his eventual death was sad and could have been handled better. It's telling that the flashbacks of his life in the finale were mostly from S1. Terry O'Quinn was always superb though, especially as Flocke.

Sawyer and Sayid were my favourites though, even if Sayid spent recent seasons moping around too much as his guilt overwhelmed him. Sawyer could carry a tv series by himself. He always had the best lines, even if Miles ran him close recently. Miles was another character I always enjoyed - I hated him at first but I was delighted he made it off the island at the end.

Sigh... 95% of the characters on tv are dreary cardboard cut-outs compared to the Lost characters. We'll miss them more and more as time goes by. Please ABC, make a spin-off with buddy cops Sawyer & Miles - the two toughest cops in Purgatory.

Elmo · 25-05-2010 12:03AM

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basquille wrote: »

I recommend a lot of people to do the same.. as there's plenty of people who just aren't quite "getting" it (and by that, I mean the timeline and circumstances of purgatory).

Who cares? Am I to assume that none of the back stories never took place?

ibFoxer · 25-05-2010 12:04AM

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Elmo wrote: »

Who cares? Am I to assume that none of the back stories never took place?

Far as i can tell the season 1-5 back stories happened, just the flashsideways from season 6 was the "purgatory".

prinz · 25-05-2010 12:06AM

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Elmo wrote: »

Who cares? Am I to assume that none of the back stories never took place?

Why would you assume that?

mewso · 25-05-2010 12:06AM

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Oh yeah I'm sure Ben will move on with Alex when he does, but I do think he needs to pay for his sins first. I personally think Ana Lucia is in a similar position. I take your point that she is not aware of where she is but she did shoot that guy who cost her the baby she was carrying, as well as killing Goodwin, so I'm guessing she has a fair amount to atone for. Ben perhaps did a lot of good with Hurley on the island which made him more worth the effort on Desmond's part than Ana Lucia.

Of course we can only speculate on all of this but that's how I'm seeing it. :pac:

I think the issue here is atonement. I don't really see it as pergatory in the classic sense. It's a place to meet those you were closest to before moving on. Theres very little indication of needing to atone and Ben's choice seemed to me to be more about an unwillingness to join people he felt he had hurt, a belief he didn't really deserve to be with them not that he needed to atone. Bleurgh I shouldn't get into this speculation really. It's not what made Lost for me

Foxtrol · 25-05-2010 12:06AM

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BastardPrince wrote: »

compare it to Harry Potter, are you waiting for the final one to explain all the magic and shi1t?

thats how the writers have treated it, this is a story about these characters and the fact they are trapped on the island is merely coincidence, but that also happens to be one of the reasons the show was so good.

this group of people happened to live in a world where there is a magical island and an after life hence the reason the story didnt conclude on defeating Flocke and saving the island but on the characters meeting up in their after life and walking into the 'abyss' together...

Great comparison.

I used how no one worried about an explanation of the history of Baltimore in the Wire to enjoy it. I think yours is much more apt though.

Elmo · 25-05-2010 12:08AM

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foxerv1 wrote: »

Far as i can tell the season 1-5 back stories happened, just the flashsideways from season 6 was the "purgatory".

Good.

Because those back stories for me were the most important part of the show. Characters trying to come to terms with their past lives. Which could only have meant that they were dead.

I am getting at the series, but I did enjoy it but the ending disappointed me because I expected something more since they had built it up so much.

I will miss it, thank god I have the rest of 24 to keep me happy

prinz · 25-05-2010 12:08AM

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basquille wrote: »

I recommend a lot of people to do the same.. as there's plenty of people who just aren't quite "getting" it.

I have a funny feeling there's plenty of people who never got it and have no real interest in it whatsoever.

Elmo · 25-05-2010 12:09AM

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prinz wrote: »

Why would you assume that?

Because the changed them ever so slightly in this season. Jack's son and Locke's Father.

budgemook · 25-05-2010 12:10AM

Okay, I get most of it. Why the FST started at the plane journey, why only some people were in the church, why Ben stayed, Locke turned mortal when island was "turned off" etc etc.

But,

How the hell did Jack get out of the cave?

How did Desmond know about FST / Purgatory while he was on the island?

Why didn't the electromagnetism fry Jack to bits?, thought only Desmond was immune to that.

EDIT: Great finale btw

prinz · 25-05-2010 12:11AM

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Elmo wrote: »

Because the changed them ever so slightly in this season. Jack's son and Locke's Father.

They were completely separate. The flashbacks were very real.

ibFoxer · 25-05-2010 12:11AM

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Elmo wrote: »

Good.

Because those back stories for me were the most important part of the show. Characters trying to come to terms with their past lives. Which could only have meant that they were dead.

Exactly. The character development and interraction was about 75% of what made the show for me. The mythology and science vs faith etc were interesting, but as Flashforward proved you cant rely on plot and story arc alone.

podge018 · 25-05-2010 12:11AM

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so they all died at different times and the flash sideways was purgatory right.

So, let's take Sawyer as a random example.

He crash landed on the island, and spent all his time there til the plane took off at the end.

His time on the island was real, all of it.

His time in purgatory, as a cop, was that a lifetime? Was he born there, go to school etc etc?

Does he get off the island and live a life as Sawyer the person who knew all along he was on the island. When that person died, surely he'd know his history.

I can't get it.

Mitch Connor · 25-05-2010 12:12AM

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Does the fact that Alex is the same in the Flash mean that:
A) Ruseau and Ben dont remember
Ben isnt her da

?

Ben isn't her dad - Ruseau was pregnant when she arrived on the island.

mewso · 25-05-2010 12:13AM

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Foxtrol wrote: »

Great comparison.

I used how no one worried about an explanation of the history of Baltimore in the Wire to enjoy it. I think yours is much more apt though.

Wow amazing how different people are. Comparing it to Harry Potter or Star Wars as someone else did is so way off the mark it's unbelievable. Comparing it to wanting a history of Baltimore to enjoy the Wire is even worse.

prinz · 25-05-2010 12:14AM

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budgemook wrote: »

How the hell did Jack get out of the cave?

Seems the river washed him out.

budgemook wrote: »

How did Desmond know about FST / Purgatory while he was on the island?

His mind was always able to travel through time etc since the hatch imploded IIRC. When Widmore put him in the electrobox and fried him his mind went to the FST but he thought it was a parallel universe, he didn't realise it was actually after death/purgatory.

budgemook wrote: »

Why didn't the electromagnetism fry Jack to bits?, thought only Desmond was immune to that.

He was magic.

Elmo · 25-05-2010 12:16AM

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prinz wrote: »

They were completely separate. The flashbacks were very real.

Why didn't they change Kate's Story? I know they didn't get into why she was under arrest but to me I took it that she was under arrest for things she had done in the other seasons. But I am happy to think that the Flashbacks were real and the sideways flashes were not.

dyl10 · 25-05-2010 12:16AM

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Nothing explained.
Semi-decent attempt to try and stitch things up.

Don't try to reason things that happened before season 6 with the ending, you will just be making a wild assumption and further helping the writers to appear to be semi-competent.

Josey Wales · 25-05-2010 12:17AM

I'm still confused by the ending. I assume that none of the events shown in seasons 1 - 6 actually happened. It was all just in Jacks imagination as he lay dying after the plane crash.

There were no other survivors as they showed the crash site during the credits and there was no people around. Therefore nobody survived the crash.

prinz · 25-05-2010 12:17AM

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podge018 wrote: »

So, let's take Sawyer as a random example.
He crash landed on the island, and spent all his time there til the plane took off at the end. His time on the island was real, all of it.

Yes.

podge018 wrote: »

His time in purgatory, as a cop, was that a lifetime? Was he born there, go to school etc etc?

Yes. He relived his life. Some was the same, some was different, i.e. he made different choices, becoming a cop instead of a criminal etc. He created a life for himself that allowed him to try resolve his issues until his time came to move on.

podge018 wrote: »

Does he get off the island and live a life as Sawyer the person who knew all along he was on the island. When that person died, surely he'd know his history.
I can't get it.

Yes. He escaped from the island as ex-conman Sawyer deported from Australia.

Mitch Connor · 25-05-2010 12:17AM

podge018 wrote: »

so they all died at different times and the flash sideways was purgatory right.

So, let's take Sawyer as a random example.

He crash landed on the island, and spent all his time there til the plane took off at the end.

His time on the island was real, all of it.

His time in purgatory, as a cop, was that a lifetime? Was he born there, go to school etc etc?

Does he get off the island and live a life as Sawyer the person who knew all along he was on the island. When that person died, surely he'd know his history.

I can't get it.

I believe Purgatory began for them - the losties - on the flight, which is why they were all on it in the flash sideways (Des wasn't on the plane in the pilot but was in the flash sideways). They were linked from the very beginning of the flashsideways/purgatory, through to their realisation and moving on.

Sawyer (and Kate etc) are to have gotten off the island and lived their lives. As for their time in Purgatory, it is purely there as a time before accepting and moving on - their 'real' past does not matter. Purgatory was there, and played out as it did, to bring them all back together before moving on.

ibFoxer · 25-05-2010 12:18AM

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podge018 wrote: »

so they all died at different times and the flash sideways was purgatory right.

So, let's take Sawyer as a random example.

He crash landed on the island, and spent all his time there til the plane took off at the end.

His time on the island was real, all of it.

His time in purgatory, as a cop, was that a lifetime? Was he born there, go to school etc etc?

Does he get off the island and live a life as Sawyer the person who knew all along he was on the island. When that person died, surely he'd know his history.

I can't get it.

Think of it like this, everything you saw of Sawyer in seasons 1 through 5, on or off the island, and everything you saw of Sawyer in season 6 ON the island, that was his life. Whatever he went off to do when he left the island we will never know.

The Sawyer as a cop flashsideways was his purgatory. It was, in my mind, his soul waiting to cross over, not realising he was dead, and living out a kind of existence until something happens that makes him realise "oh, wait, it's time for me to go now" (meeting Juliet was his "ephiphany") I'm not sure i'm literate to explain this properly but i hope you get the jist

budgemook · 25-05-2010 12:18AM

prinz wrote: »

Seems the river washed him out.

Washed him up a big wall about 30 feet high?

prinz wrote: »

His mind was always able to travel through time etc since the hatch imploded IIRC. When Widmore put him in the electrobox and fried him his mind went to the FST but he thought it was a parallel universe, he didn't realise it was actually after death/purgatory.

Between different times, no problem. Between being alive and dead?

prinz wrote: »

He was magic.

You have me there

prinz · 25-05-2010 12:19AM

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Josey Wales wrote: »

I'm still confused by the ending. I assume that none of the events shown in seasons 1 - 6 actually happened. It was all just in Jacks imagination as he lay dying after the plane crash.

There were no other survivors as they showed the crash site during the credits and there was no people around. Therefore nobody survived the crash.

It did all happen. It wasn't Jack's imagination. They showed the crash site as a link back to the pilot episode.

Hugh_C · 25-05-2010 12:19AM

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There's no way I have the time or energy to wade through this entire thread (58 pages and growing fast). The ending for me was a bit of a let down, but there again there's no way the writers could have explained the phenomenon that was The Island. Because there were no rules.

This forum has been great for people interpreting, analyzing and over-analysing - brilliant, that's the success of the series. But in the end I think it's pretty much a couple of writers sitting down with a few great ideas and free-associating and doing a bunch of stream-of consciousness stuff.

I loved the entire show - some brilliant characters, too many to mention, and while I drifted off in season 6, I downloaded a load of them and watched them back-to-back to catch up.

My interpretation FWIW? They were all dead from the start. Purgatory? Limbo? I don't technically know the difference but either will do for now.

The only cop out in the show for me was never showing FLocke morphing into Smokie. I would have died happy otherwise

[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]