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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • #692
    Jay Ru
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    Heres my problem bout the ending, if all the losties died at different times why are they all the same age as they were when they where on the island? Eliose was there in her ripe old age so why didn't those who lived longer than Jack age? And why was Claire pregnant? She'd given birth before she'd died right? It just makes no sense to me? Why did they all have different lives pre the flight in flash sideways, its like they changed them just to suit the outcome.

    As a stand alone ep it was pretty good tv a bit over the top in places with the love buzz but as far as the finalle of the so called "Greatest TV show ever made" it was an epic FAIL. With the exception of the flashbacks during the realisastions there was absolutely no reference to any of the seasons that went before. Everybody is banging on about how its great to see the character archs come to a head, they all died folks? Wud you of been happy if the flash sideways was the actually reality and they all committed suicide at the end? Its basically the same outcome. And not a hint of what Cecil's actually was capabilities where if they got off the island? And as far as they "Flashes" being the twist at the end of the series, didn't they do that at the end of the 3rd series?

    Did they answer any of the major mysteries?

    Am i right thinking the producers of Lost came up with end date and not the studios?


  • #693
    MisterAnarchy
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    CaptainNegative wrote: »
    My only gripe with the episode was that there was no appearance by Mr Eko and I was really expecting to see him since we'd seen nearly everyone else already this season... For that reason alone I gave the episode a 9 rather than a 10, but I'm probably being a bit petty there (it's only because Eko was my favourite character)...

    Mr Eko was supposed to be in the finale but the actor who portrayed him didnt want to do it ,he was looking for 5 times the amount he was offered ,so he was written out.A pity really.


  • #694
    Aldebaran
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    That last scene with Jack lying in the forest, and Vincent by his side?


    I cried.


    10/10


  • #695
    the_monkey
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    So what about Claire having a baby in purgatory ? whats the point in that ??


  • #696
    Handsome Bob
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    seadnamac wrote: »
    Christian says to Jack;

    "They're all real, everything that ever happened to you is real"

    How does this tie into what we saw in purgatory? He goes to see his son play piano, he operates on Locke, he flies on a plane, he does everyday mundane stuff.

    So is Jack to believe that this was all real, even though the consensus is that he was dead?

    Christian didn't make a distinction between the on island stuff and the FST stuff when he said it was all real.

    This is the line being used to generally to support the consensus that the island life was real and the FST was purgatory (I'm not neccessarily disagreeing by the way, before someone gets their knickers in a twist), but if everything that happened after Jack was dead was just as real as everything that happened before then, then the line between the two becomes a bit less clear in my opinion.

    Well the LA times review seems to think the alt universe was the doing of Hurley, his final gift to his friends in that he gave them a world where they could be happy while making the journey to "moving on". If the LA times are right, Jack having a son just might have been Hurley's way of keeping Jack happy while he is in the process of "letting go" and "moving on".


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  • #697
    RolandIRL
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    Jay Ru wrote: »
    Heres my problem bout the ending, if all the losties died at different times why are they all the same age as they were when they where on the island? Eliose was there in her ripe old age so why didn't those who lived longer than Jack age? And why was Claire pregnant? She'd given birth before she'd died right? It just makes no sense to me? Why did they all have different lives pre the flight in flash sideways, its like they changed them just to suit the outcome.

    the purgatory thing takes place at the time of Oceanic 815, the time when they all knew each other. so it makes sense that that's the way they'd see each other. they wouldn't recognise each other otherwise, i think.

    it's a version of their world where the island was destroyed when the nuclear bomb detonated (but not created at that time)...at least that's what i think it is anyway.


  • #698
    MisterAnarchy
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    Btw this thread is getting too big and needs to be split up ,47 pages :eek:


  • #699
    RolandIRL
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Btw this thread is getting too big and needs to be split up ,47 pages :eek:
    and not even 24 hours after the episode - some kind of record, methinks


  • #700
    Aldebaran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Aldebaran


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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Btw this thread is getting too big and needs to be split up ,47 pages :eek:

    I think it took my longer to read this thread than it did to watch the actual finale.


  • #701
    clikityclak
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    whiteman19 wrote: »
    Hurley and Ben didn't create the purgatory reality - Christian specifically said that it was a place they all created to find each other and move on into the light together.

    god so many people fail to hear that speech *sigh*
    it's shocking :eek:

    Fair enough.
    Although I hate when people are so patronising with their use of *sigh*

    *sigh*:pac:


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  • #702
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,373 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Jay Ru wrote: »
    Heres my problem bout the ending, if all the losties died at different times why are they all the same age as they were when they where on the island? Eliose was there in her ripe old age so why didn't those who lived longer than Jack age? And why was Claire pregnant? She'd given birth before she'd died right? It just makes no sense to me? Why did they all have different lives pre the flight in flash sideways, its like they changed them just to suit the outcome.

    As a stand alone ep it was pretty good tv a bit over the top in places with the love buzz but as far as the finalle of the so called "Greatest TV show ever made" it was an epic FAIL. With the exception of the flashbacks during the realisastions there was absolutely no reference to any of the seasons that went before. Everybody is banging on about how its great to see the character archs come to a head, they all died folks? Wud you of been happy if the flash sideways was the actually reality and they all committed suicide at the end? Its basically the same outcome.

    Did they answer any of the major mysteries?

    Am i right thinking the producers of Lost came up with end date and not the studios?

    There is no time in purgatory - it is just a perception.


  • #703
    tok9
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    I wish i could have posted earlier but with work and gym now I'm relaxing

    An absolutely perfect way to go. I've actually been thinking about it all day, couldn't concentrate in work, just kept humming the score when Locke gets out of his wheelchair. Absolutely love it. Amazingly the more i think about it the more i love it.

    Vincent is just unreal.. I saw the clip from the times interview and when MIB says a dogs been here, i was never more delighted.

    2 disappointing things. Walt didn't show up even though Carlton said he would!? and slight disappointment that Kate finished off MIB with a bullet, would have preferred if Jack Knifed him i think but still loved it.

    Pretty much everything has been said so the only think i want to say is on rewatch I'd say season 6 will get a lot more praise as a whole. I thoroughly enjoyable season.

    Now must make a list of my favourite episodes, finales and seasons. Lost discussion is difinitely not over yet.

    10/10


  • #704
    Greener
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Greener


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    Absolute DIRT. Huge lost fan for the last six years. Was waiting all through the finale for SOMETHING to happen, anything like!! Wanted a big mad cliffhanger or some crazy twist, the kind of thing that kept lost fans like me glued to their tvs all through the series. Just still in a bit of shock so cant really say much more now. So very disappointed.


  • #705
    seadnamac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Christian did make a distinction. First he said Jack had died (so when he was talking to him in the 'FST' Jack was dead) and said the time on the island was the most important of his LIFE.

    He then went on to say 'this place' is where they all made to move on together.

    I don't see that as that much of a distinction. He said EVERYTHING was real, this should include everything that we saw happen in the FST. If everything that happened when he was dead is just as real as everything that happened when he was alive, then like I said the line between the two becomes blurry.


  • #706
    seadnamac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


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    Jay Ru wrote: »
    Heres my problem bout the ending, if all the losties died at different times why are they all the same age as they were when they where on the island? Eliose was there in her ripe old age so why didn't those who lived longer than Jack age? And why was Claire pregnant? She'd given birth before she'd died right? It just makes no sense to me? Why did they all have different lives pre the flight in flash sideways, its like they changed them just to suit the outcome.

    As a stand alone ep it was pretty good tv a bit over the top in places with the love buzz but as far as the finalle of the so called "Greatest TV show ever made" it was an epic FAIL. With the exception of the flashbacks during the realisastions there was absolutely no reference to any of the seasons that went before. Everybody is banging on about how its great to see the character archs come to a head, they all died folks? Wud you of been happy if the flash sideways was the actually reality and they all committed suicide at the end? Its basically the same outcome. And not a hint of what Cecil's actually was capabilities where if they got off the island? And as far as they "Flashes" being the twist at the end of the series, didn't they do that at the end of the 3rd series?

    Did they answer any of the major mysteries?

    Am i right thinking the producers of Lost came up with end date and not the studios?

    Don't say that too loudly in here you'll be told to go away and watch the Hills and that you should be hit with the stupid stick.


  • #707
    Mitch Connor
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    seadnamac wrote: »
    I don't see that as that much of a distinction. He said EVERYTHING was real, this should include everything that we saw happen in the FST. If everything that happened when he was dead is just as real as everything that happened when he was alive, then like I said the line between the two becomes blurry.

    well, if you take it that reality is what you perceive then everything that happened in purgatory is real - in a way. They still have conciousness, they still have feelings, they still interact. it isn't really fake. Being in hell would be real, being in heaven would be real, being in purgatory was real - for them. It is not the same reality that we experience as we live, but it is another stage or life, another stage or reality.

    If you believe in heaven, hell, purgatory and life after death to begin with.

    The line is blurred, i suppose, by your philosophy on life.

    There is, imo, a distinction between what happened on the island, and what happened in the 'FST'. One happened before they died, the other happened after. Whether you want to argue one was reality and the other was not, is a separate issue


  • #708
    Jay Ru
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    There is no time in purgatory - it is just a perception.

    i know theres no time in purgatory but Eloise, Miles Dad, Dengen, where all old before they died, and appeared to be the same age in Puratory, it makes no sense that the Losties wud go back to the age they where on island if they died after the finale. These people where so important to each other in live that they created their own afterlife with each other surely they'd recoginise each other if they where older then they where when they last seen each other.


  • #709
    Aldebaran
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    'I was shot by a fatman' :D

    Re-watching on RTE2 now and I just laughed out loud at that line from Charlie.

    When you think about it, Lost had some really great comedic moments in it. I've just realised how much I'm gonna miss this show... ah crap, I'm upset now :(


  • #710
    Jay Ru
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    seadnamac wrote: »
    Don't say that too loudly in here you'll be told to go away and watch the Hills and that you should be hit with the stupid stick.

    What ever will i do!


  • #711
    RolandIRL
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    Jay Ru wrote: »
    i know theres no time in purgatory but Eloise, Miles Dad, Dengen, where all old before they died, and appeared to be the same age in Puratory, it makes no sense that the Losties wud go back to the age they where on island if they died after the finale. These people where so important to each other in live that they created their own afterlife with each other surely they'd recoginise each other if they where older then they where when they last seen each other.
    it's the age they all spent with each other at the time of the plane crash (which is when purgatory begins - in a sense)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66047738&postcount=697


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  • #712
    Sherifu
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    One of the biggest mysteries last night was where did they suddenly find a roll of duct tape to fix the plane?


  • #713
    Aids By Google
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    I peed in my pants a little.


  • #714
    dubrov
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    I can't imagine they'll make another show like it again.

    Con me once, shame on you but try and con me twice, shame on me!


  • #715
    iggy
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    Really enjoyed the finale.

    Will defo miss Lost

    10/10

    ps Kate loooked sweet :D:D


  • #716
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    Just watching it on RTE again. Surprised that Locke's body remained there when the Monster died. After all Locke's body by that stage was also buried so essentially we had two bodies of Locke. Would have been better if he had turned into smoke after being thrown off the cliff.


  • #717
    the_monkey
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    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    Just watching it on RTE again. Surprised that Locke's body remained there when the Monster died. After all Locke's body by that stage was also buried so essentially we had two bodies of Locke. Would have been better if he had turned into smoke after being thrown off the cliff.


    good point, we can add it to the massive pile of unanswered questions,
    blatant contradictions and all round bollix that has ruined the show.


  • #718
    darragh666
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    Great finale. I was a little confused and let down with the last 20 minutes at first but upon reflection I think it worked really well.

    Only complaint is the absence of Mr Eko. I hear he wanted too much money.


  • #719
    bucks777
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    an epic ending to an epic show...thought i disliked it this morning but as the day wore on i just realised i disliked the fact that we'll never see lost again,the more i think about it and read here the more the ending has grown on me,it really was a show based on many different and interesting characters and quite fitting that the ending prioritized this,fair enough some questions about jacob/island/dharma unanswered but hey it is lost after all they werent going to leave everything wrapped up nicely!!looking forward to watching the box set from the start,season 1 and 2 were tremendous viewing!!


  • #720
    Jay Ru
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    whiteman19 wrote: »
    it's the age they all spent with each other at the time of the plane crash (which is when purgatory begins - in a sense)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66047738&postcount=697

    why did the purgatory start then?


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  • #721
    RolandIRL
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    Jay Ru wrote: »
    why did the purgatory start then?
    it was their way of finding each other after each of them had died so they could move on into the light together. they created (i don't know how, but what's another mystery?) their purgatory to do this

    Christian said that nobody does this alone. Jack needed them and they needed Jack. they all moved on together.


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