The ignorance of some people

Sykk · 24-05-2010 05:54PM #1

I was having an argument with my father the other day about the war in Afghanistan. The only thing he had to say was "How would you like it if the fúcking yanks landed over here with tanks and machine guns." "Leave the poor farmers alone."

Then you've got the good oul' Lisbon treaty. I remember arguing with people voting yes as I asked them if they had any idea what it meant or what impact it would have on the country.. One guy in particular said to me "If we don't sign it, this country will hit another dark age."

There's so many things I could list. But what I'm saying is, a lot of people feel so strongly about something they know nothing about. It's everywhere.

/Discuss

TheZohanS · 24-05-2010 05:57PM

Your father seems sound.

Biggins · 24-05-2010 05:58PM

Aaa... ok!

Smart Bug · 24-05-2010 05:58PM

That's because people are stoopid.

Scarydoll · 24-05-2010 06:00PM

Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them ignorant.

Indubitable · 24-05-2010 06:00PM

your da is my new hero. Leave the farmers alone. lol

ItsAWindUp · 24-05-2010 06:01PM

Pity the Yanks wouldn't come over and sort out the farmers....

stupidusername · 24-05-2010 06:04PM

Sykk wrote: »

I was having an argument with my father the other day about the war in Afghanistan. The only thing he had to say was "How would you like it if the fúcking yanks landed over here with tanks and machine guns." "Leave the poor farmers alone."

Then you've got the good oul' Lisbon treaty. I remember arguing with people voting yes as I asked them if they had any idea what it meant or what impact it would have on the country.. One guy in particular said to me "If we don't sign it, this country will hit another dark age."

There's so many things I could list. But what I'm saying is, a lot of people feel so strongly about something they know nothing about. It's everywhere.

/Discuss

Tell your 'da' they're all opium farmers! That'll set him straight!

Seriously though, just because your dad disagrees with the yanks landin themselves over there without having a grasp on what it's actually about doesn't make him stupid, maybe ignorant though. But why not explain it to him rather than calling him ignorant. Or do you actually agree with the yanks??

questionmark? · 24-05-2010 06:04PM

Smart Bug wrote: »

That's because people are stoopid.

Yep.

If proof was needed

http://kpswa.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/jhr2.jpg

partyatmygaff · 24-05-2010 06:05PM

scareydoll wrote: »

Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them ignorant.

Well...

If someone made comments like that about the Afghanistan war then they definitley do not understand the reasons for the war. That's ignorance, not having a different opinion.

Scarydoll · 24-05-2010 06:09PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well...

If someone made comments like that about the Afghanistan war then they definitley do not understand the reasons for the war. That's ignorance, not having a different opinion.

We all know about the war in Afghanistan. Who are the casualties? Every day people, thats who. Maybe that's what he meant.

sherdydan · 24-05-2010 06:12PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well...

If someone made comments like that about the Afghanistan war then they definitley do not understand the reasons for the war. That's ignorance, not having a different opinion.

so tell us, what are the reasons for the war, in your opinion?

brummytom · 24-05-2010 06:16PM

sherdydan wrote: »

so tell us, what are the reasons for the war, in your opinion?

Oil.

Oh, we're not meant to say that are we?

sherdydan · 24-05-2010 06:17PM

brummytom wrote: »

Oil.

Oh, we're not meant to say that are we?

no brummy i agree with you!!! i just think it sounds like some people around believe that the U.S really went hunting for an old man in some caves on dialysis.....

El Siglo · 24-05-2010 06:18PM

I remember when I had just finished the first semester of first year in UCD and I got a call from my mother, whom was pretty angry with me over a wrong bus time or something equally petty. I, being the burgeoning academic that I was at the time told her to stop being "belligerent", with which she responded with; "I'm not ignorant", I said; "I didn't say ignorant, I said belligerent!". Then promptly hung up the phone.

Found out over that Christmas that she had rang my sister to find out what "belligerent" meant, she wasn't too impressed.:pac:

Merch · 24-05-2010 06:18PM

what are you trying to suggest about Afghanistan? you agree that its ok for NATO to be there and your DAD disagrees

On the whole I'd agree with your Dad, you think he's ignorant because he has a different opinion, maybe you are ignorant of the facts/real issues? what part of NATO being there do you think is right? a puppet Govt, killing innocent people and explaining it away as collateral damage? Maybe what the Taleban had as a Govt was no better in ways that we wouldn't agree with but who are we to impose our values?

Merch · 24-05-2010 06:20PM

El Siglo wrote: »

I remember when I had just finished the first semester of first year in UCD and I got a call from my mother, whom was pretty angry with me over a wrong bus time or something equally petty. I, being the burgeoning academic that I was at the time told her to stop being "belligerent", with which she responded with; "I'm not ignorant", I said; "I didn't say ignorant, I said belligerent!". Then promptly hung up the phone.

Found out over that Christmas that she had rang my sister to find out what "belligerent" meant, she wasn't too impressed.:pac:

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Pyr0 · 24-05-2010 06:21PM

brummytom wrote: »

Oil.

Oh, we're not meant to say that are we?

I'm pretty sure there's no Oil in Afganistan.

partyatmygaff · 24-05-2010 06:23PM

sherdydan wrote: »

so tell us, what are the reasons for the war, in your opinion?

To rid it of the Taliban who were supporting a terrorist organisation and were oppressing and harming their own people?

Check the thread in Cool Vids and Pics "Photos that shook the world" and you'll see exactly why the Taliban were removed from power.

El Siglo · 24-05-2010 06:23PM

Merch wrote: »

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A story about ignorance, and also it was my 1,740th post I didn't want it to be "Pics or GTFO"!:D

Nolanger · 24-05-2010 06:24PM

Sykk wrote: »

Then you've got the good oul' Lisbon treaty. I remember arguing with people voting yes as I asked them if they had any idea what it meant or what impact it would have on the country.. One guy in particular said to me "If we don't sign it, this country will hit another dark age."

They voted 'Yes' because of all those new jobs that will be created :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff · 24-05-2010 06:25PM

scareydoll wrote: »

We all know about the war in Afghanistan. Who are the casualties? Every day people, thats who. Maybe that's what he meant.

The casualties are people but that is war after all, it's not nice and it would have been better to not have to result to war but I doubt the Taliban would step down by any peaceful means. Would you rather the UN let the Taliban keep control of Afghanistan?

sherdydan · 24-05-2010 06:25PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

To rid it of the Taliban who were supporting a terrorist organisation and were oppressing and harming their own people?

Check the thread in Cool Vids and Pics "Photos that shook the world" and you'll see exactly why the Taliban were removed from power.

bollix, the population of afghanistan didnt particularly care, if they did they would have put up there own resistance, and there would be a hell of a lot more support for coalition troops then there is.

El Siglo · 24-05-2010 06:26PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

To rid it of the Taliban who were supporting a terrorist organisation and were oppressing and harming their own people?

Check the thread in Cool Vids and Pics "Photos that shook the world" and you'll see exactly why the Taliban were removed from power.

Yeh because Karzai and the Northern Alliance lads are sound out and don't rape, rob and murder their own people...

sherdydan · 24-05-2010 06:27PM

Nolanger wrote: »

They voted 'Yes' because of all those new jobs that will be created :rolleyes:

the no side were so right too!! The minimum wage is gonna drop to 2 euro an hour thanks to lisbon having been signed in/.... :rolleyes:

brummytom · 24-05-2010 06:29PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there's no Oil in Afganistan.

I didn't say there was any oil in Afghanistan.

There are both large oil and gas reserves directly north of Afghanistan.

In 1998, Dick Cheney, now US vice-president but then chief executive of a major oil services company, remarked: "I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian." But the oil and gas there is worthless until it is moved. The only route which makes both political and economic sense is through Afghanistan.

(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/23/afghanistan.terrorism11)

They also stated such a project would be impossible until there was a single leader in charge of the country.

And Bush had massive stakes in Oil companies. Now I'm not one to speculate...

stupidusername · 24-05-2010 06:29PM

Interesting article here

Merch · 24-05-2010 06:30PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there's no Oil in Afganistan.

Well, there may not be but there is around the Caspian sea, this was at one point touted as a reason for the US to control Afghanistan as a route that avoids Russia, Iran etc from what i read the oil/gas predicted to be in the Caspian didn't materialise, but who knows if this is true or not

partyatmygaff wrote: »

To rid it of the Taliban who were supporting a terrorist organisation and were oppressing and harming their own people?

Check the thread in Cool Vids and Pics "Photos that shook the world" and you'll see exactly why the Taliban were removed from power.

Hmmm, your Dad is ignorant?? you reckon? . The Taleban/Taliban were actually supported at one point by the US, they refused to hand over Bin Laden who was a guest, probably because they would lose face in the Muslim world (possibly), the US must have known this so it could have been a pretext to invade. So who was this terrorist organisation?? Al Quada? that name was coined by the US, Many Governments can be accused of oppressing and harming their own people??
I have to, need to ask really what age are you?

Pittens · 24-05-2010 06:32PM

The only thing he had to say was "How would you like it if the fúcking yanks landed over here with tanks and machine guns." "Leave the poor farmers alone."

Perfectly valid view.

Merch · 24-05-2010 06:39PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The casualties are people but that is war after all, it's not nice and it would have been better to not have to result to war but I doubt the Taliban would step down by any peaceful means. Would you rather the UN let the Taliban keep control of Afghanistan?

I'm interested to hear your reply? what or who an acceptable casualty?

stupidusername wrote: »

Interesting article here

Interesting

partyatmygaff · 24-05-2010 06:41PM

Merch wrote: »

Hmmm, your Dad is ignorant?? you reckon The Taleban/Taliban were actually supported at one point by the US, they refused to hand over Bin Laden who was a guest, probably because they would lose face in the Muslim world (possibly), the US must have known this so it could have been a pretext to invade. So who was this terrorist organisation?? Al Quada? that name was coined by the US, Many Governments can be accused of oppressing and harming their own people??
I have to, need to ask really what age are you?

What difference does it make? I made my point and that's all that matters.

Anyway, I never said anything about my Dad. This isn't my thread anyway. The mujhadeen were supported by the US to fight against the soviets, they did not support them for no reason. They refused to hand him over because they would lose face AND i'm fairly sure they were in full support of what he did. I have no idea where you heard that the US coined the name Al Qaeda but Osama Bin Laden himself was asked the origin of the name and as far as I remember it had something to do with a training camp early in the organisations beginnings. Many governments can be accused of oppressing their people, these governments must be removed from power to protect their people. What is wrong with that?

The ignorance of some people

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