[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

DingosAteMyBaby · 24-05-2010 03:43PM

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Gah can't believe the amount of people who didn't get it:p I thought they made it blatantly obvious that the flash sideways were purgatory... Did people not listen to Christians speech

Overall it was an absolutely beautiful episode, loved every minute of it.:)

Keano · 24-05-2010 03:43PM

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conanm wrote: »

i didn't particularly give a **** about the flash-sideways or whatever it you freaks call it

i've watched every episode of this and i just feel like a tool for justifying the choices made by writers early on. the end was nice enough but i honestly thought there was going to be a more eh... comprehensive reveal of what's going on with the island etc... i dunno.

i dunno.

i wish i never started watching lost.

Taken from here

One of the reasons I think "Lost" worked was that it was always more interested in the box and the person holding the box than what was in the box. A closed box is almost always a mystery, really, until you open it and see what's inside (which is how so many parents misdirect their kids on Christmas morning). All of the imitators of the show that have come along have focused far, far more on the contents of that box. They wanna shake it and hear if it rattles. They wanna pull back the wrapping paper and take a peek. "Lost" has always been satisfied to dump a package in your lap and think that's enough. Is it? Again, for me, absolutely. But if not for you, does the fact that you opened the box and didn't find what you wanted ruin the whole experience of the show, all of the fun you had along the way? It's not wrong to feel that way, not at all. But it probably does speak to the different kinds of people we are, and the different ways we react to art.

Which one are you?!

Basq · 24-05-2010 03:43PM

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kingcurls wrote: »

Just finished watching the episode again and i noticed something strange about the very very very last image of jacks eye closing....was it just me or was it the opening season one episode one first image of jack opening his eye in reverse..i mean the literal same video clip played backwards??

Did his pupils expand before his eye closed? Surely, there'd be your answer!

ziedth · 24-05-2010 03:43PM

Bulktohulk wrote: »

She wanted to spend time with her son. She was scared Desmond was going to take him with him,and she'd be left behind as she wasn't ready to move on yet.

Ah of course, very good

dbs_sailor · 24-05-2010 03:43PM

whiteman19 wrote: »

don't you realise that Lost is about the journey. when you read a book, you don't read it because the ending's good (it helps though), you read it because you enjoy the thrill of reading it piece by piece. Lost is like a novel. it's a good book. you expected the ending to be epic, and was massively let down because it wasn't as good as you hoped. don't let that one episode tarnish what you and Lost have shared for the last 6 years.
i was a bit disappointed as well, but i'm happy with the overall journey.

bra i get your point, but if lost was a book it'd read like a dan brown novel

cliffhangers. over and over and over. random shocking stuff at the end of the episode and a shocked look on someone's face with the signature lost violins doing their shrieking glissandi and then next week you tune in and there's no mention of what happened last week. you make a mental note but it's never addressed properly.

i'm not exactly lucid right now or being extremely specific but i think you know what i'm talking about.

the whole thing seems so cheap.

podgemonster · 24-05-2010 03:45PM

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ziedth wrote: »

One question though that I might have missed, why would daniels mother try and stop desmond in purgatory

I think it because in the real world she never allowed him to follow his passion for music and was essentially training him to be a scientist time traveller. This lead to his death; shot in the back by his mother.

In this 'place' she was able to raise her son the way she wanted and appreciate his talents and their time spent together. The Happily ever after episode showed the lengths she went to to keep him happy so much that Charles dare not cross her.

Unlike the other Losties Eloise chose not to let go. She wanted a Daniel a little while longer, though it probably would only be a matter of time before he hooked up with Charlotte.

Star Lord · 24-05-2010 03:45PM

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kingcurls wrote: »

Just finished watching the episode again and i noticed something strange about the very very very last image of jacks eye closing....was it just me or was it the opening season one episode one first image of jack opening his eye in reverse..i mean the literal same video clip played backwards??

No, I was watching that too, but if it was, we'd see his pupil dilate, which it didn't.

DingosAteMyBaby · 24-05-2010 03:45PM

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Also, don't know if this was posted before, but have a look at this redux... ya know... if it was a bit hard for you to understand;)

http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182522_lost_redux_see_you_in_another_life.html

kingcurls · 24-05-2010 03:49PM

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DamoElDiablo wrote: »

No, I was watching that too, but if it was, we'd see his pupil dilate, which it didn't.

Just watched it again its something about the way his eye closes lookes like reversed film but the pupil could have been altered with graphics or something...or maybe i should drop drop it and move on :P

#Daniel · 24-05-2010 03:50PM

Just watched it, here is my theory...

The island was real. Jack, Sayid, Sun, Jin and everyone else who died in the 6 seasons all died on it. Hurley protected it along with Ben. "You made a good number two" and "You were a great number 1" implied they protected the island for a long time after.

Also, when Kate said "I've missed you for a very long time", to me that implied that the rest of the people on the plane actually did make it off the island and lived their lives after.

Because they all preserved the Light, it was left there for them to go to eventually after it was time for them to die. The afterlife has no sense of time. They all met up after their deaths, to move on/go to heaven/whatever.

Marcaiocht_Tonn · 24-05-2010 03:50PM

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kingcurls wrote: »

Just finished watching the episode again and i noticed something strange about the very very very last image of jacks eye closing....was it just me or was it the opening season one episode one first image of jack opening his eye in reverse..i mean the literal same video clip played backwards??

I noticed something odd there as well, as though the footage was slightly jerky or something...

Basq · 24-05-2010 03:51PM

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Tweet from Carlton Cuse after the episode aired last night:

Remember. Let go. Move on. I will miss it more than I can ever say.

dbs_sailor · 24-05-2010 03:51PM

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Taken from here

Which one are you?!

nice read.

problem with lost season 6/the ending/maybe the whole series(?) is that in the end, it doesn't generate any conversation or thought in me. it is what it is, i guess. but when there's no one single great direction or someone who's thought everything through at the head or as part of a writing team - right there i stop paying attention.

i think i found that out around season 3 or something? i forget.

i'll forgive countless bad endings/stupid twists etc.. if someone has thought the whole thing through from the start - but it's often abundantly evident throughout the series when they're copping out or really crudely explaining stuff that was previously a massive mystery or generally making **** up as they go.

i know you guys hear this all the time, probably, but if they'd the decisions about the plot from the start instead of focusing on adding some cool element to the story in the form of a big cliffhanger at the end of the shows i'd be much more satisfied. then again maybe i'm displaying my ignorance (with regard to the way the writing was done) and i'd research it to have a better take on it but i refuse to clock in more time at lostapedia or whatever that site was or even reading through the old threads here.

lost has wasted enough of my time.

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 03:54PM

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does anyone else think that the time-travel in the 5th season was a bit pointless? i liked it but what was the overall purpose of it all? as far as i can tell, all it did was give a little background into the island (like how ben became a bit of a bollix) but it didn't really have an impact in the 6th season (besides a few comments from Miles

)

opr · 24-05-2010 03:54PM

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I haven't looked up the two scenes but I did read that its the opposite eye which he opens to which he closes.

Opr

seadnamac · 24-05-2010 03:56PM

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JDee wrote: »

Its not an interpretation. Anyone who watched this and thought the island timeline was purgatory should stick to The Hills. End of story.

And shame on the 30 or so people who have marked this 1 out of ten. You didnt deserve this show for the past 6 years.

Look, Jesus, it's just opinions. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're an idiot who should stick to the f*cking Hills. And I didn't mark it 1 out of f*cking 10 either.

I disagree. Shoot me. I think it's clear (Sopranos spoiler)

Tony Soprano gets killed at the end of the The Sopranos

, other people don't. I wouldn't belittle them.

And just for the record I'm not one of the people looking for something to say it was all a dream/purgatory so I can say it was a crap ending. At this stage I'd almost prefer if it was, because then they would have actaully addressed the whole six seasons with that reveal and not just some boring sh*te they didn't bring in until the final season.

podgemonster · 24-05-2010 03:58PM

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@whiteman19
Time travel allowed the real Locke to travel forward in time where Flocke would send Richard to tell him that in order to bring the Oceanic 6 back to the island he would have to die.
Thus causing Locke to nearly hang himself.

It also was really useful when a number of 815 extras needed to be written out.

It also gave us a greater insight to pre-darma times, Widmore and Eloise motives also.

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 04:00PM

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opr wrote: »

I haven't looked up the two scenes but I did read that its the opposite eye which he opens to which he closes.

Opr

looked up the two scenes and it's not the same AFAIK.
his pupil doesn't dilate like in the pilot a Jack in The End has a bleed under his left eye, and it's farther down in the pilot.
just looking at it now, it seems like his pupil is a darker colour in The End than in the pilot.

DingosAteMyBaby · 24-05-2010 04:01PM

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seadnamac wrote: »

Look, Jesus, it's just opinions. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're an idiot who should stick to the f*cking Hills. And I didn't mark it 1 out of f*cking 10 either.

I disagree. Shoot me. I think it's clear (Sopranos spoiler)
Tony Soprano gets killed at the end of the The Sopranos
, other people don't. I wouldn't belittle them.

And just for the record I'm not one of the people looking for something to say it was all a dream/purgatory so I can say it was a crap ending. At this stage I'd almost prefer if it was, because then they would have actaully addressed the whole six seasons with that reveal and not just some boring sh*te they didn't bring in until the final season.

Just have an ol' read if this, i think its pretty clear

http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182522_lost_redux_see_you_in_another_life.html

seadnamac · 24-05-2010 04:01PM

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whiteman19 wrote: »

does anyone else think that the time-travel in the 5th season was a bit pointless? i liked it but what was the overall purpose of it all? as far as i can tell, all it did was give a little background into the island (like how ben became a bit of a bollix) but it didn't really have an impact in the 6th season (besides a few comments from Miles )

Man, the first five seasons could be said to have been pointless for all the relevance they have had to the last.

Cue abuse.

Marcaiocht_Tonn · 24-05-2010 04:02PM

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The time travel formed a series of closed loops that connected characters and events that otherwise couldn't have taken place (best example being the above by Podgemonster). Though one loop left open, for example, was the outrigger shootout. Another good closed one was the reason Richard went to visit young-Locke was because time-travelling old-Locke visited him in 1954 and said he would be their leader etc etc.

As well as that, it was also damn cool

I'm probably using the term "closed/open-loop" incorrectly here, but it makes it sound like I know about time travel and therefore more intelligent than I really am.

requiem1 · 24-05-2010 04:02PM

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opr wrote: »

I haven't looked up the two scenes but I did read that its the opposite eye which he opens to which he closes.

Opr

had a quick google images search and i think its the same eye he opens and closes but not sure

astrofool · 24-05-2010 04:02PM

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whiteman19 wrote: »

does anyone else think that the time-travel in the 5th season was a bit pointless? i liked it but what was the overall purpose of it all? as far as i can tell, all it did was give a little background into the island (like how ben became a bit of a bollix) but it didn't really have an impact in the 6th season (besides a few comments from Miles )

I think the 5th season was the dharma season, filling in what happened on the Island before them, how the hatch came to be, what type of crazy stuff Dharma were up to, and the angst between Dharma and the others.

I think it's a pity that the H-Bomb didn't seem to be a change the timeline, but a continuation, Faraday seemed to be wrong on this. It also renders last seasons cliffhanger redundant. Looking back, being more bold in this area, and changing the timeline literally could have made a great season, and not needed the Jacob/MIB subplot.

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 04:04PM

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seadnamac wrote: »

Man, the first five seasons could be said to have been pointless for all the relevance they have had to the last.

Cue abuse.

*HUGE ABUSE* - edited for the children's sake

i just hoped that they'd mention it and make good use of the fact in the 6th season but as i've been saying, it's all about the journey. it just seems like they dropped it fairly quick.
they just forget about it in the next episode.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 24-05-2010 04:07PM

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i absolutely ****ing loved it, i had just about forgiven the writers for every unsolved mystery and was accepting that it was all 'about the characters

up until the last ten minutes

****
You
Lost

jesus christ
that was horrible

opr · 24-05-2010 04:08PM

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requiem1 wrote: »

had a quick google images search and i think its the same eye he opens and closes but not sure

Your right I looked them up on youtube and they are both the same eye. It would be cool if it was the same footage played back but they look very different and I couldn't see any evidence of it.

Opr

ibFoxer · 24-05-2010 04:09PM

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kingcurls wrote: »

Implied? yes throughout the whole episode

Clearly stated? Yes

The following is direct quotes from the episode:
Jack: "i dont understand, you died"
Christian: "yes i did"
Jack: "Then how are you here right now"
Christian: "*sigh* how are you here?"
Jack: "I died too"
......................
......................
Jack: "Are you real?"
Christian: "I hope so.....You're real, everything thats ever happened to you is real, those people in the church, they're all real"
Jack: "They're all dead?"
Christian:"Everyone dies son....some of them before you, some long after you"
Jack: "are they all here now"
Christian :"well there is no now...here"
.....................
.....................
Christian: "this is a place that you all made together so that you could find one another....the most important part of your life was the time that you spent with those people"

So if they all died in episode one...the most important time of jacks life was spent on a flight from sydney to the bottom of the ocean?

There you go can we stop arguing now? Island all real and flash sideways all purgatory...END OF STORY

+1 to this. TBH i got it straight away. Imo this is honestly the best resolution to the entire story. I feel that it is more important we understand HOW the lostees got where they were going, as oppossed to WHERE they ended up, the journey being more important than the destination.

Seems funny however that you could potentially watch seasons 1, 5 & 6 and understand the story as well as if you watched 1 through 6 (including the mobisodes, which i feel serve as integral a part of the overall story as the broadcast did). Then again, as i understand it, the original idea was for no more than 3 or 4 seasons, and naturally the networks wanted to milk it for all it was worth, hence the filler.

Overall, i give LOST a 9/10. Best near decade i will ever have, and i would imagine that it will be a long time before a TV show comes along that has this kind of impact and effect on people again.

Thank you Darlton (& JJ) for a series which has introduced us to some of the best characters ever seen on television, and has captured the imaginations of people the world over and kept us all guessing to the very end.

Namaste

seadnamac · 24-05-2010 04:11PM

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DingosAteMyBaby wrote: »

Just have an ol' read if this, i think its pretty clear

http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182522_lost_redux_see_you_in_another_life.html

Believe it or not that keeps crashing my laptop! But anyway, like I said I'm not saying that it may not be the case, or that even that I'm convinced that the island is purgatory, I'm just saying that it's open to interpretation. Is that not acceptable? I could give you links that go through the final episode of the Soprano to show 'clearly' that

Tony is dead

. Others disagree, they have their reasons, fair enough.

requiem1 · 24-05-2010 04:13PM

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opr wrote: »

Your right I looked them up on youtube and they are both the same eye. It would be cool if it was the same footage played back but they look very different and I couldn't see any evidence of it.

Opr

Yeah but the question still remains what was the reflection in Jack's eye in the first season? I think people said it was the black smoke initially...maybe it was the plane flying overhead after all

DingosAteMyBaby · 24-05-2010 04:17PM

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seadnamac wrote: »

Believe it or not that keeps crashing my laptop! But anyway, like I said I'm not saying that it may not be the case, or that even that I'm convinced that the island is purgatory, I'm just saying that it's open to interpretation. Is that not acceptable? I could give you links that go through the final episode of the Soprano to show 'clearly' that
Tony is dead
. Others disagree, they have their reasons, fair enough.

weird about the link

Well yes, feel free to interpet it as you wish...:)

even though it's blatantly obvious that the island wasn't purgatory and you are probably too stubborn to admit it now, but inside, you have realised that you are clearly wrong:P

[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]