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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • #272
    Basq
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    Woke up at 6.45.. put on a pot of coffee and started it, and I absolutely loved it!

    I found the final scene mirroring the beginning of the show with a wry smile from Jack with seeing the plane fly overhead was the perfect way to end the show.

    At the end of the day, this is a show about the characters. I loved these characters - carefully constructed although flawed, and the church scene was the perfect send-off to the series. Seeing all these characters who had intense relationship in the series but have been apart for so long interact - Charlie and Claire, Juliet and Sawyer etc.

    The first half with Locke Vs Jack had some truly epic moments. Giacchino's music over the opening, and closing scene particularly, was absolutely pitch perfect. Jack and Locke squaring up to each other on the hill and the dialogue exchange had me giddy like a school-girl. The superb nods to past scene like Sawyer referring to the Long Con and Jack and Locke staring into the heart of the island, akin to the closer of season 1 with them staring into the hatch. There seemed to be plenty of nods to the fans / regular viewers who've stuck with the show.

    The second half seemed to a bit more hap-hazard.. enjoyable but I found the first half to be perfectly structured and paced. The reunions of various characters who have been long-apart made the second half massively emotional and enjoyable.

    At the end of the day, it's a fitting resolution to a series I've loved. Yes, I've had problems with it (the last season mainly) but minor quibbles to the honest.

    Saying the ending ruined 6 years is f*cking ridiculous.. the show provided you with hours of entertainment and you're willing to piss that away and whine simply because you didn't like the resolution or the final 10 minutes. Get over it!

    I don't regularly give 10's but I was hugely satisfied with the finale.. which I didn't expect as I've problems with the final season.. so this gets a 10 from me.

    Kudos to the writers and the cast. It's been a hugely enjoyable 6 years, and I'm really gonna miss it! :(

    PS - I did find it odd that Carlton said in the 'Times Talk LIVE' interview (superb viewing if you haven't seen it - an hour and 50 minutes long) that we'd see Walt. But we didn't..!


  • #273
    requiem1
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    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Random thoughts...

    The cut on Jacks neck in "purgatory" which keeps bleeding was obviously caused by Lockes knife during the final battle. That's clear now. Without watching either episode, when Jack was stabbed by Locke, is it anywhere near the "appendix scar" which Jack notices at the start of the season?

    It's interesting that, at the very end when the church is flooded by the light (which is the same as the light from the Island), it's at the same time when Jack closed his eye. Then, the scene is exactly the same as when he woke at the start of the very first episode.

    There is no way that he just so happened to die in the very same area in the very same position while Vincent just so happened to be in the area. I think there is somthing to this. Did Jacks spirit go from his soul back to his body lying on the ground at the start of season 1.

    Hmmm...won't be a productive day in work!

    Part of what you said I was wondering as well, because do you remember when Jacob and Smokey were sitting down on the beach and there was the black rock in the distance at sea, and smokey said they come on island and it begins all over again. I was wondering when he was lying down if it was some sort of circle of life story, as in would they return to the beginning when they moved on?


  • #274
    waltersobchak
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    leedsfan88 wrote: »
    it wasn't purgatory as it was said, it was created by the people themselves to met up before moving on to the "afterlife"

    I'd call that purgatory man


  • #275
    astrofool
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    Was that Abaddon walking a dog in one of the FST scenes (someone is looking down at the street).

    Ben has just been reconnecting with Alex and her mother, so didn't want to move on yet. Faraday/Charlotte still need to reconnect before they move on.

    The only question I have really is what the nuke did, was it solely to move them forward in time, or did it create the alt timeline as Faraday alluded to. Oh, and what happened to all of Widmore's people, his mini army kind of disappeared.


  • #276
    dclifford
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    "IF" the church ending was purgatory then I think Ben stayed outside because he was not going to the same place as the rest of them. I think he was waiting for the fire and brimstone. Ben was bad, Bad people don't go to heaven.

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



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  • #277
    requiem1
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    astrofool wrote: »
    Was that Abaddon walking a dog in one of the FST scenes (someone is looking down at the street).

    Ben has just been reconnecting with Alex and her mother, so didn't want to move on yet. Faraday/Charlotte still need to reconnect before they move on.

    The only question I have really is what the nuke did, was it solely to move them forward in time, or did it create the alt timeline as Faraday alluded to. Oh, and what happened to all of Widmore's people, his mini army kind of disappeared.

    i don't think it created an alternate timeline, i think it just stopped the skipping and allowed them to live on on the island. I'd say the writers toyed with the idea of using the flash sideways as a second universe but probably just went with the purgatory storyline in the end to wrap it up without needing excessive explanation.

    I think his people were killed by smokey or just lived on on the island


  • #278
    Foxtrol
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    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/lost-if-you-come-with-me-ill-show-you-what-i-mean.html

    The best review of the Finale and Series that I've read so far.


  • #279
    Daysha
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    dclifford wrote: »
    "IF" the church ending was purgatory then I think Ben stayed outside because he was not going to the same place as the rest of them. I think he was waiting for the fire and brimstone. Ben was bad, Bad people don't go to heaven.

    Ben did bad things, but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad person. Think of all the **** some of the people inside that church did, countless murders, betrayals etc, but they had learned from their flaws and moved on. Ben didn't feel he was quite there yet so he stayed outside. Like mentioned above, he'll probably want to hang around with the Rousseau's more. And when he does and he'll feel he can truly forgive himself and move on from his past failings, then he'll go inside.


  • #280
    zonad
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    I feel a bit short changed to be honest.

    I was under the impression the finale was gonna be 2 and a half hours long...

    I watched it on Sky 1 and it felt like 2 hours with ads.

    Where'd the 30 minutes go?


  • #281
    Basq
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    zonad wrote: »
    I feel a bit short changed to be honest.

    I was under the impression the finale was gonna be 2 and a half hours long...

    I watched it on Sky 1 and it felt like 2 hours with ads.

    Where'd the 30 minutes go?
    Well.. the run-time was 2.5 hours but you have to factor in ads.

    The actual finale running time was only an hour and 45 minutes give or take.


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  • #282
    zonad
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    basquille wrote: »
    Well.. the run-time was 2.5 hours but you have to factor in ads.

    The actual finale running time was only an hour and 45 minutes give or take.

    I guess Sky 1 didn't show as many adverts as they did on U.S. TV


  • #283
    Star Lord
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    Oh, and something that just dawned on me... When Des hit Locke with his car, he knew he wouldn't kill him as Des knew at that stage that it was just a purgatory/limbo type place.


  • #284
    Average-Ro
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    So Jack had the cut on his neck in the FS because it was nicked by Locke's knife....

    Should Kate not have been going around with a hole in her shoulder in the FS as well seeing as she was shot in the Original timeline?


    EDIT: Oh, and why was Penny in the Church at the end? The only person she had a proper connection to was Desmond. I don't think she ever set foot on the Island even.


  • #285
    Marcaiocht_Tonn
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    Well, what to say? All in all, a flawed, beautiful masterpiece.

    I enjoyed every second of the episode right until the end. Then a moment of horror as I mis-called it and thought both island and FST were "purgatory". Rage, disappointment, confusion. Then stopped and thought for a second. Hurley/Ben interaction vis a vis number1 and number2 clinched it. Then I realised the genius, and fell to my knees in reverence - not to the writers, but to a phenomenal outcome for my favourite bunch of characters, on so many levels.

    Right, of course there were problems. I disliked MIB's end, I'd like to have seen that battle a bit more prolonged. I feel pity for him that he was finished off by Kate off all people :D.

    But otherwise, these are a set of characters that I've invested emotion in for 6 years. So as others have admitted here, I was in tears at plenty of times throughout this episode. Don't even get me started on the various reunions/realisations of love etc.
    Jack dying among the bamboos, at his original starting point, with Vincent at his side was actually too much for me. As someone else has said, Vincent FOR THE WIN. A character that people loved to hate, he was the tragic hero to end all tragic heroes (Jack, not Vincent).

    Him meeting his dad in the church was the greatest link-up of the whole show, forget the Adam and Eve bodies. His grief over his father was a theme from the get-go. Seeing all these people who had lost loved ones and then meet them again in "purgatory"* evoked profound feelings in me that I'm sure many others felt too - perhaps people who have lost a loved one, and crave to see them again in another place. I certainly wept over real people that I've lost as I watched this episode, and no other tv show has created that reaction in me. In that context, though I wanted answers too, I suddently didn't give a fcuk about the unsolved myseteries etc. They were a fascinating backdrop against which this intense drama unfolded, and will provide questions long after the Losties have "moved on" (we should probably take a leaf out of their book actually ;)).

    Otherwise, the characters and their struggle was what this show was really about.

    I'm actually surprised at myself at how strongly I felt for all these characters, and whatever flaws you find with the story, you cannot fault the writers on creating an ensemble of people that were extremely compelling to watch for 6 years. And let's face it, they experienced an intensity of adventure and a bond that we all secretly, or overtly, desire. Like I've mentioned in another post, I often daydream of being stranded on an island and how I'd get on with other survivors etc., so this show was pure candy to me.

    Man, so so much more I need to express over this episode, but my post is too long already.

    *For want of a better word.


  • #286
    opr
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    Emotionally it was fantastic but I think I am going to have big problems with it when I can look at it in the cold light of day.

    I mean I have no problem with the suspension of reality and leaving stuff in the realm of magic and fantasy but things that don't make sense due to what looks like bad story telling or blind alleys that aren't explained I will have a major problem with.

    Maybe someone can help me out as just one that popped into my head was Walt. Why was he made out to be so special ?

    Opr


  • #287
    Stuxnet
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    ive been a huge fan over the years, but i feel totally robbed by this, **** writing, **** acting and **** cgi, terrible ending to a great show,

    maybe i need to re-watch or go read some in depth analysis and catch what went over my head, i'm gutted


  • #288
    prinz
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    opr wrote: »
    Maybe someone can help me out as just one that popped into my head was Walt. Why was he made out to be so special ?

    He was a really weird kid. The others appreciated weird kids from a scientific testing point of view. That was basically it.


  • #289
    stevoman
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    Just throwing this theory out there, but could it be possible that they all died from the minute that the plane hit the island and every single event on the island and the flash sideways etc and all the charachters from then on, that were introduced along the way, were all just a way that all the "survivors" collectivly created so they could eventually be all on the same harmonious page that they could all go the afterlife together.

    My opinion - at first a little dissapointed like i was with the sopranos, but now that it has all sunk in i have only one word. EPIC!

    Thanks to the makers for lost for many great and wonderful hours of rollercoasting tv. They have left a void that i think will be very very hard to fill.


  • #290
    storm2811
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    They were all in limbo?
    Fail!

    I stopped watching after the first series,after that I think they were just dragging it out imo..
    Although the ending might've been crap it kinda makes sense,what was everyone else expecting?


  • #291
    Basq
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    opr wrote: »
    Maybe someone can help me out as just one that popped into my head was Walt. Why was he made out to be so special
    I'll let the Darlton take this one..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnm81zlBhLE


    45 seconds in..


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  • #292
    Star Lord
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/lost-if-you-come-with-me-ill-show-you-what-i-mean.html

    The best review of the Finale and Series that I've read so far.

    This sums up Lost, and every one of us that watched it very succinctly IMHO:

    "One of the reasons I think "Lost" worked was that it was always more interested in the box and the person holding the box than what was in the box. A closed box is almost always a mystery, really, until you open it and see what's inside (which is how so many parents misdirect their kids on Christmas morning). All of the imitators of the show that have come along have focused far, far more on the contents of that box. They wanna shake it and hear if it rattles. They wanna pull back the wrapping paper and take a peek. "Lost" has always been satisfied to dump a package in your lap and think that's enough. Is it? Again, for me, absolutely. But if not for you, does the fact that you opened the box and didn't find what you wanted ruin the whole experience of the show, all of the fun you had along the way? It's not wrong to feel that way, not at all. But it probably does speak to the different kinds of people we are, and the different ways we react to art."


  • #293
    FutureGuy
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    Just a thought. From my point of view, there are 2 main ways to look at LOST.

    Looking at it from a scientific point of view, the entire series could have been a figment of the imagination of a dying man who landed in a bamboo field after suffering horrific injuries as a result of a plane crash.

    Looking at it from a faith point of view, the entire series was about the fact that the island protected a light which seemed to be linked to all that is good in the world, and that there is an afterlife where we can meet with the important people in our life after we all die.

    Science vs Faith.


  • #294
    The Rook
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    storm2811 wrote: »
    They were all in limbo?
    Fail!

    I stopped watching after the first series,after that I think they were just dragging it out imo..
    Although the ending might've been crap it kinda makes sense,what was everyone else expecting?


    Oh dear Lord .. .you stopped after Series 1 and then misunderstand the fact that they weren't in limbo (what happened on the island really happened) and the only part that they were all dead in was the church part, which wasn't purgatory, but a place they created together to move on together.

    Anyone else notice the different windows of the stained glass window in the church that had the symbols of different religions on it...one of them was a wheel (very similar to the wheel that moved the island) ...anyone know if that's really a religious symbol or if the Lost creators just threw it in there as a "nod" to the wheel from the island?


  • #295
    Marcaiocht_Tonn
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    I think it's fairly clear now that everything that happened on the Island was real and mattered immensely to the physical world and its people, and that the FST "purgatory" is taking place x number of years in the future (where x = how long the last person to die lived, maybe).

    So to the people who just watched season 1 and keep popping in to say "Fail", it was all limbo all along, or Jack's hallucination 10 seconds before he died, or that Vincent imagined the whole thing in a dog-dream, you need to read back and analyze the finale.


  • #296
    Basq
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    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    This sums up Lost, and every one of us that watched it very succinctly IMHO:

    "One of the reasons I think "Lost" worked was that it was always more interested in the box and the person holding the box than what was in the box. A closed box is almost always a mystery, really, until you open it and see what's inside (which is how so many parents misdirect their kids on Christmas morning). All of the imitators of the show that have come along have focused far, far more on the contents of that box. They wanna shake it and hear if it rattles. They wanna pull back the wrapping paper and take a peek. "Lost" has always been satisfied to dump a package in your lap and think that's enough. Is it? Again, for me, absolutely. But if not for you, does the fact that you opened the box and didn't find what you wanted ruin the whole experience of the show, all of the fun you had along the way? It's not wrong to feel that way, not at all. But it probably does speak to the different kinds of people we are, and the different ways we react to art."
    Yep.. it's this paragraph that makes me remember why JJ Abrams had such an interest in the show.

    JJ Abrams: The Mystery Box


  • #297
    Handsome Bob
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    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Just a thought. From my point of view, there are 2 main ways to look at LOST.

    Looking at it from a scientific point of view, the entire series could have been a figment of the imagination of a dying man who landed in a bamboo field after suffering horrific injuries as a result of a plane crash.

    Looking at it from a faith point of view, the entire series was about the fact that the island protected a light which seemed to be linked to all that is good in the world, and that there is an afterlife where we can meet with the important people in our life after we all die.

    Science vs Faith.

    That's one hell of a long, complex story with detailed character backgrounds that he dreamt up there. :pac:


  • #298
    ixoy
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    I think it's quite simple:

    For those who wanted plot answers and mythology resolutions: Finale failed.

    For those who wanted character and their stories and lives resolved: Finale succeed big time.

    I wanted a bit of both so was pretty happy, but would like more answers as to what exactly happened with many of the plot threads.


  • #299
    Star Lord
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    FutureGuy wrote: »
    ...the entire series could have been a figment of the imagination of a dying man who landed in a bamboo field after suffering horrific injuries as a result of a plane crash.

    Apart from his injuries and clothing being completely different too...


  • #300
    Star Lord
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    ixoy wrote: »
    I think it's quite simple:

    For those who wanted plot answers and mythology resolutions: Finale failed.

    For those who wanted character and their stories and lives resolved: Finale succeed big time.

    I wanted a bit of both so was pretty happy, but would like more answers as to what exactly happened with many of the plot threads.

    Yup, pretty much. It's pretty similar to the quote from that article posted earlier that I put up above


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  • #301
    Marcaiocht_Tonn
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/lost-if-you-come-with-me-ill-show-you-what-i-mean.html

    The best review of the Finale and Series that I've read so far.

    Definitely. I think everyone should give this article a chance. The take on the "non-time" of the afterlife crystallised it for me further too. Even though everyone passed on at different times, they appear in the "purgatory" at the same time, because it's timeless. So when Shannon appeared there she didn't have to wait another 3 years or whatever for Sayid to show up. Or maybe she did? In a way they all seemed to live their lives in "purgatory" as though they should have minus the island.

    There was one particularly good scene in this episode I thought: Flocke standing on the cliff, watching the yacht bob up and down in the storm waves. If that was CGI, it was very well done.


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