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Bullfighting - Yea or Nay?

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  • #32
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    It would be better if it was a 50/50 setup, 50% of matadors being killed by the bulls, like putting razors on the bulls horn or a protective jacket, or a load of bulls going at them at once.. Otherwise it is nonsense, it would be like seeing a heavyweight boxer take on a featherweight. TBH the only ones I like to see is where the matadors are gored, fair f*cks to the bull.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cMOviq8M8


    Right in the groin!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbfGRcBmKbg


  • #33
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    I think that's what makes the debate contentious: the matadors and aficionados have great respect for the bulls. Great bulls are remembered the way great matadors are. But it's still a pretty one-sided affair, and it's hard to dress up what is basically ritualized slaughter.


    True. But whether the animal is killed in a slaughterhouse or in the bullring, the result is the same. It’s all a matter of semantics.


  • #34
    bluto63
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭bluto63


    I would be against it, they stick swords in the bull throughout the fight, so it slowly dies. Very cruel. I would go see it given the chance though. Just something I'd want to experience in person, see why it's so popular


  • #35
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    rubadub wrote: »
    It would be better if it was a 50/50 setup, 50% of matadors being killed by the bulls, like putting razors on the bulls horn or a protective jacket, or a load of bulls going at them at once.. Otherwise it is nonsense, it would be like seeing a heavyweight boxer take on a featherweight. TBH the only ones I like to see is where the matadors are gored, fair f*cks to the bull.

    If the same thing happened in slaughterhouses, there'd be a high turnover of slaughterers & they'd have to be paid a serious amount of danger money.


  • #36
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    True. But whether the animal is killed in a slaughterhouse or in the bullring, the result is the same. It’s all a matter of semantics.

    Oh absolutely, as I was trying to say in my main point my main beef (lulz) with bullfighting is that I struggle to understand how the spectacle is sold as entertainment in 2010. Horrible things happen in a slaughterhouse but people wouldn't pay to see them. I've seen bullfighting videos and the matadors are very brave in the risks that they take.

    However the lasting impression I always get is that of a defenseless, already wounded bull tricked into running into a flag and humiliated until it's dazed, mortally wounded body slumps to the ground after far too long, as a stadium of people erupts in applause. Not for me


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  • #37
    tony1kenobi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    I'd fight a bull...bare knuckle I'd fancy my chances.


  • #38
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Oh absolutely, as I was trying to say in my main point my main beef (lulz) with bullfighting is that I struggle to understand how the spectacle is sold as entertainment in 2010. Horrible things happen in a slaughterhouse but people wouldn't pay to see them. I've seen bullfighting videos and the matadors are very brave in the risks that they take.

    However the lasting impression I always get is that of a defenseless, already wounded bull tricked into running into a flag and humiliated until it's dazed, mortally wounded body slumps to the ground after far too long, as a stadium of people erupts in applause. Not for me

    Fair enough! I've no beef with that. ;)


  • #39
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    If you want to fight a bull, I say go for it, go nuts. But don't cut a section off the bulls horns so it can't judge distance, don't dull the tips and wrap them in cloth, and either leave the sword at home or arm the bull aswell. I'm all for a fair fight. Infact I'd probably pay good money to see a genuine, unrigged fight, between a bull and a pathetic cuunt.


  • #40
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    I went twelve rounds with a bull before. Won on points


  • #41
    Splendour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    The majority of people in AH voted Pro Choice in the Abortion Poll but (so far) are against Bullfighting :confused:


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  • #42
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Oh absolutely, as I was trying to say in my main point my main beef (lulz) with bullfighting is that I struggle to understand how the spectacle is sold as entertainment in 2010. Horrible things happen in a slaughterhouse but people wouldn't pay to see them. I've seen bullfighting videos and the matadors are very brave in the risks that they take.

    However the lasting impression I always get is that of a defenseless, already wounded bull tricked into running into a flag and humiliated until it's dazed, mortally wounded body slumps to the ground after far too long, as a stadium of people erupts in applause. Not for me

    I have mixed feelings about animal sports in general. Steeplechase racing is quite dangerous for the horses, who have to be immediately put down if they have a bad fall. Many racing hounds end up abused and neglected if they don't win. It is almost inevitable that a bull will die in the ring, but they are honored from start to finish (indeed, if they are left to suffer too much, it reflects poorly on the matador), and their meat is actually put to use. Dogfighting and cockfighting (both of which I find unbelievably distasteful) seems much more brutal to me, even though it's an "even" contest; the main purpose is gambling.


  • #43
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Splendour wrote: »
    The majority of people in AH voted Pro Choice in the Abortion Poll but (so far) are against Bullfighting :confused:

    I think you will find that being pro-choice on the abortion issue doesn't coallate with pro-abortion. There is a world of a difference.


  • #44
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    i have no problem with it

    i wouldnt pay to go to a bullfight i dont think but then i would love to go to the running of the bulls in pamploma and firmly plan on it so i guess i might end up at a bullfight there


  • #45
    Indubitable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Indubitable


    Got hit by a bull before. Luckily I had dehorned him. Broke a few ribs that day.


  • #46
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,384 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Imma say "Senor Jaguar" on this'un...

    Really because it's not something I've been brought up with here and haven't experienced in any way.


  • #47
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    i have no problem with it

    i wouldnt pay to go to a bullfight i dont think but then i would love to go to the running of the bulls in pamploma and firmly plan on it so i guess i might end up at a bullfight there

    The bull run in Pamplona is f*cking class - it's some fiesta, I tell ya! Some dopey american tourist always seems to get mauled / killed by a bull, but some would consider that a bonus. ;)


  • #48
    tommyboy2222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭tommyboy2222


    POW!! Right in the kisser !!!!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKkoslTNU6k


  • #49
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Wouldn't be my thing. I don't like the suffering.

    Oh, and because it was annoying me, the OP is correct to use "yea".


  • #50
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Nope, disgusting...and the things that they do to them beforehand, yeah nice one. Scum.


  • #51
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Nope, disgusting...and the things that they do to them beforehand, yeah nice one. Scum.

    Another vegetarian then, I take it?


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  • #52
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Aye.


  • #53
    starbelgrade
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Aye.

    Vegetables have feelings too.


  • #54
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    It's not that I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants.


  • #55
    Posy
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,976 Mod ✭✭✭✭Posy


    Nay. And I cannot understand people who would want to go and see such a barbaric spectacle. Makes me sick.


  • #56
    Gunsfortoys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    Hve to say no to this one, while I love a good steak, I cant agree with this type of "sport". Aye no way.


  • #57
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    "Bullfighting is the only art in which the artist is in danger of death and in which the degree of brilliance in the performance is left to the fighter's honor."

    Ernest Hemmingway "Death in the Afternoon"


  • #58
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    I definately wouldn't be campaigning to stop it anyway. Worse things happening in the world.


  • #59
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Malaysia Thundering Radiance wrote: »
    I definately wouldn't be campaigning to stop it anyway. Worse things happening in the world.

    Before this post, according to the post count under the usernames, I had exactly 200 posts more than you. How very odd.


  • #60
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    What is the oddity here :confused:


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  • #61
    filthymcnasty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 644 ✭✭✭filthymcnasty


    If your happy enough to eat beef who gives a **** what way cattle die. whinging about bullfighting is an exercise in futility (like ironing your underpants)


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