Bullfighting - Yea or Nay?

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:12pm #1

Bullfighting is a traditional spectacle of Spain, Portugal, some cities in southern France and in several Latin American countries, in which one or more bulls are ritually killed in a bullring as a public spectacle, except in Portugal where it is illegal to kill a bull in the arena.

Bullfighting has generated controversy in many parts of the world, including Spain, Portugal, Peru, Mexico, and Ecuador. Supporters of bullfighting argue that it is a culturally important tradition, while animal rights advocates hold that it is a blood sport resulting in the suffering of bulls and horses.

(Wikipedia)

So what are your views on bullfighting - do you advocate it, or are you against it?

Poll to follow shortly.

mink_man · 22-05-2010 11:13pm

its yay not yea.....

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:14pm

No I think it's sick to just kill an animal like that.

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:15pm

greetings wrote: »

No I think it's sick to just kill an animal like that.

Do you eat meat?

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:15pm

Ya,but do they run the cows through the streets taunting them and killing them cruelly for my steak?

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:15pm

mink_man wrote: »

its yay not yea.....

My thread, my spelling

mistakes!

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:16pm

greetings wrote: »

Ya,but do they run the cows through the streets taunting them and killing them cruelly for my steak?

I think you're confusing bull running with bull fighting.

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:17pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think you're confusing bull running with bull fighting.

Aw I might well be. Do they kill the bulls in bull running too?

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:18pm

greetings wrote: »

Aw I might well be. Do they kill the bulls in bull running too?

No. Not unless they fall & injure themselves badly.

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:19pm

Hmm I thought I saw a thing where they ran them through the streets and killed it. Might have been a minority.

mikom · 22-05-2010 11:21pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

Bullfighting - Yea or Nay?

Moooooo

MagicMarker · 22-05-2010 11:21pm

I like it when the bull wins.

Post No. 12000... w00t

jd007 · 22-05-2010 11:21pm

I don't really see the point of it tbh...

shizz · 22-05-2010 11:21pm

as long as it results in a steak it's good

Gunsfortoys · 22-05-2010 11:21pm

Starbelgrade making a side thread to every news story - Nay.

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:22pm

greetings wrote: »

Hmm I thought I saw a thing where they ran them through the streets and killed it. Might have been a minority.

They are usually killed later in the evening, but during a bullfight.

southsiderosie · 22-05-2010 11:22pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think you're confusing bull running with bull fighting.

The bulls run through the streets to the stadium...where they are killed. (Edit: gah, too slow)

I wouldn't want to watch a bullfight, and it seems kind of sadistic. But until they go into the ring, those bulls are better taken care of than most cows that are raised for consumption.

karlog · 22-05-2010 11:23pm

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UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:24pm

karlog wrote: »

what does atari jaguar mean

It's a stupid saying on boards for 'don't care'

speedboatchase · 22-05-2010 11:24pm

I eat meat, wear leather (shoes, pants occasionally, obv) and get hungry if I see a cow but I still just find bullfighting unnecessarily cruel and barbaric. I do acknowledge that the matadors are extremely skilled performers but the fact the death is so dragged out and gruesome just unsettles me. It just appears a little primitive and muslimy for my tastes

ps. My parents went to a bullfighting event on their honeymoon and left during it as they just couldn't stomach the spectacle

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:24pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

those bulls are better taken care of than most cows that are raised for consumption.

They also have the chance of being granted a pardon (indulto). The slaughterhouse never grants an animal the indulto. Its life is never pardoned for extreme bravery. It’s a small point, but an important one.

Coriolanus · 22-05-2010 11:26pm

greetings wrote: »

Ya,but do they run the cows through the streets taunting them and killing them cruelly for my steak?

Only because if they did, they wouldn't be as tasty. If it was shown that bulls from a run or a fight were tastier, you'd see it becoming a much more regular thing.

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:27pm

Nevore wrote: »

Only because if they did, they wouldn't be as tasty. If it was shown that bulls from a run or a fight were tastier, you'd see it becoming a much more regular thing.

They'd have too much muscle, less fat = less flavour

squod · 22-05-2010 11:27pm

Anything that makes steak even more enjoyable is probably worth it.

southsiderosie · 22-05-2010 11:27pm

speedboatchase wrote: »

I eat meat, wear leather (shoes, pants occasionally, obv) and get hungry if I see a cow but I still just find bullfighting unnecessarily cruel and barbaric. I do acknowledge that the matadors are extremely skilled performers but the fact the death is so dragged out and gruesome just unsettles me. It just appears a little primitive and muslimy for my tastes

ps. My parents went to a bullfighting event on their honeymoon and left during it as they just couldn't stomach the spectacle

"Muslimy"?

Coriolanus · 22-05-2010 11:29pm

greetings wrote: »

They'd have too much muscle, less fat = less flavour

Oh, I know the reasons behind it. My point is that the reason we slaughter animals for human consumption in the way we do has as much to do with the way it effects the taste/texture of the meat as it does being humane to them.

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:31pm

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Starbelgrade making a side thread to every news story - Nay.

Mooo.

I mean, boooo.

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:31pm

Nevore wrote: »

Oh, I know the reasons behind it. My point is that the reason we slaughter animals for human consumption in the way we do has as much to do with the way it effects the taste/texture of the meat as it does being humane to them.

Aw I get ya.

InkSlinger67 · 22-05-2010 11:32pm

I'd be up for "Ultimate" Bullfighting but not interested in it's current format

Just seems giving Juan Sheet a sword makes it not much of a sport! Why not a riot shield?

southsiderosie · 22-05-2010 11:32pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

They also have the chance of being granted a pardon (indulto). The slaughterhouse never grants an animal the indulto. Its life is never pardoned for extreme bravery. It’s a small point, but an important one.

I think that's what makes the debate contentious: the matadors and aficionados have great respect for the bulls. Great bulls are remembered the way great matadors are. But it's still a pretty one-sided affair, and it's hard to dress up what is basically ritualized slaughter.

speedboatchase · 22-05-2010 11:33pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

"Muslimy"?

Ya I meant it tongue-in-cheek but it doesn't seem like this kind of spectacle that would exist in 2010 in Western Europe, that kind of barbarism as entertainment it's something you'd expect in Saudi Arabia tbh (chop chop square in Riyadh)

rubadub · 22-05-2010 11:33pm

It would be better if it was a 50/50 setup, 50% of matadors being killed by the bulls, like putting razors on the bulls horn or a protective jacket, or a load of bulls going at them at once.. Otherwise it is nonsense, it would be like seeing a heavyweight boxer take on a featherweight. TBH the only ones I like to see is where the matadors are gored, fair f*cks to the bull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cMOviq8M8

Right in the groin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbfGRcBmKbg

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:35pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

I think that's what makes the debate contentious: the matadors and aficionados have great respect for the bulls. Great bulls are remembered the way great matadors are. But it's still a pretty one-sided affair, and it's hard to dress up what is basically ritualized slaughter.

True. But whether the animal is killed in a slaughterhouse or in the bullring, the result is the same. It’s all a matter of semantics.

bluto63 · 22-05-2010 11:37pm

I would be against it, they stick swords in the bull throughout the fight, so it slowly dies. Very cruel. I would go see it given the chance though. Just something I'd want to experience in person, see why it's so popular

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:37pm

rubadub wrote: »

It would be better if it was a 50/50 setup, 50% of matadors being killed by the bulls, like putting razors on the bulls horn or a protective jacket, or a load of bulls going at them at once.. Otherwise it is nonsense, it would be like seeing a heavyweight boxer take on a featherweight. TBH the only ones I like to see is where the matadors are gored, fair f*cks to the bull.

If the same thing happened in slaughterhouses, there'd be a high turnover of slaughterers & they'd have to be paid a serious amount of danger money.

speedboatchase · 22-05-2010 11:40pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

True. But whether the animal is killed in a slaughterhouse or in the bullring, the result is the same. It’s all a matter of semantics.

Oh absolutely, as I was trying to say in my main point my main beef (lulz) with bullfighting is that I struggle to understand how the spectacle is sold as entertainment in 2010. Horrible things happen in a slaughterhouse but people wouldn't pay to see them. I've seen bullfighting videos and the matadors are very brave in the risks that they take.

However the lasting impression I always get is that of a defenseless, already wounded bull tricked into running into a flag and humiliated until it's dazed, mortally wounded body slumps to the ground after far too long, as a stadium of people erupts in applause. Not for me

tony1kenobi · 22-05-2010 11:40pm

I'd fight a bull...bare knuckle I'd fancy my chances.

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:42pm

speedboatchase wrote: »

Oh absolutely, as I was trying to say in my main point my main beef (lulz) with bullfighting is that I struggle to understand how the spectacle is sold as entertainment in 2010. Horrible things happen in a slaughterhouse but people wouldn't pay to see them. I've seen bullfighting videos and the matadors are very brave in the risks that they take.

However the lasting impression I always get is that of a defenseless, already wounded bull tricked into running into a flag and humiliated until it's dazed, mortally wounded body slumps to the ground after far too long, as a stadium of people erupts in applause. Not for me

Fair enough! I've no beef with that.

strobe · 22-05-2010 11:42pm

If you want to fight a bull, I say go for it, go nuts. But don't cut a section off the bulls horns so it can't judge distance, don't dull the tips and wrap them in cloth, and either leave the sword at home or arm the bull aswell. I'm all for a fair fight. Infact I'd probably pay good money to see a genuine, unrigged fight, between a bull and a pathetic cuunt.

UrbanSea · 22-05-2010 11:43pm

I went twelve rounds with a bull before. Won on points

Splendour · 22-05-2010 11:49pm

The majority of people in AH voted Pro Choice in the Abortion Poll but (so far) are against Bullfighting

southsiderosie · 22-05-2010 11:49pm

speedboatchase wrote: »

Oh absolutely, as I was trying to say in my main point my main beef (lulz) with bullfighting is that I struggle to understand how the spectacle is sold as entertainment in 2010. Horrible things happen in a slaughterhouse but people wouldn't pay to see them. I've seen bullfighting videos and the matadors are very brave in the risks that they take.

However the lasting impression I always get is that of a defenseless, already wounded bull tricked into running into a flag and humiliated until it's dazed, mortally wounded body slumps to the ground after far too long, as a stadium of people erupts in applause. Not for me

I have mixed feelings about animal sports in general. Steeplechase racing is quite dangerous for the horses, who have to be immediately put down if they have a bad fall. Many racing hounds end up abused and neglected if they don't win. It is almost inevitable that a bull will die in the ring, but they are honored from start to finish (indeed, if they are left to suffer too much, it reflects poorly on the matador), and their meat is actually put to use. Dogfighting and cockfighting (both of which I find unbelievably distasteful) seems much more brutal to me, even though it's an "even" contest; the main purpose is gambling.

starbelgrade · 22-05-2010 11:54pm

Splendour wrote: »

The majority of people in AH voted Pro Choice in the Abortion Poll but (so far) are against Bullfighting

I think you will find that being pro-choice on the abortion issue doesn't coallate with pro-abortion. There is a world of a difference.

PeakOutput · 23-05-2010 1:06am

i have no problem with it

i wouldnt pay to go to a bullfight i dont think but then i would love to go to the running of the bulls in pamploma and firmly plan on it so i guess i might end up at a bullfight there

Indubitable · 23-05-2010 1:09am

Got hit by a bull before. Luckily I had dehorned him. Broke a few ribs that day.

Dravokivich · 23-05-2010 1:11am

Imma say "Senor Jaguar" on this'un...

Really because it's not something I've been brought up with here and haven't experienced in any way.

starbelgrade · 23-05-2010 1:14am

PeakOutput wrote: »

i have no problem with it

i wouldnt pay to go to a bullfight i dont think but then i would love to go to the running of the bulls in pamploma and firmly plan on it so i guess i might end up at a bullfight there

The bull run in Pamplona is f*cking class - it's some fiesta, I tell ya! Some dopey american tourist always seems to get mauled / killed by a bull, but some would consider that a bonus.