Conjoined twins flown home by the Air corps

21-05-2010 07:35PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Flying these twins home is a prime example of the sort of molycoddling the state does to its citizens which is destroying both the state and preventing people from having any aspirations in life or wanting to better themselves when they have cradle to the grave to fall back on. .

Oh ****, they've ruined their lives!

They'll never get to university now :eek:

peasant · 21-05-2010 07:36PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Irish people are not living in the real world

The only one not living in the real world is you.

The twins at the moment are more healing wound than baby, they needed the air ambulance, they got the air ambulance.

/thread

Sometimes, when you don't have a clue what you're talking about, just shutting up is an option worth considering

rovert · 21-05-2010 07:36PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The HSE as it stands is the difference between a budget deficit and breaking even and a surplus. It guzzles money and gives little in return and all it has done is breed a generation of useless chavtastic people in this country who think the Government owes them something. I myself as a beleiver in the Laissez Faire way of doing things want nothing from the Government only for them to stop interfering and taxing our lives.

Wut

Mac daddy wrote: »

Another great way of spending the Irish taxpayers money..

You forgot to finish that sentence there

Nodin · 21-05-2010 07:37PM

Orange69 wrote: »

I agree with you OP, they should have gotten a ryanair flight like the rest of the ****-munchers.

Who are the ****-munchers, might I ask?

Orange69 · 21-05-2010 07:39PM

Nodin wrote: »

Who are the ****-munchers, might I ask?

Just regular people, check out 'peepshow', its very funny.

Lollymcd · 21-05-2010 07:39PM

Nodin wrote: »

Who are the ****-munchers, might I ask?

I'm not sure I know what the **** stands for...

Yeah I can imagine but it doesn't realy make sense!!!

Steyr · 21-05-2010 07:40PM

So Stinicker at what point of the Selection process did you not get accepted for a Cadetship to become a Pilot in the Irish Air Corps?

yerayeah · 21-05-2010 07:41PM

Of all the things you could have picked to moan about, this is ridiculous!
Two children who have spent the vast majority of their lives in an ICU and you think they should be thrown onto an Aer Lingus or Ryanair plane?
That's a bit silly tbh...

SugarHigh · 21-05-2010 07:49PM

Don't the planes have to be flown on trips like this anyway just to keep them working?

PARKHEAD67 · 21-05-2010 07:51PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

because by having those two little baby's alive and well in Ireland makes people feel good.

i feel good about it and i dont particularly like kids.

now go count some beans Mr. Bean Counter

You dont particularly like kids? What a totally stupid idiotic comment. You were once a kid I presume.

Steyr · 21-05-2010 07:55PM

SugarHigh wrote: »

Don't the planes have to be flown on trips like this anyway just to keep them working?

Nope. The CASA's are nearly always up doing something, that is if they are not in for maintenance.

Stinicker · 21-05-2010 07:57PM

Steyr wrote: »

So Stinicker at what point of the Selection process did you not get accepted for a Cadetship to become a Pilot in the Irish Air Corps?

If you are insinuating that I have some sort of a grudge against the Irish Air Corps then you are very mistaken. Our Air Corps do sterling work and are a great asset to the nation.

However I beleive their time and resources could be better spent than using their planes are Air Ambulances. I think that the money wasted running this service which the private sector could do far more efficiently should be spent on equipping Ireland with some decent air defences and say 10 or 15 either F-16 or Eurofighters.

If a Ryanair or Aer Lingus plane was tomorrow morning hijacked by some terrorists who threatened to crash it somewhere in Dublin, Ireland does not have the capability to shoot it down. And before people suggest the RAF would come to the rescue, say it was a Lufthansa or Air France jet, do you think the RAF or British military would risk provoking an incident with another country to help their Irish neighbours? Smaller poorer countries than us have air forces many times bigger and better equipped.

So unconcerned are our government with National Security that on the recent Motorway's built across Ireland there was not one single airstrip incorporated into the design build of the motorways when for practically no extra cost the Irish government could have built between 5 or 10 emergency highway strips that could be converted into Airfields in a time of war or national emergency. But I guess transporting some sick people is higher up the agenda of this government.

yerayeah wrote: »

Of all the things you could have picked to moan about, this is ridiculous!
Two children who have spent the vast majority of their lives in an ICU and you think they should be thrown onto an Aer Lingus or Ryanair plane?
That's a bit silly tbh...

I was not suggesting they take a Ryanair plane I would hardly recommend that to any fit or sane person!

However there are private air ambulances or else they would charter a private plane to transport themselves.

Micky Dolenz · 21-05-2010 08:00PM

This whole twins story has really brought with it a warm fuzzy feeling for the nation. Whats that worth?

Liam Byrne · 21-05-2010 08:03PM

Ideally, our government would be able to provide this for all serious cases.

The fact that they can do it for one doesn't fix that, but it certainly makes me feel better about being Irish in the current dog-eat-dog, pay the fat-cats and screw the public climate.

Very few things this government has done has made me feel proud, but this was one.

Joey the lips · 21-05-2010 08:05PM

Bahh humbug... I think it was a brilliant thought by the irish govt.

SugarHigh · 21-05-2010 08:07PM

Steyr wrote: »

Nope. The CASA's are nearly always up doing something, that is if they are not in for maintenance.

Like what?

Just curious I'm not being confrontational. I was under the impression that these aircraft had to be in the air a certain amount each year for maintenance so they basically use any excuse to fly them.

Steyr · 21-05-2010 08:17PM

SugarHigh wrote: »

Like what?

Just curious I'm not being confrontational. I was under the impression that these aircraft had to be in the air a certain amount each year for maintenance so they basically use any excuse to fly them.

The CASA's perform a myriad of tasks from:

Maritime patrolling ( Inshore/Offshore ), air ambulance, military transport, Search and Rescue top cover and Parachuting operations. They have an endurance of 8 hours.

Also from military.ie

These aircraft entered service in 1994 and operate seven days a week usually in the off shore maritime patrol arena.

Working in close conjunction with the Naval Service, the CASA CN 235 Maritime Patrol Aircraft of 101 Squadron provide an aerial platform for patrolling the Irish Economic Zone, an area of approximately 132,000 square miles or 16% of the total EU sea fisheries. This in itself represents an area almost five times the land area of Ireland.

Poccington · 21-05-2010 08:18PM

Stinicker wrote: »

If you are insinuating that I have some sort of a grudge against the Irish Air Corps then you are very mistaken. Our Air Corps do sterling work and are a great asset to the nation.

However I beleive their time and resources could be better spent than using their planes are Air Ambulances. I think that the money wasted running this service which the private sector could do far more efficiently should be spent on equipping Ireland with some decent air defences and say 10 or 15 either F-16 or Eurofighters.

If a Ryanair or Aer Lingus plane was tomorrow morning hijacked by some terrorists who threatened to crash it somewhere in Dublin, Ireland does not have the capability to shoot it down. And before people suggest the RAF would come to the rescue, say it was a Lufthansa or Air France jet, do you think the RAF or British military would risk provoking an incident with another country to help their Irish neighbours? Smaller poorer countries than us have air forces many times bigger and better equipped.

So unconcerned are our government with National Security that on the recent Motorway's built across Ireland there was not one single airstrip incorporated into the design build of the motorways when for practically no extra cost the Irish government could have built between 5 or 10 emergency highway strips that could be converted into Airfields in a time of war or national emergency. But I guess transporting some sick people is higher up the agenda of this government.

Seriously, do you honestly think this Government or any future Government would sanction the purchase of 10 or 15 Eurofighters?

You do realise our Defence budget is an absolute disgrace don't you?

punchdrunk · 21-05-2010 08:28PM

all I can think of is,if they had to "ryanair it" the papers would have a field day saying the air corps lads are out in Baldonnel sittin on their holes

...and I can imagine who'd be the first boardsie to start the indignation filled,Joe Duffyesque thread about it too

21-05-2010 08:37PM

Poccington wrote: »

Seriously, do you honestly think this Government or any future Government would sanction the purchase of 10 or 15 Eurofighters?

You do realise our Defence budget is an absolute disgrace don't you?

silly billy, don't you know if they stopped flying all these separated/conjoined twins all over the place we'd be able to afford 50 fighter jets :rolleyes:

Best of luck to the two little fellas. They've had a tough enough start to life without people talking about them as if they're an expensive burden on the country.

Manic Moran · 21-05-2010 08:39PM

Biggins wrote: »

+ as a military transport, it could fly at different non-commercial areas, heights zones to avoid ash clouds should they have appeared.

Granted, I don't have a rating for that sort of aircraft, but I can't think of any mechanical or legal reason a CASA could go somewhere that something like a DASH-8 can't, barring miserable stormy weather and extremely low altitude, which doesn't apply for a medical transfer flight really.

I have no idea if it would have worked out cheaper to just hire a private airplane like a King-Air (Probably would have) but I'm sure the pilots would have enjoyed a change of scene, and it doesn't hurt for training value to go somewhere new.

NTM

super_furry · 21-05-2010 08:40PM

Damn these corrupt conjoined babies bleeding the state dry!

punchdrunk · 21-05-2010 08:47PM

super_furry wrote: »

Damn these corrupt conjoined babies bleeding the state dry!

D'uh...your forgot immigrant!!!

AlekSmart · 21-05-2010 09:14PM

The twins at the moment are more healing wound than baby, they needed the air ambulance, they got the air ambulance.

I think Peasant has it about right here.

I have little doubt that this was to the crew concerned just another mission to be performed in a professional manner.

As Victor pointed out in the Dept of Defence Press Release there is a Service Level Agreement between the Dept of Defence and the Dept of Health and Children.

So yes Stinicker,this example of a Medevac Operation is simply the Air Corps "Takin Care Of Business" and I`m sure they will provide you with any necessary information to assist you in your quest to establish the parameters of the "new reality" in our world.

Or...perhaps Stinicker could be doing a Jonathan Swift on it and using the good dean`s "Modest Proposal" tactic to focus public opinion on the benefits of eating children as a means of tackling poverty and other stuff which gets in the way of a tough reality-based society ?

I`ll nail my colours to the mast here and say that I regard the mission as an all-too-rare example of the State allocating it`s resources in a thoroughly beneficial manner.

So yea....Stinicker...Build a bridge,get over it...HTFU and write to the Comptroler & Auditor General with your complaint ?

Degsy · 21-05-2010 09:24PM

Now they're seperated,the parents are gonna have to pay for two kids on flights instead of one..they may come to rue that operation one day.
Twice the clothes bills too.

Bazzy · 21-05-2010 09:43PM

Stinicker wrote: »

If you are insinuating that I have some sort of a grudge against the Irish Air Corps then you are very mistaken. Our Air Corps do sterling work and are a great asset to the nation.

However I beleive their time and resources could be better spent than using their planes are Air Ambulances. I think that the money wasted running this service which the private sector could do far more efficiently should be spent on equipping Ireland with some decent air defences and say 10 or 15 either F-16 or Eurofighters.

If a Ryanair or Aer Lingus plane was tomorrow morning hijacked by some terrorists who threatened to crash it somewhere in Dublin, Ireland does not have the capability to shoot it down. And before people suggest the RAF would come to the rescue, say it was a Lufthansa or Air France jet, do you think the RAF or British military would risk provoking an incident with another country to help their Irish neighbours? Smaller poorer countries than us have air forces many times bigger and better equipped.

So unconcerned are our government with National Security that on the recent Motorway's built across Ireland there was not one single airstrip incorporated into the design build of the motorways when for practically no extra cost the Irish government could have built between 5 or 10 emergency highway strips that could be converted into Airfields in a time of war or national emergency. But I guess transporting some sick people is higher up the agenda of this government.

I was not suggesting they take a Ryanair plane I would hardly recommend that to any fit or sane person! However there are private air ambulances or else they would charter a private plane to transport themselves.

I hope to god you never get stuck abroad sick and need the irish government to bail you out because obviously yo'd be too proud to take the help :rolleyes:

Banned Account · 21-05-2010 10:17PM

Please change thread title to "Un-conjoined Twins ... " I thought there was another set.

mickoneill30 · 21-05-2010 10:24PM

punchdrunk wrote: »

all I can think of is,if they had to "ryanair it" the papers would have a field day saying the air corps lads are out in Baldonnel sittin on their holes

...and I can imagine who'd be the first boardsie to start the indignation filled,Joe Duffyesque thread about it too

+1. The same guys. Some people just need to moan about anything in Ireland.

Scarydoll · 21-05-2010 10:27PM

I can't believe there are people giving out about this. Would you rather the twins get sick after being on a Ryan Air flight? Would that make you happy?

WalterMitty · 21-05-2010 10:57PM

From watching the report on rte news a few things struck me. Each child was carried off the plane by each parent, not nurses or doctors and not on any life support or anything. What are the criteria for such expenditure ? Does it not have to be an emergency or patients transported to be incapable of commercial flight?
Another thing that struck me was the people interviewed from Cork were raving that a cork surgeon had done the job for these little corkonians , bla bla bla and then i heard minister michael martin was waiting to meet them at the airport. This is the same minister who faces losing his seat at the next election unless he can be seen to be doing special things for his constituency .
Personally i have no prob flying these kids home saving the hassle of flying commercially etc even if they dont meet the strict criteria but i do feel the cork minister was using this cork family for his own political ends.

Conjoined twins flown home by the Air corps

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