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Church demands €2m fees from primary schools

  • 20-05-2010 11:21AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭


    CATHOLIC primary schools are furious after being hit with a new €2m-per-year demand for money from the church.
    Cash-strapped principals say that, instead of the church subsidising them, they are now being asked to subsidise the church.
    The new request for cash has come from the Catholic Primary School Management Association (CPSMA), the Irish Independent has learned.
    The body offers a management support service to almost 3,000 primary schools run by the Catholic Church.
    The CPSMA has advised schools of a new annual membership fee, which they are expected to pay by the end of the month for the current school year.
    The move comes at a time when the Catholic Church itself is under considerable financial pressure, attracting smaller congregations.
    It is facing substantial payouts to abuse victims, particularly in the wake of the Ryan Report into clerical sex abuse which was published a year ago this week.
    But the CPSMA's demand for money has sparked outrage among school communities, who are furious at the scale of the fees, and the lack of consultation.
    Schools are already struggling to make ends meet in the face of education cutbacks -- and will now pay up to €4.75 per pupil to the church every year. They already have to fundraise and seek contributions from parents to top up state funding.

    There are 3,200 primary schools in Ireland and 92pc are run by the Catholic Church, with the remainder Protestant or non-denominational.
    The CPSMA has recently recruited two extra staff and has 22,000 volunteers on boards of management.
    The new fees amount to €325 for a school with 100 pupils or fewer, €475 for a school with 101 to 250 pupils, €675 for a 251-400 pupil school, and €875 for those with 401 pupils or more.
    Based on that scale of fees, the annual value of the combined contribution from the Catholic primary schools would be in excess of €2m.
    The CPSMA said its services to schools have been greatly expanded and that it now relies on membership fees from boards of management to defray the costs of providing those services.


    One principal last night said that the new request for money was "a very heavy-handed top-down request for money from the church. Up to a number of years ago, the church paid money into schools, now they want schools to pay the church."
    Another principal said: "We cannot afford to take a financial hit like this. No money has ever gone out of my board of management to the CPSMA, nor am I aware of many other schools where that is the case, and now I am being asked for €675."
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/church-demands-euro2m-fees-from-national-schools-2186608.html

    Now the kids have to pay for the church's mistakes?:eek:
    If you have kids in primary school,would you pay those fees?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Menengroth™


    bastards.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Take your kids out of these schools and either home school them or place them in public education.

    It's times like this that I'm ashamed to be a Catholic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭omega666


    storm2811 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/church-demands-euro2m-fees-from-national-schools-2186608.html

    Now the kids have to pay for the church's mistakes?:eek:
    If you have kids in primary school,would you pay those fees?



    its 2 or 3 euro per child, hardly a huge amount.
    i pay more for my car tax per year than what they're looking from a 100 pupil school.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    It's times like this that I'm proud to be an atheist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    It's times like this that I'm ashamed to be a Catholic.

    I'm ashamed too ................................................ that you're a Catholic, I mean.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    omega666 wrote: »
    its 2 or 3 euro per child, hardly a huge amount.
    i pay more for my car tax per year than what they're looking from a 100 pupil school.

    Yes I agree 2 or 3 euro per child is hardly a huge amount for us to pay.
    I don't see what all the fuss is about.

    Yours,
    The Dodgy Priest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    omega666 wrote: »
    its 2 or 3 euro per child, hardly a huge amount.
    i pay more for my car tax per year than what they're looking from a 100 pupil school.

    :confused:
    There are a million children in primary school in Ireland?

    Our population is less than 5 million.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    All schools should now be under state control, its not the 1950's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Hopefully this can be a step in the right direction. Schools don't pay the membership fee's, thus disassociating themselves from the CPSMA and the Catholic Church. Stick to the state set cirriculum and become the secular state we're suppose to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    The Catholic Church is horrible


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭kodute


    Its only right that all children should subsidise the legal fees for perpetrators of child abuse.... :eek:

    They have some balls, thats for sure.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    NothingMan wrote: »
    Hopefully this can be a step in the right direction. Schools don't pay the membership fee's, thus disassociating themselves from the CPSMA and the Catholic Church. Stick to the state set cirriculum and becomethe secular state we're suppose to be.

    Problem.
    these schools are on land owned by the Church and were built by the church.

    Say what you want about the catholic church but without them this country wouldn't have any education system, they filled a void that the state should have 80 years ago in both education and healthcare. The state should provide these services but they don't and there is no sign of them doing so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    I know the fee isn't a lot but it's just the fact that they're expecting people to pay for their mistakes.

    Anyway,I know for a fact that my local church gets nearly 2 grand every week from collections!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    Catholic Church - first they abuse the kids now they are going to rob their lunch money? Pr1cks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    kodute wrote: »
    Its only right that all children should subsidise the legal fees for perpetrators of child abuse.... :eek:

    They have some balls, thats for sure.

    Actually, not all child abusers have some balls - though most of the ones in the Church did for sure.

    As an aside, is this what that Bishop in Longford was getting at when he was caught using emotional blackmail on the children to use their communion money to by a statue or the baby jebus will cry?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Hells Belle


    Take your kids out of these schools and either home school them or place them in public education.

    It's times like this that I'm ashamed to be a Catholic.

    The problem with this is that there are no non denomination schools where I am, there is 1 Educate Together which is next to impossible to get into. All the primary schools in my area are catholic. My son had to sit in a room with 1 other child colouring while the rest of the class spent their days organising their communion, its disgusting tbh. The schools should tell the church to fook off - I most certainly will not be paying it no matter how little it is. The cheek of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Elevator


    haven't a notion of paying


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Problem.
    these schools are on land owned by the Church and were built by the church.

    Say what you want about the catholic church but without them this country wouldn't have any education system, they filled a void that the state should have 80 years ago in both education and healthcare. The state should provide these services but they don't and there is no sign of them doing so.

    National schools were established in 1832 and the RCC opposed the idea of multidenominational state schools (as they feared the Established church would dominate). Moreover, when "the church" buy something, it really means that they collect money from parishioners and spend it on something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Just a question, what do they intend to do with the money raised from this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    Just a question, what do they intend to do with the money raised from this?

    Legal fee's I guess


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Problem.
    these schools are on land owned by the Church and were built by the church
    Yes, but the church isn't going to throw the schools off their land. For a start, it would be the end of them as an insitution in Ireland:
    1. Every parent of children in these schools would boycott the church
    2. They would no longer have a means of indoctrinating new sheep into their nonsense

    If the schools simply don't pay this, there's pretty much nothing the church can do about it without collapsing their own institution.

    The RCC is sitting on hundreds of billions of euros worth of assets in Rome. Why are they asking Irish people for handouts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Feeona


    It really is no different from schools holding fund raisers to get a new classroom built, or the government taking from education to pay for bankers mistakes. The school year practically revolves around fund raisers organised to pay for basic things the government should be paying for.

    The Catholic Church is no worse than the government and yes there are probably paedophiles in the government too, they're present in all sectors of society, not just the church. There's a 'don't want to get involved' mentality in every sector of society too which unfortunately provides the perfect cover for those sick members who are more concerned about getting their jollies than letting a child have a decent start in life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Simple answer to this. Take the schools away from the church. They cant have their kids and eat them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Kids should start charging for alterboy services, €50 a pop,

    Their 2 million would not be long adding up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Feeona


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Say what you want about the catholic church but without them this country wouldn't have any education system, they filled a void that the state should have 80 years ago in both education and healthcare. The state should provide these services but they don't and there is no sign of them doing so.

    There was an education system before the National School system was set up in 1831/1832. There were charter, diocesan, royal, and parish schools, education societies. Most were hell bent on spreading their own word though, whether it was Protestant or Presbyterian which didn't go down too well with the Catholic majority as you'd imagine!
    I don't think it matters who's in charge. Replace the Catholic Church with another organisation, and you'll end up getting the same cr*p. Four legs good, two legs bad!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Just a question, what do they intend to do with the money raised from this?

    Good question, the answer to which would present a much better picture of the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,461 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    It really is no different from schools holding fund raisers to get a new classroom built, or the government taking from education to pay for bankers mistakes. The school year practically revolves around fund raisers organised to pay for basic things the government should be paying for.

    Well, it's a bit different. In those cases, it's raising money to benefit the school. In this case, it's going to line the coffers of the Church.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Yet again the rome org puts the boot in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    In this case, it's going to line the coffers of the Church.

    Any backup to show where the money is actually going to be going?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Feeona


    Well, it's a bit different. In those cases, it's raising money to benefit the school. In this case, it's going to line the coffers of the Church.

    The CPSMA helps organise the school Board of Management. Without a Board of Management, a school would be up sh*t creek without a paddle legal wise

    And it's no different from the government taking from education to pay for mistakes they've made


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