David Curran found guilty of Polish mens murder

sesna · 14-05-2010 10:12AM

mikom wrote: »

He's off in???
For his tea is it?

Oh did he offend one of your little nationalist sensibilities ?

bullpost · 14-05-2010 10:24AM

whadabouchasir wrote: »

Well according to Nationmaster:http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_fem-crime-prisoners-female
only 4.4% of the toatal prisoners in the world are female.It just seems to be the norm that women get away with things that Men just wouldn't,and even if they are found guilty the punishment is much less severe.

There was another case in the paper recently. A teenage girl and her mates attacked another innocent teenager in a dart station. She was the ringleader and broke a bottle and shoved it into the defenceless victim in an unprovoked assault. The victim was badly cut and AFAIK needed hospital treatment.
The perp had a history of drug abuse (sound familiar?) but got away with a suspended sentence because she had now met a "fella" and there was a chance she would settle down.
I don't think the outcome would have been the same if the offender was male.
These type of judgements are setting a dangerous precedent and are undermining the deterrent aspect of our criminal system for certain sections of the population.

mikom · 14-05-2010 10:25AM

sesna wrote: »

Oh did he offend one of your little nationalist sensibilities ?

There is a new batman movie being filmed shortly.
I suggest you audition for the part of the riddler, as your talk in riddles, misinterpreting others posts as you go.

Send audition vid to Christopher Nolan C/o Hollywood U.S.A

walshb · 14-05-2010 10:26AM

Also, an ongoing murder trial at the moment where the girl with the defendant lured the man to an apartment where he was killed. The girl helped the man to try and dispose of the body. This has all been reported, but it has not at all been reported that she has been charged with anything. The man is on trial at the moment for murder.

In almost all criminal acts of violence and murder there is bound to be some female involvement, from
actual participation, to lying, covering, goading, sheltering and all that.

magotch07 · 14-05-2010 10:37AM

walshb wrote: »

Also, an ongoing murder trial at the moment where the girl with the defendant lured the man to an apartment where he was killed. The girl helped the man to try and dispose of the body. This has all been reported, but it has not at all been reported that she has been charged with anything. The man is on trial at the moment for murder.

In almost all criminal acts of violence and murder there is bound to be some female involvement, from
actual participation, to lying, covering, goading, sheltering and all that.

I think i know this case was the man shot

miketv · 14-05-2010 12:50PM

I wonder will a documentary be made about the tragic event. I think it would be good to show and try and get the polish familys perpectives in Poland as well as those of the people in volved, at least it might not be forgotten in time.
This case and the rape and murder of the swiss girl in Galway are horrific, especially for the perception of dear old Ireland

walshb · 14-05-2010 12:52PM

magotch07 wrote: »

I think i know this case was the man shot

As far as I know and can recall he was stabbed. Anyway, I don't want to give details as the case is ongoing, and the boards doesn't encourage this

star.chaser · 14-05-2010 01:50PM

they should gas the extended families of all those scummers involved. send out a clear message to the scumunity.

itsonlywords · 14-05-2010 02:03PM

star.chaser wrote: »

they should gas the extended families of all those scummers involved. send out a clear message to the scumunity.

While in some cases it is heartening that we are naturally upset at this atrocity, I wish the same feeling would apply when our native people are killed and when the non nationals perpetrate these heinous crimes. Would we be so vocal? I cannot remmebr people calling for the gassing of everybody related to a killer, even the guilty ones.
The killer has been punished as per the requirements of Irish law and whatever lessons have been learned should be remembered and dhopefully no more killings even gassing.

itsonlywords · 14-05-2010 02:09PM

walshb wrote: »

Also, an ongoing murder trial at the moment where the girl with the defendant lured the man to an apartment where he was killed. The girl helped the man to try and dispose of the body. This has all been reported, but it has not at all been reported that she has been charged with anything. The man is on trial at the moment for murder.

In almost all criminal acts of violence and murder there is bound to be some female involvement, from
actual participation, to lying, covering, goading, sheltering and all that.

And very very often she is the victim. Just wondering if you speak with some special authority on this?

Amalgam · 14-05-2010 02:14PM

Puttting the gender aside, the sheer psychopathy of the text messages is grim.

walshb · 14-05-2010 04:11PM

itsonlywords wrote: »

And very very often she is the victim. Just wondering if you speak with some special authority on this?

I never said she wasn't ever a victim. I am simply saying that in a lot of crimes, violent crimes and murder etc, there is a female deeply involved, whether it be an accomplice, a wife, a girlfriend, a mistress, a mother, a sister etc. The name that springs to mind is JEZEBEL.

I am always amazed from reading crime how so many violent and nasty men
always seem to have some woman on the go and doing their dirty work.
I mean, some of the most heinous men on earth, they have married, had kids, had
girlfriends, lovers and mistresses all over the place, and a lot of the time
these women know a lot more than they make AND made out.

"Oh, I never knew he was up to anything bad," blah blah blah.....

Sure didn't Ted Bundy marry one of these Jezebels whilst questioning her
during his trial for the murder of a young girl.

poppyvalley · 15-05-2010 02:23PM

ScumLord wrote: »

incitement? I hadn't heard anything about the girls?

Remember the film "The Accused" Jodie Foster got the boyos who incited the other boyos to "make her moan"

Calibos · 15-05-2010 03:00PM

I haven't read the whole thread but has it been mentioned that the newspapers reported the other day that Currans father was arrested the other day for involvement in a 300,000 euro Tiger kidnapping from a few months back.

Seems to have been based on DNA evidence, ie. his DNA was found in the car the victim was transported in. I wonder was this just a coincidence that the DPP moved to arrest him just after the sons case or did the sons case have anything to do with the arrest. What I mean is that I presume they knew the father was involved in the kidnapping but had only circumstancial evidence on him and no DNA on file for him and no probable cause to demand DNA from him. However with the sons conviction they could legally get DNA from the son, compare it to the sample from the kidnapping, sure enough the results show the son is genetically related to the kidnapping sample, which then gave them probable cause to get a DNA sample from the father and.....GOTCHA!

If anyone remembers, there was a case a few years ago in the UK . Something to do with a serial killer with a penchant for collecting the shoes/stillettos of his victims. They couldn't arrest the guy because of circumstancial evidence but a few years later his sister was arrested for drink driving or something, the were allowed take a DNA sample from her and they were allowed run that DNA against the serial killer samples which showed the drunk driving sister was related to the serial killer, which gave them probable cause to demand a DNA sample for the serial killer himself. He was convicted

With regard to the DPP not proceeding with so many prosecutions highlighted by this case again, well this is the reason I will always be rejected in jury selection and why I will no doubt have the liberals come down on me like a ton of bricks. What I mean is that from what I can see, the DPP seem to be so set on only proceeding with cast iron cases that they choose not to prosecute so many 'guilty as sin' cases, well if someone is before the courts, (ie the DPP is proceeding with the case), IMO they are likely guilty as charged and I will always be biased towards a guilty verdict.

vampire of kilmainham · 15-05-2010 03:35PM

Aminah Acidic Tenant wrote: »

20 years isn't enough. It's a joke. The other scumbag is getting how many years?

We should have the same sentencess here as the have in th USA where they hand down a life sentence which in most cases means life without any possibiliety of parole so when you come out it will be in a wodden box anyone who sticks a screwdriver into a persons head is just a scumbag as for his accomplise well he was involved just as much he dident try to stop what was happening no he joined in so give him life as well unfortunatley we are too lenient in this country.:mad::mad::mad:

vampire of kilmainham · 15-05-2010 04:09PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Bollocks. Drimnagh doesn't fit with your (and I mean YOUR) stereotyped image of the south side now, does it?

When a young kid from Waterloo Rd, D4 stabbed a lippy northsider who was hanging round his house in the early hours of the morning and wouldn't go away the press had a field day about his "privileged background."

He was found guilty too.

Iam origanally from the southside and have lived on the northside and in some of what are known as the posh areas and belive me you get scumbags everywhere. Its sad though that certin areas get labeled because there is a large crime rate rember there are plenty of decent people in the areas that get knocked all the time:mad:

vampire of kilmainham · 15-05-2010 04:13PM

colsku wrote: »

Please bring back the death penalty.

The death penalty dosent lessen crime rates although i do aggree hang em high.

vampire of kilmainham · 15-05-2010 04:25PM

questioner wrote: »

i heard it happens more in st pats and juvenile institutions than the adult prisons

It happens in all prisions maybe there might be a big black guy on his wing like the big guy in the film the green mile who will make him his bitch and make him feel pain everyday.

Sir Gallagher · 15-05-2010 05:28PM

vampire of kilmainham wrote: »

It happens in all prisions maybe there might be a big black guy on his wing like the big guy in the film the green mile who will make him his bitch and make him feel pain everyday.

Sounds like you've thought about that maybe a little longer than you should have.

youcrazyjesus! · 15-05-2010 06:22PM

Amalgam wrote: »

Puttting the gender aside, the sheer psychopathy of the text messages is grim.

The lack of understanding of the consequences is something I find worrying. It's just a laugh to them. Terrifying when you think about it.

Overheal · 15-05-2010 06:26PM

star.chaser wrote: »

they should gas the extended families of all those scummers involved. send out a clear message to the scumunity.

Yes, a proportional response to Homicide: Genocide!

:rolleyes:

Did you think before you posted or are you just waxing your chainshaw?

97i9y3941 · 17-05-2010 02:26PM

i remember he tried to evade justice another way by trying to kill himself,he was still taking drugs and making a nuisance of himself whilst out on bail
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/last-chance-for-teenager-charged-with-killing-poles-1439755.html

Friday July 25 2008-

A YOUTH charged with the murders of two Polish men was yesterday warned he was at the "last chance saloon" over whether he could continue to remain free on bail pending his trial.

David Curran (18), with addresses at Lissadel Green, Drimnagh, and Deansrath Avenue, Clondalkin, both Dublin, can remain on bail providing he engages with a specialised service dealing with self-harm -- the High Court heard he was a suicide risk.

He is charged with murdering Pawel Kalite (29) and Marius Szwajkos (27) at Benbulben Road, Drimnagh, on February 23 last.

Last Tuesday, the State applied to revoke Curran's High Court bail after gardai found him in an intoxicated state on July 4, just as a curfew he had been put under was about to start.

Part of his original bail conditions were that he was to stay out of the Dublin 12 area and observe a 10pm to 7am curfew in a sober state.

The court heard he was arrested after he was among a group of youths found drinking on a school grounds in Drimnagh at around 9.50pm.

When approached by Garda Roger Quinn, he and some of the youths ran off. The garda gave chase and managed to catch him when he fell as he was about to climb over a wall.

Following his arrest, he admitted he had taken six ecstasy tablets. While in garda custody, his condition from the effects of the drugs deteriorated and he had to be taken to hospital.

His lawyer claimed the taking of ecstasy was an attempted suicide and, as a result, a local youth worker intervened and he obtained an appointment on Wednesday to see a psychiatrist.

Psychiatrist

Mr Justice John Edwards allowed him to continue on bail until yesterday so he could attend the psychiatrist.

Yesterday, a lawyer for the DPP said the psychiatrist's report had found he had no mental illness and no psychosis pointing towards suicide.

Mr Justice Edwards, after reading the psychiatrist's report and that of the local community worker, said he was satisfied, however, that this particular incident was a genuine suicide attempt stemming from the "extreme pressure" he was under in relation to the (murder) case.

"I am prepared to cut him a bit of slack," the judge said. But this was on the basis that he attends the Pieta Centre for the prevention of self-harm and suicide in Lucan, Dublin, where the community worker had sought a place for him.

The judge adjourned the matter under the existing bail terms to next Wednesday, when the court will be informed of what progress there has been in getting him into Pieta and other counselling which was also being arranged for him.

The judge warned Curran that if he fails to comply with the terms of his bail, he would remain in custody until his trial.

"This is the last chance saloon in terms of bail," the judge added.

mike65 · 19-05-2010 04:42PM

His co-accused, 21-year-old Sean Keogh of Vincent Street West, Inchicore was found not guilty of murder. He had admitted assaulting one of the victims.

Sentenced today for his part in the murders of two men, 4 and a half years. Needless to say it turns out this scote has list of 75 previous convictions. He has a daughter!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0519/drimnagh.html

Counsel for the prosecution John O Kelly said the jury had rejected the case of common design to kill or seriously injure but there was clearly a premeditated attack.

He said Keogh had kicked Mr Kalite in the head when he knew he had just been stabbed through the head with a screwdriver.

Keogh's family apologised to the families of the two Polish men and expressed their 'deep and heartfelt' sorrow.

Keogh also expressed his 'deep, deep remorse' and said he hoped both his family and the victims' families could get on with their lives.

Whatever about his family the words from Keogh himself can't mean anything.

WindSock · 19-05-2010 04:43PM

mike65 wrote: »

Whatever about his family the words from Keogh himself can't mean anything.

Better than laughing it off, tbh.

marcsignal · 19-05-2010 05:07PM

mike65 wrote: »

Sentenced today for his part in the murders of two men, 4 and a half years. Needless to say it turns out this scote has list of 75 previous convictions. He has a daughter!

I agree, it's shameful, and no doubt, in the future, as a teenager, some of this girls finer qualities will include creating false alibis, by sending txt messages to her scumbag mates, with a view to perverting the course of justice..

...the valuable things we learn from our parents.... :rolleyes:

he should be sterilised, and both bitches should be in the clink also :mad:

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mikom · 19-05-2010 05:11PM

mike65 wrote: »

Sentenced today for his part in the murders of two men, 4 and a half years.

Sentence is a little over half a joint from your local headshop.

marcsignal · 19-05-2010 05:15PM

mikom wrote: »

Sentence is a little over half a joint from your local headshop.

+1 well said

what in the name of god must people in Poland, or the Poles here think of our legal system ???

an unbelievable insult to them if you ask me

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Gunmonkey · 19-05-2010 06:37PM

WindSock wrote: »

Better than laughing it off, tbh.

Nah, that will probably come about a year from now when he is released for "good behaviour" :rolleyes:

Whole thing reeks of BS, I'm usually leaning towards the PC brigade when Human Rights arguments come up but the whole moving him to a secure centre because he might or might not have tried to kill himself makes me sick.

He stabbed 2 people in the head with a screwdriver, and kicked them on the ground after becaus ehtey had the gaul, the outright NERVE to not take **** from one of his scumy filth of a family. If he did manage to kill himself, I wouldnt shed a tear. Plenty of people in out country are killing themselves due to stress over losing jobs and the bleakness of their futures, he may or may not have due to commiting a horrendous crime which he probably laughed with his friends at it straight after and proclaimed how badass he was taking those 2 guys on......

B******t.

WindSock · 19-05-2010 06:43PM

Your talking about David Curran, who got 2 life sentances. The guy Sean Keogh has been sentanced to 4 years for kicking one of the Polish men while he was down.

Andy-Pandy · 19-05-2010 06:44PM

He was found not guilty of murder, and guilty of assault. Sentence sounds about right to me.

David Curran found guilty of Polish mens murder

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