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Political Correctness Gone Batty in UCC (mod#23)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    I have read them.

    How can anyone pass judgment on those reports.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Quite easily.
    Is it because the man seems to be from the UK
    Nodin wrote:
    Not at all, nor was I aware that he was. Why would you think that?

    Well, Nodin,did you read the reports or not? the first line gave his age and birth place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭ricman


    SHE invited him out to dinner with her husband a few times ,so he regarded her as a friend ,and there was another co worker in the room when he gave her the article. SO if you work in ucc and study animal behavior ,you cannot discuss your work with a female who does,nt work on the same project . I Listened to pat kenny and he said the report penalised him cos she felt harassed in a sexual way ,ie the evidence does not make sense.Sexual harrassment is making suggestive remarks, using bad language,commenting or talking to someone in a rude suggestive threatening manner.
    Its not showing them a a report you are working on.
    Some women are sensitive and think if a man talks to them about something other than their work they are being harrassed or threatened in some vague way.
    ON the other hand alot of women meet their spouses thru work
    so its a complicated situation.
    So flirting with a woman could be against the law ,if you work in the same place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    So flirting with a woman could be against the law ,if you work in the same place.

    It *is* against the law, if unwanted. Read the Equality Act as posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    It's a difficult area this one. Personally I think as a guy you are better off the workplace being a completely 'sex topic' free area if that makes sense.

    The strange thing is, many workplaces have gone completely to the other side now as I'm sure many guys will agree with. There are women in most offices who use sexual innuendo, demeaning comments about men, and that, and not a word is said against them. Men are expected to sit there and take it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I heard this story first of all and thought, wow that's nuts. The more I read it though the less straightforward it seems. It's hard to tell at this point, in terms of innocent till proven guilty the college acted very rashly imo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    Is it just me or do Universities have a much higher proportion of this type of case than other forms of employment.

    Would love to see what would happen if she walked past a building site

    I don't think it's just you. Many (not all) college employees seem to be (a) extremely litigious and (b) extremely sensitive.

    Possibly because they are in competition with each other for promotion or something like that.

    Most people would probably laugh off these things. I don't think the guy was harrassing her to be honest. He was dumb yes but that's about as far as it goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭kangaroo


    Naos wrote: »
    Not exactly a free online petition if you have to donate money now is it?
    It is a bit confusing but just exit out of it when you get to that stage (if you don't want to donate to ipetitions, that is) and it doesn't affected your signature.

    The link is: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedebate/ in case anyone missed it.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    My lecturer showed us this study in class:

    Zoophilia: a rare cause of traumatic injury to the rectum

    Tis about a donkey and a man, need I say more? We all had a good chuckle!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    Because you should be totally cool about being branded a pervert?!?
    totally dude, ice cream is like,so awesome,like totally


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    reprazant wrote: »

    I'm waiting for it to appear in the Sun.
    Then I'll believe it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    UCC really needs to cop the fcuk on. First the graduation ceremony fees and now this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,382 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    He sounds like a messer and she sounds like someone you should not mess with.

    case closed


    (i'd say he might be the less evil of the two though)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭Klingon Hamlet


    Check it out here on io9.com:
    Dylan Evans, a psychologist at University College Cork in Ireland, has been saddled with a two-year period of intensive monitoring and counselling after discussing a scientific paper with a colleague. The paper? "Fellatio in fruit bats prolongs copulation time".

    Now the university's school of medicine is coming under international pressure to lift the punishment meted out to one of its academics.


    As part of what he says was an ongoing discussion on human uniqueness, Evans showed a copy of the fellatio paper to a female colleague in the school of medicine. "There was not a shred of a sign of offence taken at the time," Evans says. "She asked for a copy of the article."


    A week later he got a letter informing him that he was being accused of sexual harassment. Evans says the whole case is "utterly bizarre". The complainant's side of the argument is that she was "hurt and disgusted", and asked Evans to leave a copy of the paper with her as way of cutting short the meeting.

    No offence intended


    It seems there was more to the grievance between Evans and the complainant than the fellatio paper incident, but an independent investigation found that Evans was not guilty of sexual harassment. The investigation stated that it was reasonable for the colleague to have been offended and that showing the paper was a joke with a sexual innuendo, but that it was not Evans' intention to cause offence.


    The university's president, Michael Murphy, nevertheless imposed a censure, which Evans says has prevented him getting tenure. An online petition calling on the university authorities to back down has been set up and has been signed by high-profile academics including philosopher Daniel Dennett of Tufts University in Medford, Massachusetts, and Steven Pinker of Harvard University.


    Dennett calls the punishment "an outrageous violation of academic freedom" and Pinker says the "absurd and shameful" judgment "runs contrary to the principle of intellectual freedom and freedom of speech, to say nothing of common sense".


    The paper, published last year in PLoS One, was covered in New Scientist and many other outlets. The story had a certain prurient interest, which was only heightened by an explicit video that went with it



    The Irish Federation of University Teachers has written to Murphy asking him to rescind the two-year period of monitoring. Murphy's office had not replied to an enquiry from New Scientist at the time of publication.

    The author of this post can be contacted at tips@io9.com


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭craggles


    grenache wrote: »
    UCC really needs to cop the fcuk on. First the graduation ceremony fees and now this.

    Haha, what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    The ofended one and her husband, vp for research have left for a college in a different country, (unrelated apparently).

    UNIVERSITY COLLEGE Cork has begun disciplinary procedures against a lecturer over the posting of confidential material on the web relating to a complaint of sexual harassment made against him by a female colleague.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0519/1224270655043.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 804 ✭✭✭yerayeah


    This is very embarrassing for UCC. I'm withholding judgement tbh because so far we've only got Dylan Evans version of events. Typical class from the Daily Mail revealing the identity of the female lecturer:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    yerayeah wrote: »
    This is very embarrassing for UCC. I'm withholding judgement tbh because so far we've only got Dylan Evans version of events. Typical class from the Daily Mail revealing the identity of the female lecturer:rolleyes:
    Why shouldn't her name be revealed? His has. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭OctavarIan


    yerayeah wrote: »
    Typical class from the Daily Mail revealing the identity of the female lecturer:rolleyes:

    Are you serious?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Madd Finn


    Sunday Indo did yesterday. Printed her picture as well.

    Tasty babe!

    I know what I'd like to do if she and I were both fruit bats. Hubba! Hubba!







    (I guess tenure at UCC is out of the question for me now :( )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Madd Finn wrote: »
    (I guess tenure at UCC is out of the question for me now :( )
    Good god yes... :pac:


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