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Sssshhhh....RTÉ aren't supposed to talk about this...

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  • #62
    AnonoBoy
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    Mister men wrote: »
    Only heard about this last night. Interesting the way it was brushed under the carpet by ALL popular media outlets.

    The Irish Times reported on it so to say that it was not reported on by a popular media outlet is incorrect. The Taoiseach was invited to address them and reporters were present for that address.

    Perhaps RTE chose not to cover it because they didn't find it newsworthy and shouting at Pat Kenny on live TV about policy that he has no part in forming is hardly going to result in anything except him brushing your claims aside.

    I'm not saying these guys aren't evil dudes, they could very well be but this notion that NOBODY reported on this big meeting is just wrong.


  • #63
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    The Irish Times reported on it so to say that it was not reported on by a popular media outlet is incorrect. The Taoiseach was invited to address them and reporters were present for that address.

    Perhaps RTE chose not to cover it because they didn't find it newsworthy and shouting at Pat Kenny on live TV about policy that he has no part in forming is hardly going to result in anything except him brushing your claims aside.

    I'm not saying these guys aren't evil dudes, they could very well be but this notion that NOBODY reported on this big meeting is just wrong.

    Maybe it was just a decision taken because whoever is tasked with deciding what is important/interesting enough to be included thought it wasn't. Doesn't make it the right decision though.. it wasn't even mentioned on the website, and that contains some fairly obscure and uninteresting stuff a lot of the time!

    I don't think the TC are evil fwiw =p they are too veiled in secrecy though. It's a lot like the Freemasons and how some people see them as evil, conspiracy is borne out of the clandestine


  • #64
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What is stopping people from operating a news station seperate from RTE in Ireland?

    Surely State-Owned media can't be all there is... lots of people out of a job: Start a new TV Network.


  • #65
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Overheal wrote: »
    What is stopping people from operating a news station seperate from RTE in Ireland?

    Surely State-Owned media can't be all there is... lots of people out of a job: Start a new TV Network.
    Himmmm now there's a thought.... :D


  • #66
    celtic Liger
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    i've never seen new tv network loan forms in the bank


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  • #67
    Biggins
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    celtic Liger wrote: »
    i've never seen new tv network loan forms in the bank
    Are you friendly with a Fianna Fail member? :pac:


  • #68
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    the fact that they immediately changed the subject speaks volumes.


  • #69
    AnonoBoy
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    Overheal wrote: »
    What is stopping people from operating a news station seperate from RTE in Ireland?

    TV3 have news programs.

    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    the fact that they immediately changed the subject speaks volumes.

    Not really. The fact that she was shouting at the presenter in a life TV broadcast means that of course the subject is going to be changed.


  • #70
    rovert
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    Theyve got cool theme music you got to give em that:



  • #71
    Killer Pigeon
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    Perhaps the most striking feature of the new Administration is the role played in it by the Trilateral Commission. The mass media had little to say about this matter during the Presidential campaign -- in fact, the connection of the Carter group to the Commission was recently selected as "the best censored news story of 1976" -- and it has not received the attention that it might have since the Administration took office. All of the top positions in the government -- the office of President, Vice-President, Secretary of State, Defense and Treasury -- are held by members of the Trilateral Commission, and the National Security Advisor was its director. Many lesser officials also came from this group. It is rare for such an easily identified private group to play such a prominent role in an American Administration. ”
    —The Carter Administration: Myth and Reality, Excerpted from Radical Priorities, 1981 Noam Chomsky[4]

    That's kinda eerie, yet reflects what happened over the past week in Dublin. In terms of this whole conspiracy about a 'one world government', it kinda reflects the views expressed by the conspiracy theorists who made the movie-documentary 'Zeitgeist' which in itself had many incorrect pieces of evidence that were either forged or misinterpreted.

    One thing that I don't like about this Trilateral Commission is that it is totally elitist, comprising mainly of multi-billionaire businessmen and careerist politicians.


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  • #72
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Maybe we could start a revolution, beginning right here on boards (unless it is owned and run by NWO conspirators)

    VIVA LA REVOLUTION!





    .... or whatever


  • #73
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    I did hear about it.

    So not that odd at all. What was decided at this meeting that meant it should have been on the main evening news? Was it something more pressing that the major oil spill, the volcanic ash, the economic struggles of the country, the teenager's body that was found in the bog?

    RTE usually get wildly excited when a member of Blue or Girls Aloud roll into town; so, whatever your beliefs, it's not unreasonable to ask why this was largely ignored.


  • #74
    AnonoBoy
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    ascanbe wrote: »
    RTE usually get wildly excited when a member of Blue or Girls Aloud roll into town; so, whatever your beliefs, it's not unreasonable to ask why this was largely ignored.

    It wasn't ignored by The Irish Times or The Irish Independent. Sure RTE news might have done something on it but RTE radio did interview Sutherland so the organisation didn't completely ignore it. Yes they probably should have run a story on it but it's not like it was some amazing secret meeting that nobody was going to find out about if RTE didn't report it. They invited the Taoiseach and a host of reporters to it didn't they?

    I fail to see the big conspiracy.


  • #75
    Wibbs
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    DublinWriter wrote: »
    Deficio ultum
    :pac::pac:

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #76
    eoinbn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Kenny didn't talk about it because it had nothing to do with the show.

    What was RTE suppose to report? All RTE can report are facts, not opinions, so the news story would read: Tonight Cowen is meeting X, Y and Z. It's really more a newspaper story, where they can speculate on what could be discussed at the meeting.


  • #77
    squod
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    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    They invited the Taoiseach and a host of reporters to it didn't they?

    I fail to see the big conspiracy.

    The Taoiseach made a speach at the event, then left with the reporters, before the meeting started like. To put this another way if this organisation wasn't secret it would have been a typical red carpet hob-nobs do.

    I dunno what they were discussing. I was obviously important enough for rich/important/well connected people to travel to and secret enough for them to be secretive about it.


  • #78
    AnonoBoy
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    squod wrote: »
    The Taoiseach made a speach at the event, then left with the reporters, before the meeting started like. To put this another way if this organisation wasn't secret it would have been a typical red carpet hob-nobs do.

    I dunno what they were discussing. I was obviously important enough for rich/important/well connected people to travel to and secret enough for them to be secretive about it.

    And what could RTE have reported? No more than was in the papers. The meeting happened, Cowen said this, end of story.

    Also as a private organisation they're under no obligation to allow reporters into any of their meetings. So while you may say secret I would say that if the organisation was so secret then why would they invite the leader of the country to their meeting, thus drawing press attention to themselves?


  • #79
    Dravokivich
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    WildBoots wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission

    So basically they're the Stone Cutters Association?


  • #80
    Biggins
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    So basically they're the Stone Cutters Association?
    "A rose is still a rose by any other name?" - "Is there no help for the widows son?" ;)

    Silence officiate searcher of truths, for they know not!


  • #81
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    TV3 have news programs.




    Not really. The fact that she was shouting at the presenter in a life TV broadcast means that of course the subject is going to be changed.

    except she wasn't shouting...


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  • #82
    AnonoBoy
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    except she wasn't shouting...

    Raised voice/shouting whatever.

    Way to nitpick and avoid my point.

    She was bringing up stuff irrelevant to the discussion. What's Pat going to do? Sidetrack into something that wasn't scheduled for the programme because some Libertas member decides she wants him to?


  • #83
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Raised voice/shouting whatever.

    Way to nitpick and avoid my point.

    She was bringing up stuff irrelevant to the discussion. What's Pat going to do? Sidetrack into something that wasn't scheduled for the programme because some Libertas member decides she wants him to?

    well its not really nitpicking, there is a clear distinction between shouting and speaking, she was speaking.


  • #84
    AnonoBoy
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    well its not really nitpicking, there is a clear distinction between shouting and speaking, she was speaking.

    She was speaking in a raised tone. Louder than normally would be used for speaking on a television programme.

    Whatever volume she was speaking at it wouldn't have made a difference though since the topic was obviously not one that was going to be discussed as it wasn't on the agenda for the programme.

    What was Pat going to say?

    "Yeah that meeting happened, RTE didn't cover it - I don't know why, I don't decide policy for the station"


  • #85
    North_West_Art
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    Henry Kissinger was at the Trilateral Commission meeting in Dublin last week.... and for those of us who dont know who he is, have a dig through this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger


  • #86
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    She was speaking in a raised tone. Louder than normally would be used for speaking on a television programme.

    Whatever volume she was speaking at it wouldn't have made a difference though since the topic was obviously not one that was going to be discussed as it wasn't on the agenda for the programme.

    What was Pat going to say?

    "Yeah that meeting happened, RTE didn't cover it - I don't know why, I don't decide policy for the station"

    initially she was speaking in a level tone. Even if it did get raised, this happens on a lot of tv shows and the audience members don't get cut off.

    Its was relevant to the discussion, the basic reason she was cut off is due to the fact that the media are controlled by the elites and they can't stand to have their power undermined.


  • #87
    AnonoBoy
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Its was relevant to the discussion

    No it wasn't. She was on topic and then she says "Pat, I have something to complain about...." and goes off giving out about RTE not covering the meeting. Now, unless she knew specifically that the meeting had a direct bearing on the legislation that was being discussed on the Frontline at that time I don't see how it was relevant at all to the discussion. And she didn't mention that, all she wanted to complain was that RTE didn't cover it. Not relevant to what was being debated at the time.

    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    the basic reason she was cut off is due to the fact that the media are controlled by the elites and they can't stand to have their power undermined.

    Or she was cut off because she started complaining to Pat about what RTE covers in the news during a discussion on European policy and control over individual member states' budgetary specifics.

    Pat said to her that there is a complaints process. Maybe she should follow that instead of trying to derail a live debate?


  • #88
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    No it wasn't. She was on topic and then she says "Pat, I have something to complain about...." and goes off giving out about RTE not covering the meeting. Now, unless she knew specifically that the meeting had a direct bearing on the legislation that was being discussed on the Frontline at that time I don't see how it was relevant at all to the discussion. And she didn't mention that, all she wanted to complain was that RTE didn't cover it. Not relevant to what was being debated at the time.




    Or she was cut off because she started complaining to Pat about what RTE covers in the news during a discussion on European policy and control over individual member states' budgetary specifics.

    Pat said to her that there is a complaints process. Maybe she should follow that instead of trying to derail a live debate?

    Its completely relevant, she was discussing one form of elite control in relation to another.


  • #89
    AnonoBoy
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Its completely relevant, she was discussing one form of elite control in relation to another.

    Did the meeting have anything to do with EU control over member states budgets? We don't know. Unless it did though then it's not relevant.

    Also she changed topic when she said "I have a complaint." She didn't in anyway try to relate it to what was being discussed instead she wanted to use the live forum as a place to air her grievance about RTE policy.

    If that program had been a boards.ie thread she would have been severely off-topic.


  • #90
    General Zod
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Its completely relevant, she was discussing one form of elite control in relation to another.


    The oul trilateral commission would be right up Declan Ganley's street, suprised Libertas are moaning about it.


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  • #91
    Pete4779
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    eoinbn wrote: »
    Kenny didn't talk about it because it had nothing to do with the show.

    What was RTE suppose to report? All RTE can report are facts, not opinions, so the news story would read: Tonight Cowen is meeting X, Y and Z. It's really more a newspaper story, where they can speculate on what could be discussed at the meeting.

    Seeing as RTE decide to glorify Gerry Ryan's death end spend so much time on that, its bizarre that RTE wouldn't report, for example, that Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller and some of the rest of the world's industrial leaders were meeting in Dublin. We will get a news report when Dana has a shot or when Michael O Leary says something outlandish, but totally ignore key global industrial figures meetign each other in our tiny country.

    Speculation of what they may discuss is not the issue, more likely, it would cause people who otherwise don't know what the Trilateral Commission is to ask questions about it and those on it, much as they do now when they understand the European Commission and how they decide things, but are unelected.


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