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Brittish Soldier killed 7 hours after he gets back from Afghan

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  • #62
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Pyr0 wrote: »
    I always wonder if the people spouting all the "They're killing innocents, no sympathy for them, murderers" would be saying the very same things if the Irish Army were requested to send over some of its troops, who then died in said conflict.

    I really doubt they would.

    We have troops in A'stan.


  • #63
    Gaelic32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Gaelic32


    Why are some people making a big deal out of this story!! If he was an ordinary citizen and was killed in this manner it wouldnt have made the Sky news report and this post wouldnt exist. It happens around the world all the time and unfortunately is not mainstream news in a lot of cases - the fact that this person was a soldier Sky news wants to depict him as some sort of hero having returned from a just war which is far from the truth - sympathy for a young person killed on the streets of any town city in the world, yes of course - sympathy for a british soldier returned from a savage one sided staged bloody war - some chance!!


  • #64
    digme
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    Gaelic32 wrote: »
    Why are some people making a big deal out of this story!! If he was an ordinary citizen and was killed in this manner it wouldnt have made the Sky news report and this post wouldnt exist. It happens around the world all the time and unfortunately is not mainstream news in a lot of cases - the fact that this person was a soldier Sky news wants to depict him as some sort of hero having returned from a just war which is far from the truth - sympathy for a young person killed on the streets of any town city in the world, yes of course - sympathy for a british soldier returned from a savage one sided staged bloody war - some chance!!
    Yes that's what bugs me too,I've heard of countless people for example in australia, who got punched and fell and are in hospital now in coma.
    This he served his country thing is complete horsesh!t.
    Poor families.


  • #65
    Pyr0
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    Brock Plump Nag wrote: »
    We have troops in A'stan.

    Is it an actual fighting force or just advisors ?


  • #66
    amacachi
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Kicked, punched.. whatever methods caused the end of a young persons life by low mentality scum, its sad for the now grieving family, thats my point.

    I'm not arguing that it's tragic for him and his family, I'm saying that we're not in a position to pass judgment on the lad who did it. It was a single punch, it was hardly a savage attack.


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  • #67
    digme
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    Pyr0 wrote: »
    Is it an actual fighting force or just advisors ?
    action figures


  • #68
    partyatmygaff
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    Gaelic32 wrote: »
    Why are some people making a big deal out of this story!! If he was an ordinary citizen and was killed in this manner it wouldnt have made the Sky news report and this post wouldnt exist. It happens around the world all the time and unfortunately is not mainstream news in a lot of cases - the fact that this person was a soldier Sky news wants to depict him as some sort of hero having returned from a just war which is far from the truth - sympathy for a young person killed on the streets of any town city in the world, yes of course - sympathy for a british soldier returned from a savage one sided staged bloody war - some chance!!
    Staged? Say what you may about the Iraq war but removing the Taliban from power was probably one of the better things Bush did.


  • #69
    digme
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    amacachi wrote: »
    I'm not arguing that it's tragic for him and his family, I'm saying that we're not in a position to pass judgment on the lad who did it. It was a single punch, it was hardly a savage attack.
    Maybe they had an argument about him being in Afghanistan?
    Who knows.


  • #70
    L.Jenkins
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    Killed 7 hours after returning from Afghanistan. Talk about shít luck, poor fella. It's almost surviving cancer and dying from pneumonia.


  • #71
    Biggins
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    amacachi wrote: »
    I'm not arguing that it's tragic for him and his family, I'm saying that we're not in a position to pass judgment on the lad who did it. It was a single punch, it was hardly a savage attack.
    Very true - possibly.
    If it was a single punch, even so still in the eyes of the law, it was broken - and hopefully that person will be held accountable and judged.
    We have only a report to go on so we can only go only the facts that are presented while still maintaining an open mind as to their accuracy.

    Going on a rough ratio myself, I tend to find that those that are willing to kill by punch or kick, do usually turn out to be scumbags anyway by mentality.


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  • #72
    Winty
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    Gaelic32 wrote: »
    sympathy for a british soldier returned from a savage one sided staged bloody war - some chance!!

    He was a young man just like you, Its a shame when anyone dies

    Be Fair, he was English in the British Army, so what.
    Its nothing to be ashamed of for an english man to serve his country


  • #73
    amacachi
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Very true - possibly.
    If it was a single punch, even so still in the eyes of the law, it was broken - and hopefully that person will be held accountable and judged.
    We have only a report to go on so we can only go only the facts that are presented while still maintaining an open mind as to their accuracy.

    Going on a rough ratio myself, I tend to find that those that are willing to kill by punch or kick, do usually turn out to be scumbags anyway by mentality.

    I would agree, but to me I think people should be prosecuted for the crime they commit, not for the result. The fact that he's out on bail suggests it wasn't a cold-blooded murder in the police's/law's eyes.


  • #74
    Biggins
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    amacachi wrote: »
    I would agree, but to me I think people should be prosecuted for the crime they commit, not for the result. The fact that he's out on bail suggests it wasn't a cold-blooded murder in the police's/law's eyes.
    Well we don't know the in's and outs of the bail conditions and in England this week, larger and smaller crime people accused are also out on bail.
    We will just have to wait and see.
    If you punch someone so hard as to not just to injure but to kill (in one violent strike alone!), I don't think that espouses that the person doing it is of a good nature and indicates this big time too.


  • #75
    southsiderosie
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    Gaelic32 wrote: »
    Why are some people making a big deal out of this story!! If he was an ordinary citizen and was killed in this manner it wouldnt have made the Sky news report and this post wouldnt exist. It happens around the world all the time and unfortunately is not mainstream news in a lot of cases - the fact that this person was a soldier Sky news wants to depict him as some sort of hero having returned from a just war which is far from the truth - sympathy for a young person killed on the streets of any town city in the world, yes of course - sympathy for a british soldier returned from a savage one sided staged bloody war - some chance!!

    You don't see the horrible irony of someone who has spent months in a lawless war zone where soldiers are regularly maimed and injured being killed in his hometown in a wealthy stable country within hours of returning to "safety"? And you really can't conjure up an ounce of sympathy for him or his family?

    Hm.

    As for "just wars" and soldiers, don't confuse someone's willingness to serve with a government's decision to send them to war. I have a friend who became a nurse because he wanted to help people, and after years of doing medical missions all over the world, he is now stationed in Afghanistan, where he treats civilians and military personnel alike. And many of the civilians he treats are injured by Taliban bombings.


  • #76
    itsallaboutheL
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    recylingbin wrote: »
    Aren't soldiers supposed to be tough?
    Or is that just the case when they're shoving a machine gun into the face of some poor, downtrodden, unarmed farmer out in whatever country they're invading?

    I'm sick of people using this example.

    I may be poor and downtrodden but i have a double-barrelled shotgun and i know how to use it.

    So fuck off and pick on someone else.. Travellers or dwarves or something.


  • #77
    Deus Ex Machina
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    recylingbin wrote: »
    Aren't soldiers supposed to be tough?
    Or is that just the case when they're shoving a machine gun into the face of some poor, downtrodden, unarmed farmer out in whatever country they're invading?

    Soldiers are tough, and brave, and deserving of praise in the vast majority of cases. Whether you agree with the politics which has them in the warzone doesn't change the fact that they do a very dangerous job that most people would not be up to. Being tough is one thing, being able to survive having your head smashed in is quite another. To deride them in the way you did is extraordinarily ignorant.


  • #78
    amacachi
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Well we don't know the in's and outs of the bail conditions and in England this week, larger and smaller crime people accused are also out on bail.
    We will just have to wait and see.
    If you punch someone so hard as to not just to injure but to kill (in one violent strike alone!), I don't think that espouses that the person doing it is of a good nature and indicates this big time too.

    He hit the ground, I'd be fairly sure it was the way he hit the ground rather than the impact of the punch which caused the injuries.


  • #79
    Biggins
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    amacachi wrote: »
    He hit the ground, I'd be fairly sure it was the way he hit the ground rather than the impact of the punch which caused the injuries.
    We will have to wait for the medical report on that one but it must have been a hell of a punch to put him down ...and this is a trained (even in basics) soldier - who by the way on a British ordinary street, as far as we can tell DIDN'T use his training in a wrong way and fight back but just got struck for his more possible peaceful stance.

    If this now dead man was as "evil" or brutal as some here would have him made out to be (O' he must be - he's in the army :rolleyes: ), he would have wiped the floor with the now accused we can assume - but no, he stayed non-violent, stuck within the law and suffered for it.


  • #80
    Ann22
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    digme wrote: »
    Are you for real???They're idiots.

    What do you mean 'am I for real'? By saying the soldiers over there are a brave bunch? How are they idiots? By joining the army? By following orders?....That's your opinion.

    No I don't think they're idiots. Maybe there are a few d*ckheads among them:D but anyone who goes to a war zone where they're constantly in fear of their lives is brave as fcuk in my opinion.

    It's really sad for a young man to survive war and to die so soon afterwards in the street like that.


  • #81
    tfitzgerald
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    i think its terrible for a young man to come back from a war zone and get killed by a scumbag for no reason i dont care what army he was in he did nor deserve this i hope his young family are o k


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  • #82
    FruitLover
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    recylingbin wrote: »
    Aren't soldiers supposed to be tough?

    Like you'd know anything about it :rolleyes:


  • #83
    amacachi
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    Biggins wrote: »
    We will have to wait for the medical report on that one but it must have been a hell of a punch to put him down ...and this is a trained (even in basics) soldier - who by the way on a British ordinary street, as far as we can tell DIDN'T use his training in a wrong way and fight back but just got struck for his more possible peaceful stance.

    If this now dead man was as "evil" or brutal as some here would have him made out to be (O' he must be - he's in the army :rolleyes: ), he would have wiped the floor with the now accused we can assume - but no, he stayed non-violent, stuck within the law and suffered for it.

    He had gone out for a smoke. From a pub. Anyone can be put down with one thump. Anyone.


  • #84
    Biggins
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    amacachi wrote: »
    He had gone out for a smoke. From a pub. Anyone can be put down with one thump. Anyone.
    If so, to go back to an earlier point, what sort of character strikes a man just going out for a smoke then?

    I'd guess a scumbag! How about you?


  • #85
    amacachi
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    Biggins wrote: »
    If so, to go back to an earlier point, what sort of character strikes a man just going out for a smoke then?

    I'd guess a scumbag! How about you?

    Sweet Jesus Christ above. Based on the witness statement he didn't just walk up and hit him, there was a conversation first. He's a soldier, he knows if he hits someone first there's a fair chance he'll be out on his arse. We don't know what was said, we don't know the circumstances or anything else.
    It's a tragedy for the soldier and his family, that's all any of us know, and I'm not going to pass judgment on anyone based on a short article, the focus of which should be, and is, the loss of a young man and the tragedy that it is for his family.


  • #86
    Biggins
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    amacachi wrote: »
    ...It's a tragedy for the soldier and his family, that's all any of us know, and I'm not going to pass judgment on anyone based on a short article, the focus of which should be, and is, the loss of a young man and the tragedy that it is for his family.
    Absolutely no argument there.
    Going on what is known, I'm opting to think the dead (the pacifist in this incident) is the victim and the attacker is of low calibre.
    Sorry if it grieves you that I think that.


  • #87
    digme
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    Ann22 wrote: »
    What do you mean 'am I for real'? By saying the soldiers over there are a brave bunch? How are they idiots? By joining the army? By following orders?....That's your opinion.

    No I don't think they're idiots. Maybe there are a few d*ckheads among them:D but anyone who goes to a war zone where they're constantly in fear of their lives is brave as fcuk in my opinion.

    It's really sad for a young man to survive war and to die so soon afterwards in the street like that.
    THEY SHOULDN'T BE OVER THERE.Or do you believe they are there to capture the nooooklar bombs that osama has in his cave hideout....


  • #88
    smurgen
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    the U.S and the U.K need to clean up thier own countries before they dictate to the world how they should run their's


  • #89
    Micky Dolenz
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    digme wrote: »
    THEY SHOULDN'T BE OVER THERE.Or do you believe they are there to capture the nooooklar bombs that osama has in his cave hideout....


    They don't choose where they go, they are sent. No doubt these young lads are full of good intentions. The desire to want to defend your nation is nothing to be ashamed of. It's how that nations leaders use those soldiers is another thing. There are idiots alright, but few of them are actually on the ground in these war zones. Most sit behind desks.


  • #90
    Biggins
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    smurgen wrote: »
    the U.S and the U.K need to clean up thier own countries before they dictate to the world how they should run their's
    Nice idea but not going to happen.
    * Thats like saying Fianna Fail should clean up their own act before they should ever govern and preach...
    * Thats like saying Rome should be all cleansed of its sins before attempting to "cry from the pulpit" to the rest of us supposed lower mortals!

    Nice idea but sadly we all know better...


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  • #91
    Erica<3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭Erica<3


    That is horrific, but life is like that. People are taken away from us so quickly and without any notice.


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