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"Hello lads, we're the Guards...", "Hello Guards, we're the lads..."

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  • #62
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    eddie the eagle wrote: »
    thread title reminded me of this storey from a few years back on overheardindublin

    http://www.overheardindublin.com/comment3.php?id=1463

    I knew I'd seen it somewhere before.


  • #63
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    prinz wrote:
    Whoa there. Just maybe the trench coat in the middle of a heat wave gave them a reasonable suspicion, so they weren't violating anyone's rights.

    There's no connection whatsoever between wearing a trench coat and carrying drugs. You don't need a trench coat to conceal drugs ffs.
    genericguy wrote:
    A) there's no such thing as probable cause in ireland

    B) who watches the watchmen?

    re: a - They are only allowed search you if there is reasonable cause for suspicion, just like I said.
    23.—(1) A member of the Garda Síochána who with reasonable cause suspects that a person is in possession in contravention of this Act of a controlled drug, may without warrant—

    [GA] ( a ) search the person and, if he considers it necessary for that purpose, detain the person for such time as is reasonably necessary for making the search

    source: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1977/en/act/pub/0012/sec0023.html#zza12y1977s23

    re:b - Watch them right back. That's the point.


  • #64
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    A Bean Garda once boasted to me in a club that she would drive home with drink taken, claiming she'd be let go if pulled up because she was a guard.

    Never before was the demeaning length to which men will go to for sex more aptly illustrated than that night.


  • #65
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    pwd wrote: »
    There's no connection whatsoever between wearing a trench coat and carrying drugs. You don't need a trench coat to conceal drugs ffs.They are only allowed search you if there is reasonable cause for suspicion, just like I said..

    Reasonable cause to you might not mean wearing a trench coat on a hot July day. To me it would arouse a reasonable suspicion. If you want to go to court and argue that one go ahead, but don't start claiming the gardaí don't the right to stop someone. You have no idea what aroused the suspicion that day.


  • #66
    Bazzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Bazzy


    Offy wrote: »
    Even when they are caught nothing is done. Lets not pretend here, a AGS members and their families dont have to obey the law because there are no punishments for them. The worse they face is a career change.

    This has the potential to be a good thread please don't ruin it

    Please don't upset the piglet


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  • #67
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    eddie the eagle wrote: »
    thread title reminded me of this storey from a few years back on overheardindublin

    http://www.overheardindublin.com/comment3.php?id=1463

    That's probably where I originally read the phrase. Just popped into my head earlier on and cracked me up, couldn't remember where I'd heard it! :D


  • #68
    storm2811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    Ah a few times here & there..bunch of us were in this bus a while ago(not exactly legally) and few dumbasses decided to steal the seats:confused:

    Another time snuck into a nightclub the back way and thought we wouldn't get in too much trouble,but ending up having to go to the station..
    and a few other things..was a bit of a tit a few years ago..:pac:

    Since I live here where everyone knows everyone,the guards are always askin my mam if I've "calmed down" now!


  • #69
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    prinz wrote: »
    Reasonable cause to you might not mean wearing a trench coat on a hot July day. To me it would arouse a reasonable suspicion. If you want to go to court and argue that one go ahead,

    Why would i want to go to court? That makes no sense. You won't go to court for saying you don't want to be searched and asking what reason they have to want to.
    but don't start claiming the gardaí don't the right to stop someone.

    The guards don't have the right to search you for no reason.
    You have no idea what aroused the suspicion that day

    Slapping a boy on the head for talking back to them firmly establishes them as bullies. Starightforward answer is that they had no reason to be suspicious and they were bullying the weird kid in the big jacket. Occam's Razor and whatnot. Did they say someone matching his description was seen buying drugs? No they slapped him on the head when he wanted them to properly identify themelves.


  • #70
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    There's doublethink in some of the arguments here: "Of course the guards were in the right to search him, and you'd better agree with me or you might end up in court!"


  • #71
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    pwd wrote: »
    Why would i want to go to court? That makes no sense. You won't go to court for saying you don't want to be searched and asking what reason they have to want to. The guards don't have the right to search you for no reason.

    Of course it makes sense. If you want to argue the grounds of reasonable suspicion then fight the grounds in court don't go around making claims of what is definitively not grounds for a reasonable suspicion. (a) gardaí found drugs for instance = get your day in court and challenge the stop, (b) gardaí don't find anything - take a case against them and see how easy it is to fight reasonable suspicion. Hint - it's near to impossible.
    pwd wrote: »
    Starightforward answer is that they had no reason to be suspicious and they were bullying the weird kid in the big jacket.

    How do you know they had no reason to be suspicious? Here you are filling people's heads with nonsense like 'they have no right to search you'. Yes they do so much so, especially under the misuse of drugs act that it's virtually impossible to find that their suspicions were unreasonable.


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  • #72
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    pwd wrote: »
    There's doublethink in some of the arguments here: "Of course the guards were in the right to search him, and you'd better agree with me or you might end up in court!"

    LOL :pac:

    Take it to the Legal Discussion forum. I think you'll find that reasonable suspicion is rarely challenged in court simply because in practical terms it's almost impossible to argue against.

    Edit: Here I've done the work for you. See the very last sentence... so no I don't think you can go around telling people that gardaí had no right to stop them.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64953341&postcount=7


  • #73
    x PyRo
    Moderators Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭x PyRo


    Bazzy wrote: »
    Please don't upset the piglet

    :pac:

    I'm not upset, He asked me a question, I answered it.


  • #74
    Stratige
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭Stratige


    Stratige wrote: »
    When I was in secondary school a couple of mates of mine' houses were raided by the drug squad because our principal told the local drug unit they were dealing in the school (and had reason to believe they had a pile of drugs in their homes, what the fúck??).

    This was not true. They were only messers.

    They didn't deserve to be made a show of like that to their whole neighbourhood.

    6 or 7 Garda and 2 sniffer dogs come bursting into the house and into their rooms in the morning while they're asleep, all because they gave their principle a bit of cheek?

    To this day i'am honestly baffled as to how a school principal can get away with something like that.

    They were never into drugs either btw, and nothing was found.
    Anyone any opinions on this?


  • #75
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    prinz wrote: »
    Of course it makes sense. If you want to argue the grounds of reasonable suspicion then fight the grounds in court don't go around making claims of what is definitively not grounds for a reasonable suspicion. (a) gardaí found drugs for instance = get your day in court and challenge the stop, (b) gardaí don't find anything - take a case against them and see how easy it is to fight reasonable suspicion. Hint - it's near to impossible.



    How do you know they had no reason to be suspicious? Here you are filling people's heads with nonsense like 'they have no right to search you'. Yes they do so much so, especially under the misuse of drugs act that it's virtually impossible to find that their suspicions were unreasonable.
    Again, why would I want to go to court? You say yourself you won't get anywhere bringing a case against a guard, yet you are the only one suggesting this course of action.
    I'm not filling people's heads with nonsense at all. I'm suggesting people stand up for their own rights. As I said, and you omitted from the quote, Occam's Razor suggests that the bullies [as shown by slapping a boy's head] were just being bullies. There is no indication that there was anything else up, apart from the coat. I never suggested that they should try escalating things, or going to court - you suggested that ****ing lunacy yourself. I suggested stating, reasonably, that they don't want to be searched, and asking, reasonably, why they want to search him. Bullies pick on people who go along with the bullying. You don't need (or want) to take a court case against them to assert yourself.


  • #76
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    prinz wrote: »
    LOL :pac:

    Take it to the Legal Discussion forum. I think you'll find that reasonable suspicion is rarely challenged in court simply because in practical terms it's almost impossible to argue against.

    Edit: Here I've done the work for you. See the very last sentence... so no I don't think you can go around telling people that gardaí had no right to stop them.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64953341&postcount=7
    And again... you are the only person talking about going to court.
    ffs try to focus on what is actually being said and not your imaginary inner dialogue.


  • #77
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    x PyRo wrote: »
    :pac: Come off it. I don't know what Garda abused you but it's clear you've a chip on your shoulder.

    You think I can go out and do what I want and get away with it ?. If I went and stabbed someone would I get away with it ?. Seriously, The horse is up so high it's clouding your judgement.

    How do you explain Frank Shortt so? An innocent man set up and send to jail for years. What happened to the scum that set him up? How many years did they serve?

    http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2002/08/04/story265602628.asp

    SCUM


  • #78
    cian1500ww
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭cian1500ww


    Nope, had a few close ones with underage drinking but I was a quick runner :D


  • #79
    x PyRo
    Moderators Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭x PyRo


    Offy wrote: »
    How do you explain Frank Shortt so? An innocent man set up and send to jail for years. What happened to the scum that set him up? How many years did they serve?

    http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2002/08/04/story265602628.asp

    SCUM

    They're scum. I've no idea what happened to them, They should of done alot of jail time, But as far as I'm aware my opinion won't change what happened.

    You can't paint them all with the same brush. Did every Garda and all their kids set him up ?. :rolleyes:

    What about the doctors that mistreated their patients ?. Is every single doctor scum because of that ?.

    Your argument has no basis whatsoever.


  • #80
    Kenzi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭Kenzi


    Was parked up one night with the friend parked up beside me in a relatively dark car park.Anyway,we decided to move on and just my luck,the second I turned on my lights,the unmarked passed by and tore up thru the car park to us.3 gaurds hopped out,one stayed in the unmarked car.they come over anyway and start asking questions.then out of nowhere,they gaurd talking to me,went straight for my pocket.I just jumped out of shock and just shouted 'jesus christ man,what are you at?'.He replied,'just checking'.Didnt say anything apart from that to him anyway,he came around to the passenger side of my car,I then saw a pirate dvd and thought to myself oh s@~t,he's guna do me over piracy( :D :P )..anyway,he picked it up and said....'that any good?',couldnt believe it,haha.i was in shock so just said no tis shockin bad u can have it,he just laughed and they went off :D


  • #81
    Stratige
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭Stratige


    Kenzi wrote: »
    Was parked up one night with the friend parked up beside me in a relatively dark car park.Anyway,we decided to move on and just my luck,the second I turned on my lights,the unmarked passed by and tore up thru the car park to us.3 gaurds hopped out,one stayed in the unmarked car.they come over anyway and start asking questions.then out of nowhere,they gaurd talking to me,went straight for my pocket.
    ...standard


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  • #82
    JCDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭JCDUB


    Stratige wrote: »
    Anyone any opinions on this?

    Yeah, fuckin shite state of affairs.

    If I was a parent of one of those lads I'd go down to the school and read the principal the riot act.

    I'd go mental that he had caused the gardaí to be called to my door with no proof and a vague and completely unfounded and untrue notion that my son was drug dealing.

    If it could be proven that he contacted the gardaí I'd go to a board of management meeting and call for his resignation.

    I'd also make sure I quashed any rumours about my son drug dealing and let all the community know what an irresponsible source it came from.


    Back on topic, I had a funny one one night walking home from a 21st. A house on a main road had a few stones or something thrown at it and the gardaí came and lifted me and a couple of others as we were the first of a big group of stragglers coming down the road. (It had nothing to do with us.)

    So we were in the back of the car, think the gardaí knew we had nothing to do with it, and my mate says "Jaysus, how are we gonna get out of this? It'll be like The Great Escape!"

    Garda turns around and says: "The Great Escape??One of my all time favourite movies!Steve McQueen and the motorbikes and all. I was a motorbike garda before this you know...... blah blah" for about 5 minutes, then dropped us home to our estate and said good night.

    I think he forgot why we were in the car:rolleyes:


  • #83
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    When George Dubya flew through Shannon, I was standing in front of a line of Gardai blocking the road with a Palestinian flag getting some photos took when I gets a tap on the shoulder and in an 'ello,ello,ello' type of voice I hear 'tis a long way from home you are buck' and so I turn around, eye to eye, with a dude I went to school with. Ended up chatting away, seeing who could get tickets to the all ireland. Met him later in the day too while there were riot gardai and even a tank milling around, stood chatting then for a while again, but had to go our seperate ways eventually.

    Also got stopped in that tinchy ryanair airport not so near
    Paris and got sniffed out by a doggie and searched by some gendarmes.
    The dog had sniffed my ciggie box which had hours earlier held a stubbed out spliff.:eek:
    Had a raging hangover and explained the story to the cops, who still insisted on checking me and a mate's bags. But we had been in Paris for the weekend playing GAA and drinking and smoking a lot (with a few Guards actually). They believed the story when they found nathin but smelly shorts and socks in the bags.
    Everyone in the airport thought we were dodgy after that, thank fcuk, was wrecked.:rolleyes:
    Also got stopped and searched by the DS on me way back from a local footie match on a sunday afternoon around 1pm. Had been at a party the night before quite close by and had played in the match that morning.
    A buddy of mine was with me and him with the dreadlocks in a sleepy village just stood out.
    I tried to explain that we were only just coming from a game, but still had to search us both. Rifled through bag and found smelly boots, socks etc. again and then went through me pockets. Didn't find the nodge in me watch pocket though:cool:
    Went back to the gaff after and then tore up the road past them on me honda 90 and told all the revellers to go home another route.
    And that's just a few run ins and I'm a good guy, honest:D
    I just got The Look.:cool::eek:


  • #84
    gerrycollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    jesus i must be one lucky fecker.

    in college arrested for knocking on doors v late at night v drunk but the one door we picked was that of a old folks home/mental house oops, had to write a letter of apology got away with it.

    drove around with no tax or insurance for 4 months(couldnt afford it) got stopped at Cornelscourt, garda took sympathy on me and gave me the usual 10 days. i presented in 30 and got away with it.

    was coming out of Macdonalds on the mallow road out of cork the other day with the phone glued to the ear taking to herself and took off at the green light only to have an unmarked behind me who flashed the blue lights, i pulled over, garda came to the window, i said "guilty sorry u got me fair and square" he let me off,

    got caught speeding but only 10kph over teh limit however my old car has only got mph dial on it and got away with it saying i couldnt exactly tell my speed however conditions were v good allowing for max speed.

    only a handful of what i got caught doin.

    oh ya also the night when I used to work in the only night club in town(small town in west ireland) came out one night after having a few after work to find it v late and everyone gone home, so go to the phone box(days well before mobiles) to call my dad as a last resort but both phones were fricked. anyways got the brain way to go to the cop shop to ask to use their phone.

    he was out but message box on door said he back in 10 mins.

    he came back explained my story and he said Im going that way in 10 mins hang on and ill bring you. so here i am 16 years old kinda the worst for wear and a copper is bringign me home thank god its 4am and none of the neighbours are up my mother would die of embarrasment.

    anywas turn out he know my dad etc etc so coming up to house the fecker turns on the blue's and my mother has a heart attack even tho she was just fast asleep. dad saw the funny side thank god.


  • #85
    NothingMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Steodonn wrote: »
    You seemed miss the shot of a kid getting a smack of a baton for not wanting to be separated from his mates
    antomorro-sei wrote: »
    Think, what you meant to say was Gardaí misusing their powers on ordinary football fans. Hooligans is implying they caused trouble. :rolleyes:

    Perhaps using the word hooligans was unwarranted considering I don't have the full story, just the moments I caught. I have edited my post to avoid causing offense or implying anyone was in the wrong.

    I did indeed miss the shot of a kid, or anyone, getting hit with a baton. From what I could see the Gardai arrested 5 or 6 young men and cautioned several more. There was a big melee where it was hard to make out what was happening. I wasn't as close as the photo's would show as I was using a large zoom lens so my field of view was very limited.

    Can anyone fill in the details on what did happen?

    Again, apologies if I caused offense with my poor choice of wording.


  • #86
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    So one day I was driving along when this lunatic driver overtook me with oncoming traffic forcing me to brake and swerve and nearly go out of control.

    Up the road at traffic lights I jumped out and was in a mad tear and just opens his door and "what the f*ck d'ya think ya was doing back there you wán*er. I was just about to pull him out of the car when the other lad roars calm down jaysus christ were guards and flashes his badge. Oh right so, are ye in pursuit says I, yerra no, were going for lunch! Oh right so and gets back into my car wanting to bang my head off a wall!

    Another funny time after the All-Ireland against Mayo in 2006 a friend of mine lost another friend in the crowd and walks up to two guards and says "Guard, did ya see Mick from Scartaglin anywhere, I can't find the fecker" Guard grins and replies "He was looking for you there earlier and hes gone down the street there", the other fool goes running then to find Mick.

    As if a strange Guard in Dublin should know his friend Mick!!! I was in stitches and the guard was pretty perplexed by the whole situation while the bangarda with him say the funny side and said to me, "he enjoys the one day out in the year I see".


  • #87
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Offy wrote: »
    Even when they are caught nothing is done. Lets not pretend here, a AGS members and their families dont have to obey the law because there are no punishments for them. The worse they face is a career change.

    Sweet, so I can murder you so you'll stop spouting this crap and I'll get off completely free right? That deal sounds to good, must be some catch.


  • #88
    Sonnenblumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    genericguy wrote: »
    B) who watches the watchmen?

    BIG Brother


  • #89
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    x PyRo wrote: »
    They're scum. I've no idea what happened to them, They should of done alot of jail time, But as far as I'm aware my opinion won't change what happened.

    You can't paint them all with the same brush. Did every Garda and all their kids set him up ?. :rolleyes:

    What about the doctors that mistreated their patients ?. Is every single doctor scum because of that ?.

    Your argument has no basis whatsoever.

    As it happens I have issues with the medical profession too!

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/drug-error-damaged-brain-of-mothertobe-393834.html

    In the whole country not one single doctor would testify against another doctor even after the fool distroyed someones life. The cops in Ireland are the exact same. They all stick together and screw joe public.


  • #90
    kieran26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭kieran26


    in the aiport in rome myself and my friends were pulled aside in the main lobby of the airport by cops with submachine guns and made wait there surrounded by these guys while they ran all our passports through interpol it took about fifteen minutes,and there was no banter out of them at all ,nearly missed our flight because of it


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  • #91
    x PyRo
    Moderators Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭x PyRo


    Offy wrote: »
    As it happens I have issues with the medical profession too!

    In the whole country not one single doctor would testify against another doctor even after the fool distroyed someones life. The cops in Ireland are the exact same. They all stick together and screw joe public.

    Lol, I think we'll end this discussion here! It has been off topic for long enough, All the best.


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