<MEGA MERGE> General Head Shop discussion thread. Read posts # 1 & 1014

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Ok, care to explain how one goes about banning legal substances merely on the suspicion that they could be used 'psychoactively' when they remain legal for other purposes, and when other demonstrably psychoactive substances such as alcohol are not intended to be banned by this legislation?
How does one ban a substance yet permit it to be used a food flavouring?
I suggest that legislation based on what the government have said today is unimplementable.

I'm pretty sure it says that you shouldn't inhale aerosols directly on the can.
It says the same thing on correction fluid.
Actually all solvents come with that warning.

Maybe they should ban them all in case someone uses them for a purpose other than the ones prescribed.

FFS

General Zod wrote: »

Talk to Joe. gonna be a humdinger today.

anti head shop protestor on joe duffy wrote:

"If I was a drinker I would be off to the pubs to celebrate"

now what'll be the next moral panic for middle ireland ?

vinylmesh wrote: »

One thing i will say is that by their opening in more and more open locations, selling snortable cocaine-replacements and staying open till 4am, headshops kinda brought this on themselves.
With a little forward thinking they could have avoided all this fuss. Instead they went to maximise short term profits. I somehow doubt many of these headshop owners really care about drug legalisation. They're probably laughing all the way to the bank.

I think in part they got so cocky because they were told that this was coming, so they attempted to shift stock and max profits at any cost. That's capitalism in action.
Personally, I'd happily see the back of these substances until at the very least there was some harm-assessment studies done into them, and preferably longitudinal studies too.
These are experimental substances and there is no knowing the long-term effects, unlike with existing illegal substances such as cannabis (and yes, even cocaine and heroin) where human usage is lengthy and crucially we know what they do to the human body and know the risks thereof.
The drug dealers of Ireland will be laughing now that they'll get their customers back. One wonders if that was the intention of the government?

Biggins wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0511/headshops.html



O' good - I await to see alcohol, tobacco, even the likes of Redbull and variants to be added to that so called list!

What a heap of convenient, rushed in thoughtless schite!

(...But the above can't be banned for they are creating revenue to keep the bastards in the Dail also stocked up with their pensions too - or maybe a directorship or two when they get out of politics down the line?)

......along with the fact that many backbenchers are publicans...

common sense: lump alcohol in there lads, its just as bad.

government: its not

common sense: err it actually is.

government: but sure dont we all like a drink?


i'm nearly blue in the face saying it: show me someone who's taken a drink or smoked a fag and wants head shop products banned and i'll show you a hypocrite


ffs people, educate and regulate!!!

what a stupid ignorant country we live in.

Just heard on the news that there are reports of various head shops across the country already closing down.

Well done Minister Harney...a few more there for the live register.

that faint cheer you can hear is the sound of drug dealers celebrating...

barrackali wrote: »

In secret? You have known for a long time that this was coming down the tracks. I know there are probably some loopholes in this legislation, but I also know it's a step that had to be taken.

I find it astonishing how you ignore every valid argument against yours on this thread.

ibarelycare wrote: »

Just heard on the news that there are reports of various head shops across the country already closing down.

Well done Minister Harney...a few more there for the live register.

Good, I couldn't give a dam, better that than a possible scenario that has already happened in the UK....dead kids.

I find watching Harney wax self-righteous for more than ten second has a powerful psychoactive effect. I dream of kicking her in her big schneery face repeatedly. Therefore, I respectfully suggest that the possession or distribution of Harney, or Harney deriviatives, should be outlawed.

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barrackali wrote: »

Good, I couldn't give a dam, better that than a possible scenario that has already happened in the UK....dead kids.

Because that never happened with illegal drugs :rolleyes:.

Taken from newscientist;

While mephedrone has been loudly implicated in at least 27 deaths in the UK and Guernsey, its presence has been confirmed in just 11 of these cases and found by coroners to be a contributing factor in just two, according to a report produced by John Corkery of the National Programme on Substance Abuse Deaths, based in St George's, University of London.

That's not to say i endorse the snorting of mephedrone, I don't. But I'd like to see pills containing tested substances legalised.