<MEGA MERGE> General Head Shop discussion thread. Read posts # 1 & 1014

skelliser

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Health Minister Mary Harney is to bring an Order to Government today banning a number of substances available in head shops with immediate effect.

It follows approval for the measure from the European Commission yesterday.

The substances will be banned under the Misuse of Drugs Act and the Order is expected to be signed later today.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0511/headshops.html

The substances that will be banned:

The list of the substances by common name is:

synthetic cannabinoids (contained in SPICE products)

benzylpiperazine (BZP) and piperazine derivatives

mephedrone, methylone methedrone, butylone, flephedrone, and MDPV

GBL and 1,4 BD


GBL and 1,4BD are legitimately used in a number of industries including in
chemicals and pharmaceuticals. It will now be an offence to import,
export, produce, supply or possess these substances where they are to be
used for the purpose of human ingestion (other than as a flavouring in
food).

Penalties:

“Their possession and supply are now illegal and subject to criminal
sanction of:
up to 7 years imprisonment and/or a fine for unlawful possession,
and,
on indictment, up to a maximum period of life imprisonment for
unlawful supply.

“This means that the reckless, irresponsible people who have sold and
promoted them must safely dispose of every product containing even one of
the substances immediately. Otherwise they could face criminal
prosecution. They cannot sell, supply, possess or distribute this stock,
with effect from the start of today, 11th May.

The above is a press release.

andy winter

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0511/headshops.html


Dopes :rolleyes:

ibarelycare

I presume the producers can now just start making new products with substances that are still legal?

Placebo

rather this than teenagers off their face on mephedrone

The Master

Multiple threads merged

ibarelycare

Placebo wrote: »

rather this than teenagers off their face on mephedrone

Rather teenagers off their heads on mephedrone than the lining of drugdealers' pockets.

bonerm

She should announce an immediate criminal ban on pie-shop products. I mean *look* at her! She's, ya know, fat and stuff.

(I just thought I'd get it out of the way)

skelliser

.......

Joey the lips

About time she done something right....

mikom

skelliser wrote: »

Health Minister Mary Harney is to bring an Order to Government today banning a number of substances available in head shops with immediate effect.

Probably the ones that are appetite suppressants.

FlutterinBantam

'Did' Joey, not done.

About time she has done something ....

msg11

Placebo wrote: »

rather this than teenagers off their face on mephedrone

Where cause I never seen anyone off there face? And how can you prove they were not under another drug?

Drink, Weed, Coke.

I rather, people not getting ****ing shot on the streets or gangsters lining there pockets.

Placebo

ibarelycare wrote: »

Rather teenagers off their heads on mephedrone than the lining of drugdealers' pockets.

have you ever been offered cocaine ? i certainly have not. With MDMA out of the question and ecstacy having a terrible hangover name for itself, its better this way.

msg11 wrote: »

Where cause I never seen anyone off there face? And how can you prove they were not under another drug?

Drink, Weed, Coke.

I rather, people not getting ****ing shot on the streets or gangsters lining there pockets.

alot of people i know do it. And the intake and usage sky rocketed as they would party through out the night and wait for head shops to open at 10 and go buy some more. Same cannot be said for illegal drugs, drug dealers dont hang around the 'corners' with shoes hangin from telephone wires.

get out more.

AKA pat sheen

Synthetic cannabinoids? Wtf?? Is that reporter speak or are they honestly signing off a law with that definition?

ibarelycare

Placebo wrote: »

have you ever been offered cocaine ? i certainly have not. With MDMA out of the question and ecstacy having a terrible hangover name for itself, its better this way.

Eh, yes What's your point?

Illegal drugs are practically as easy to buy as legal drugs. The government are losing out on vital tax money by criminalizing these "legal highs" and are also encouraging criminal activity.

Sanjuro

Brilliant. The drug dealers will be rejoycing. Rather than try and approach the problem rationally, they just slap a ban on everything, forcing those who really want it to go seek drugs from criminals. Forward thinking by the government, yet again.

Placebo

ibarelycare wrote: »

Eh, yes What's your point?

Illegal drugs are practically as easy to buy as legal drugs. The government are losing out on vital tax money by criminalizing these "legal highs" and are also encouraging criminal activity.

demographically, that statement is questionable.
If you have contacts you can get illegal substances, other wise legal drugs are an easy outlet. As described in my previous post.

punchdrunk

agreed lets just tax the ****ers to death!

Joey the lips

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

'Did' Joey, not done.

About time she has done something ....

:P

You got the pint anyway.

PK2008

Bubble baths will never be the same

Funkfield

ibarelycare wrote: »

I presume the producers can now just start making new products with substances that are still legal?

Hopefully

alastair

BZP was already banned at EU level last year, wasn't it?

Cacti seem to have escaped the net - cue the next wave of hysteria.

Biggins

ibarelycare wrote: »

I presume the producers can now just start making new products with substances that are still legal?

Its exactly what they will do and already has been reported to be happening.

brianthebard

Placebo wrote: »

With MDMA out of the question and ecstacy having a terrible hangover name for itself, its better this way.

Same drug, you ought to try doing a bit more research.

Minister Harney, Irish liberalism at its finest.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Another reason to be thankful I got the **** out.

Cherrycola

Placebo wrote: »

demographically, that statement is questionable.
If you have contacts you can get illegal substances, other wise legal drugs are an easy outlet. As described in my previous post.

I agree completely. Headshops were targeting kids who would probably not seek out illegal drugs anyway, and probably still wont if these legal highs are banned.

Funkfield

Banning some of the best source of revenue the country has seen in years......

...a genius stroke! Masterful!

Oh Harney, is there anything you can't do?!?!

barrackali

Delighted to hear of this news, I can't believe I'm actually with a measure taken by Mary Harney.

danniemcq

so let me get this straight i could rape my daughters, stab someone be in a criminal gang get arrested and be out in a couple years max but if i smoke anything from this banlist i can get 7 years and the guys in the shop can get life?


yeah that makes sense to me too

danniemcq

Funkfield wrote: »

Banning some of the best source of revenue the country has seen in years......

...a genius stroke! Masterful!

Oh Harney, is there anything you can't do?!?!

look at her toes without using a mirror?

AKA pat sheen

skelliser, can you link to that press release directly?

Biggins

I suppose Harney and co are trying to be seen doing something in their ever shortening period of power.
Now if the cnuts could only get around to actually doing something more important like addressing childrens rights with an already overdue referendum, addressing fathers rights by updating them from the dark ages and/or addressing the critical mess the fcukers have helped make of our medical services - they might be more fcukin' use - O' and while your at it ya useless schites, give those involved, their 3 by-elections, you spineless, shower of cowardly cnuts!

alastair

GBL and 1,4BD are legitimately used in a number of industries including in
chemicals and pharmaceuticals. It will now be an offence to import,
export, produce, supply or possess these substances where they are to be
used for the purpose of human ingestion (other than as a flavouring in
food).

I'm seeing a pretty obvious loophole here. Spacecake anyone? It's chock full of yummy GBL and 1,4BD.

Funkfield

barrackali wrote: »

Delighted to hear of this news, I can't believe I'm actually with a measure taken by Mary Harney.

At the risk of sending this thread spiraling.....why do you agree with her?

Do you have a good reason for being on her side?

mikom

danniemcq wrote: »

look at her toes without using a mirror?

This little piggy went to market,
This little piggy stayed at home,
This little piggy got off his tits on good ol' mephedrone.

Biggins

Funkfield wrote: »

At the risk of sending this thread spiralling.....why do you agree with her?
Do you have a good reason for being on her side?

Are you serious?
There are more pressing, more much longer outstanding issues waiting to be sorted out then this public "seen to be doing something" PR schite!

120_Minutes

Cherrycola wrote: »

I agree completely. Headshops were targeting kids who would probably not seek out illegal drugs anyway, and probably still wont if these legal highs are banned.

Objection your honour, generalisation. not all headshops are the badly run den of scum that you, the government and joe "terrible terrible terrible" duffy think they are.

fat bitch harney wrote:

'These substances are dangerous and their sale and promotion have caused huge anxiety to families and communities throughout the country,

you could say that about booze and fags, but they're still here.


hypocrites one and all.

MJRS

More money for criminals, wahey! How exactly did the head shops target kids? They haven't exactly changed their approach, or even adopted one at all, in recent memory. If anything, the media frenzy created a draw for kids, give a teenager a way to rebel and they'll do it. There wasn't exactly an air of rebellion surrounding legal drugs, or else salvia etc. would be on the list of bannings. This is just the government getting an easy 'win' against drugs, because they can't do anything about the illegal drugs. Embarassing that people are hailing this as some great victory really.

Biggins

Originally Posted by fat bitch harney
'...caused huge anxiety to families and communities throughout the country,

Did she say that?
Fcuk that - the Irish people could say the same about her more so, big time!
What a fcukin' hypocrite! Pot calling the kettle black!

ScumLord

Placebo wrote: »

have you ever been offered cocaine ? i certainly have not. With MDMA out of the question and ecstacy having a terrible hangover name for itself, its better this way.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean it doesn't make much sense.

alot of people i know do it. And the intake and usage sky rocketed as they would party through out the night and wait for head shops to open at 10 and go buy some more. Same cannot be said for illegal drugs, drug dealers dont hang around the 'corners' with shoes hangin from telephone wires.

get out more.

No, the drug dealer usually hangs out at the house party, he sleeps most of the day and is up all night because those are he's working hours. He'll travel to meet you, unlike the inconsiderate headshops.

barrackali

Funkfield wrote: »

At the risk of sending this thread spiraling.....why do you agree with her?

Do you have a good reason for being on her side?

I absolutely support her on this matter....is that clear enough for you. Sorry, but I'm not going to support a load of scumbag head shop owners...they can eat all of their mind altering drugs.

Btw, poor Ming Flanagan is on Newstalk at the moment.

Rowley Birkin QC

Anyone else find the picture RTE used for the story more than a bit hilarious?

Sea Sharp

So is it just the Spice canaboids being banned or is it all of them?

ibarelycare

barrackali wrote: »

I absolutely support her on this matter....is that clear enough for you. Sorry, but I'm not going to support a load of scumbag head shop owners...they can eat all of their mind altering drugs.

Btw, poor Ming Flanagan is on Newstalk at the moment.

What???? How are head shop owners scumbags? Because they sell mild-altering substances? In that case, are publicans and off licence owners scumbags too? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You do know that it's the scumbag DRUG DEALERS that are going to gain from this?




BTW, you never stated why exactly you support her when someone asked you the question.

AKA pat sheen

http://www.dohc.ie/press/releases/ Where is the press release for this?

Cavehill Red

Oh dear.
There are more loopholes in this than in a large slice of gruyere cheese.
This is kneejerk legislation, ill-advised, rushed and unlikely to achieve its purpose.
These substances have been banned on the basis of harm caused, while the government's official research into them was prevented from considering the degree of harm they cause.
And Ahern's ridiculous attempt to legislate against substances that remain legal (on the basis that they could be psychoactive) is beyond ludicrous and impossible to implement.
Will he be banning nutmeg? What about alcohol? I predict this nonsense will be easily circumvented and the government will continue to look ridiculous on this issue.
How about licensing and decriminalising those substances which we have done harm studies on, and which proved not to be particularly harmful?
I'm thinking of actual cannabis (not dubious synthetics) and MDMA, both of which the Lancet medical journal found to be way less harmful than legal substances (like tobacco and alcohol) and prescriptive drugs (tranqs, methadone, etc).

Prof.Badass

Cherrycola wrote: »

I agree completely. Headshops were targeting kids who would probably not seek out illegal drugs anyway, and probably still wont if these legal highs are banned.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not....

The reality is that a substantial proportion of people are interested in trying drugs. A substantial proportion are not.

Those who have no interest in trying drugs are not going to visit a headshop.

Sierra Oscar

Cavehill Red wrote: »

There are more loopholes in this than in a large slice of gruyere cheese.
This is kneejerk legislation, ill-advised, rushed and unlikely to achieve its purpose.

How do we know there are, have we seen the actual legislation yet? As far as I can tell we have only seen a PR so far . . .

alastair wrote: »

. . . cue the next wave of hysteria.

Seems to be right here on Boards.ie!

brianthebard

barrackali wrote: »

I absolutely support her on this matter....is that clear enough for you. Sorry, but I'm not going to support a load of scumbag head shop owners...they can eat all of their mind altering drugs.

He asked why, not repeat yourself.

Funkfield

Biggins wrote: »

Are you serious?
There are more pressing, more much longer outstanding issues waiting to be sorted out then this public "seen to be doing something" PR schite!

Exactly!

This is a shallow, thoughtless moved aimed at garnering votes from a vocal minority.

Squeezing in high-media moves before they slip away into obscurity.....



...on massive pensions

120_Minutes

barrackali wrote: »

I absolutely support her on this matter....is that clear enough for you. Sorry, but I'm not going to support a load of scumbag head shop owners...they can eat all of their mind altering drugs.

Btw, poor Ming Flanagan is on Newstalk at the moment.

again more generalisation.

please furnish me with proof that all headshop owners are scumbags.

i'll save you some time, you wont find any, cos they're not.



sheeple following hypocrites.

ignorance wins again..... :rolleyes: