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Are all degrees created equal?

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  • #242
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    Jeebus wrote: »
    I was going to study medicine in Trinity, but decided against it on the basis that the Medicine course they run there has quite a bad reputation.

    If you decided against trinity on that basis alone then that was a poor decision. Bad reputation my arse.
    Clearly they do teach a good course in trolling though so...kudos.
    And yes, TCD forum has the best trolls.


  • #243
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Jeebus wrote: »
    Was accepted into UCC, which was my first choice. Decided to do a computing degree first, since I enjoy programming. Will probably try and go into graduate medicine after (definitely will attempt it, at least), if I don't get in, I will go for the undergrad course and then hopefully work in research - the reasoning behind my incredibly expensive education ! :p

    Why didn't you do something like physiology/ biochemistry/ pharmacology, etc., it you want to do GEM?


  • #244
    Jeebus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Jeebus


    mardybumbum wrote: »
    If you decided against trinity on that basis alone then that was a poor decision. Bad reputation my arse.


    And yes, TCD forum has the best trolls.

    I don't feel it was, fair play if you're doing medicine there ! Not for me though ! :)
    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    Why didn't you do something like physiology/ biochemistry/ pharmacology, etc., it you want to do GEM?

    I have very particular interests with regards to medicine and the areas I would like to work in! That is to say I would like to come from a technology based/computer background and, from there, pick up all my knowledge of physiology/biochem/pharmacology. It would be like cheating to do them before I get in ! ;) Also, I like a challenge.

    Are you studying medicine at the moment ? :)


  • #245
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Jeebus wrote: »
    I don't feel it was, fair play if you're doing medicine there ! Not for me though ! :)



    I have very particular interests with regards to medicine and the areas I would like to work in! That is to say I would like to come from a technology based/computer background and, from there, pick up all my knowledge of physiology/biochem/pharmacology. It would be like cheating to do them before I get in ! ;) Also, I like a challenge.

    Are you studying medicine at the moment ? :)
    Nope I'm doing Th. Physics, but I know a lot of people who do biology/ chemistry related subjects who want to do GEM after their degree.


  • #246
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    Jeebus wrote: »
    Not for me though ! :)

    Medicine in general, or medicine in TCD?

    What's your opinion on NUIG, UCD, RCSI?


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  • #247
    Jeebus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Jeebus


    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    Nope I'm doing Th. Physics, but I know a lot of people who do biology/ chemistry related subjects who want to do GEM after their degree.

    Ah, I was considering doing this for a brief period as well ! I'd love to be able for the maths in it, but it's meant to be something else altogether. Yeah, I know most of my friends who want to do it as a postgrad did Biochem, puts them in a better positon for the GAMSAT, but I will be working an insane amount :).
    mardybumbum wrote: »
    Medicine in general, or medicine in TCD?

    What's your opinion on NUIG, UCD, RCSI?

    Medicine in TCD. As in, if I had a choice between studying medicine in any of the above colleges, TCD would be my last choice because of the reputation the course has abroad. I would prefer to go to any of the other colleges. Well, it might edge RCSI because the place is soulless, it would depend on my mood !


  • #248
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    TCD medicine has one of the best, if not the best international reputation between all the other Irish medical schools.
    Are you sure you are not confusing it with another institution?


  • #249
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Not sure what a dude doing computer science in UCC knows about the quality of medical degrees. Did you read on a message forum that TCD isn't as good as elsewhere?

    Truly bizarre stuff.


  • #250
    Jeebus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Jeebus


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Not sure what a dude doing computer science in UCC knows about the quality of medical degrees. Did you read on a message forum that TCD isn't as good as elsewhere?

    Truly bizarre stuff.

    I don't see why it is in any way bizarre, to be honest. I am not commenting on the quality of the education, just the reputation.

    What does it matter what degree I do if I am able to do the research ? Incidentally the majority of my family is doing medicine, and, as such, I am in touch with people who work in the area quite frequently and hear many firsthand reports. I've also done Summer course in several universities and have friends doing Medicine everywhere in Ireland. So it's not like I'm just coming on here blagging about it and I don't appreciate the attitude you are taking in your responses, to be honest.
    TCD medicine has one of the best, if not the best international reputation between all the other Irish medical schools.
    Are you sure you are not confusing it with another institution?

    Yes, I am quite sure, but we're obviously not going to agree ! I'm guessing you're doing Medicine in Trinity ? I'm sure its a fantastic course, it just isn't what I'd pick if given the choice, especially given the areas I want to work in ! :) I'm sure for other areas it would be perfect for other people, however !


  • #251
    evercloserunion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Not sure what a dude doing computer science in UCC knows about the quality of medical degrees. Did you read on a message forum that TCD isn't as good as elsewhere?

    Truly bizarre stuff.
    What's bizarre is that this shyte has gone on for 17 pages.


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  • #252
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    evercloserunion wrote: »
    What's bizarre is that this shyte has gone on for 17 pages.

    lol ah of course because only people who have done a course are allowed comment on it


  • #253
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    Jeebus wrote: »
    Yes, I am quite sure, but we're obviously not going to agree ! I'm guessing you're doing Medicine in Trinity ? I'm sure its a fantastic course, it just isn't what I'd pick if given the choice, especially given the areas I want to work in ! :) I'm sure for other areas it would be perfect for other people, however !

    Ok, but I was interested in finding out why you wouldn't choose it. I think you recieved the wrong information regarding its reputatation, whether it be from a family member or friend.
    Anyway, I must go play a gig now.
    Best of luck with GEM or whatever you decide to do.


  • #254
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    Jeebus wrote: »
    Was accepted into UCC, which was my first choice. Decided to do a computing degree first, since I enjoy programming. Will probably try and go into graduate medicine after (definitely will attempt it, at least), if I don't get in, I will go for the undergrad course and then hopefully work in research - the reasoning behind my incredibly expensive education ! :p

    Why are you wasting your time studying computers if you want to be a medical doctor? Would you not just repeat the leaving cert? It'll cost you around €15k a year in fees alone to do GEM.


  • #255
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    Jeebus wrote: »
    Lol, fail.

    You do realise Trinity has an awful reputation for a lot of its courses, in Ireland and abroad ? I was going to study medicine in Trinity, but decided against it on the basis that the Medicine course they run there has quite a bad reputation.

    Clearly they do teach a good course in trolling though so...kudos.

    Oh you're so superior. All those 600 points people and Arabs forking out €10,000s of Euro must be a bunch of idiots. Not to mention the entire faculty while you're at it.


  • #256
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    You implied a very close link between the pulling power of a university and the quality of its teaching. This, as anyone who actually attended a university would know, is not necessarily true. On another irrelevant and meaningless note (but hopefully not incoherent this time around) a British Trinity fellow told me he applied for his position over all other institutes in Ireland due to its non-Roman Catholic and non-nationalist history. Some prejudices are more acceptable than other its seems.

    So? Perhaps his faith is particularly important to him and he decdided that Trinity offers him a more spiritual and collegiate environment to work in. It's good to be surrounded by people and work in a place that you are culturally familiar with. Easier to forge deep connections with people. Either that or be surrounded by sneering "nationalist" types who wouldn't go to Trinity because of what a certain Archbishop McQuaid said. I wouldn't like to work in a college with a Muslim ethos. The point is - we're not all the same. People as well as colleges.

    Also, seeing as you have no defence for your "empty headed" remark, I can safely assume that you are a bigot.


  • #257
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    Valentino Strong Beeswax wrote: »
    (and I hasten to add that Trinity isn't a university, it's a 'college')

    In that sentence you've just exposed your lack of precise knowledge for the idiosyncratic differences between the college and the university in the context of Trinity, Dublin.


  • #258
    Jeebus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Jeebus


    Openmp wrote: »
    Oh you're so superior. All those 600 points people and Arabs forking out €10,000s of Euro must be a bunch of idiots. Not to mention the entire faculty while you're at it.

    Never said they were idiots. Are you drunk by any chance ? The way you are replying seems to be indicative of such. I am doing computers first because my passion is for computers and medicine and I am unsure which area I would like to work in. I never claimed to be superior, I was merely replying to somebody who thought that because they went to TCD they were superior. Which they blatantly are not.
    Ok, but I was interested in finding out why you wouldn't choose it. I think you recieved the wrong information regarding its reputatation, whether it be from a family member or friend.
    Anyway, I must go play a gig now.
    Best of luck with GEM or whatever you decide to do.

    Perhaps, I will be looking into it a lot more when it becomes a bigger deal for me I suppose ! :) Thanks a lot, best of luck with your gig!


  • #259
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    Jeebus wrote: »
    Never said they were idiots. Are you drunk by any chance ? The way you are replying seems to be indicative of such. I am doing computers first because my passion is for computers and medicine and I am unsure which area I would like to work in. I never claimed to be superior, I was merely replying to somebody who thought that because they went to TCD they were superior. Which they blatantly are not.



    Perhaps, I will be looking into it a lot more when it becomes a bigger deal for me I suppose ! :) Thanks a lot, best of luck with your gig!

    I hope daddy's rich. Banks don't give unsecured loans to students anymore. Particularly when the HSE now pay buttons to newly qualified doctors. Stick to the computers mate.


  • #260
    Jeebus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Jeebus


    Openmp wrote: »
    I hope daddy's rich. Banks don't give unsecured loans to students anymore. Particularly when the HSE now pay buttons to newly qualified doctors. Stick to the computers mate.

    I have been saving :)

    The sour grapes of some people on the internets is hilarious sometimes :D.

    Thanks for making my day ! :)


  • #261
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Openmp wrote: »
    Oh you're so superior. All those 600 points people and Arabs forking out €10,000s of Euro must be a bunch of idiots. Not to mention the entire faculty while you're at it.
    The only person on this thread with a superiority complex is you.


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  • #262
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Openmp wrote: »
    So? Perhaps his faith is particularly important to him and he decdided that Trinity offers him a more spiritual and collegiate environment to work in. It's good to be surrounded by people and work in a place that you are culturally familiar with. Easier to forge deep connections with people. Either that or be surrounded by sneering "nationalist" types who wouldn't go to Trinity because of what a certain Archbishop McQuaid said. I wouldn't like to work in a college with a Muslim ethos. The point is - we're not all the same. People as well as colleges.

    Also, seeing as you have no defence for your "empty headed" remark, I can safely assume that you are a bigot.

    I don't need to defend the empty headed remark. There are empty headed individuals in all courses and institutions, nothing bigoted about it chief.


  • #263
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    :rolleyes: trinity is a university, in fact its irelands oldest university

    also the person your talking to dosnt currently attend trinity if you did actually read all of his posts you would have noticed were he goes

    Correct me if I'm wrong...but I was under the impression that Trinity was the second or third oldest university in the world...nevermind just ireland.

    mardybumbum wrote: »
    TCD medicine has one of the best, if not the best international reputation between all the other Irish medical schools.
    Are you sure you are not confusing it with another institution?

    Eh no Ted.
    RCSI is by a long way the best known Irish medical school internationally, in part because many of the graduates are foreign. Also in part because RCSI now have colleges in several other countries. Whilst for most things I agree that TCD is the best known Irish college abroad, when it comes to medicine RCSI is.


  • #264
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    mardybumbum wrote: »
    TCD medicine has one of the best, if not the best international reputation between all the other Irish medical schools.
    Are you sure you are not confusing it with another institution?

    The RSCI (Royal College of Surgeons) actually specialise most of their resources in the education and research of medicine and other health related disciplines. Does Trinity do the same? Also I heard that the RSCI is expanding its campus onto the north side of Dublin.


  • #265
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    opinion guy wrote: »
    Eh no Ted.
    RCSI is by a long way the best known Irish medical school internationally, in part because many of the graduates are foreign. Also in part because RCSI now have colleges in several other countries. Whilst for most things I agree that TCD is the best known Irish college abroad, when it comes to medicine RCSI is.

    How are ya Ted.
    Perhaps you need to read my post again. There is a difference between being known and being respected. I am well aware that RCSI is well known internationally, even more so than TCD.
    Myself and Jeebus were discussing reputation, not familiarity.
    To state that the TCD school of medicine has a bad reputation abroad is a load of ****e.
    I apologise if my grammer or spelling is a bit off, I had a few pints during the gig earlier.

    Edit: @Killer Pigeon; how else would RCSI utilise their resources? The only degrees they bestow are in health science. They are hardly going to spend money on researching music education.


  • #266
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Openmp wrote: »
    the HSE now pay buttons to newly qualified doctors. Stick to the computers mate.

    .. you know newly qualified doctors might get paid buttons but I would have thought that being in a position to save someone's life would have been one of the greatest rewards.

    It's really saving someone life -vs- saving a computer from crashing.

    What would you choose?


  • #267
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,105 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    .. you know newly qualified doctors might get paid buttons but I would have thought that being in a position to save someone's life would have been one of the greatest rewards.

    It's really saving someone life -vs- saving a computer from crashing.

    What would you choose?

    At one point (back in the heydays of the Celtic Tiger) Ireland was the largest software producer in the world (ahead of colossi such as India or the US). IT is a key industry in Ireland Inc. Unfortunately not enough smart people are attracted to studying computer science nowadays - points falling below 300 nowadays... but as it is a key industry for Ireland one would think that it is hugely important for everyone in Ireland that we have a supply of well trained computer scientists or else the FDI leaves.

    Every job is of importance - even garbage disposal technicians :p take away our filth and perform a key task in our society. Computer science most definitely isn't just about menial tasks such as punching in code - how would you like to design the system that keeps aircraft in the sky? Or the database system that stores all those patients' medical records? Both obliquely also keep people alive ;)


  • #268
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    mardybumbum wrote: »
    How are ya Ted.
    Perhaps you need to read my post again. There is a difference between being known and being respected. I am well aware that RCSI is well known internationally, even more so than TCD.
    Myself and Jeebus were discussing reputation, not familiarity.
    To state that the TCD school of medicine has a bad reputation abroad is a load of ****e.
    I apologise if my grammer or spelling is a bit off, I had a few pints during the gig earlier.

    Edit: @Killer Pigeon; how else would RCSI utilise their resources? The only degrees they bestow are in health science. They are hardly going to spend money on researching music education.

    Lets kick bishop brennan up the arse :P
    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    .. you know newly qualified doctors might get paid buttons but I would have thought that being in a position to save someone's life would have been one of the greatest rewards.

    It's really saving someone life -vs- saving a computer from crashing.

    What would you choose?

    Well you are hardly comparing like with like. In It you generally work 9 to 5 in a nice office and get to have coffee when you feel like it. If you are a doctor workign for the HSE you generally have to slave for all the hours God sends, do menial tasks like fetch xrays all day because the HSE has chronically underfunded into stuff like IT systems, put up with dogs abuse from patients, senior doctors, nurses, porters, janitors/ everyone. Occasionally save someones life. Which one would you chose ?


  • #269
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    .. you know newly qualified doctors might get paid buttons but I would have thought that being in a position to save someone's life would have been one of the greatest rewards.

    It's really saving someone life -vs- saving a computer from crashing.

    What would you choose?

    Who designs, builds and commissions dialisis machines? Or respiratory systems? An NUI graduate who has a handy HSE job in Sligo?

    Medical equipment undergoes huge scrutiny and testing and has to have a factor of safety similar to that in a nuclear power plant.

    We live in an inter-linked mesh. Doctors, while important, aren't as important as they think their salaries should be. Without the nurses, you're focked.


  • #270
    Openmp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Openmp


    opinion guy wrote: »
    Well you are hardly comparing like with like. In It you generally work 9 to 5 in a nice office and get to have coffee when you feel like it. If you are a doctor workign for the HSE you generally have to slave for all the hours God sends, do menial tasks like fetch xrays all day because the HSE has chronically underfunded into stuff like IT systems, put up with dogs abuse from patients, senior doctors, nurses, porters, janitors/ everyone. Occasionally save someones life. Which one would you chose ?

    Surely you should have thought about that before you signed up? Why didn't you get a job in the civil service if you want to drink tea and coffee all day? Methinks you were watching far too much Scrubs for your own good during your informative years. Life's tough. Get over it.


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  • #271
    Noreen1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Which Irish Colleges/Universities have the best reputation for Law, or Engineering? Either within Ireland, or Internationally?

    Noreen


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