David Curran found guilty of Polish mens murder

mikom · 08-05-2010 05:02PM

sesna wrote: »

For some strange reason, that description doesnt ring as true.

Time to move town so, if you've any sense.

Abrasax · 08-05-2010 05:02PM

sesna wrote: »

For some strange reason, that description doesnt ring as true.

It's anarchy out there.

Einhard · 08-05-2010 05:03PM

sesna wrote: »

I have always thought that a large proportion of Irish were dirty, violent, crime prone breed.

And considering Ireland has amongst the lowest rates of violent crime and murder in the OECD, the tendency to violence that you see in us is obviously outwighed by our extreme laziness...:rolleyes:

mikom · 08-05-2010 05:04PM

Abrasax wrote: »

It's anarchy out there.

♫ It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under ♫

sesna · 08-05-2010 05:06PM

Not quite the utopia with lots of mongrels like Curran walking around

mikom · 08-05-2010 05:08PM

sesna wrote: »

Not quite the utopia with lots of mongrels like Curran walking around

Again with the Dublin.

Say it again with me.............. "Dublin ≠ Ireland."

sesna · 08-05-2010 05:08PM

mikom wrote: »

Again with the Dublin.

Say it again with me.............. "Dublin ≠ Ireland."

Unfortunately for all of us, there are plenty of these in Ireland, as well as Dublin. All it takes it some benzodiazepines and alcohol apparently.

Indubitable · 08-05-2010 05:09PM

sesna wrote: »

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I have always thought that a large proportion of Irish were dirty, violent, crime prone breed.

stereotype much?

Abrasax · 08-05-2010 05:10PM

sesna wrote: »

Not quite the utopia with lots of mongrels like Curran walking around

It's the machinations of a specific sub-culture which inflates those figures.
In general it's pretty safe out there.
Don't believe the hype.

shampoosuicide · 08-05-2010 05:10PM

statistics, eh?

it's something i've considered before though, and worthy of discussion. there seems to be a real undercurrent of violence and intimidation around Dublin. even getting on the Luas in broad daylight, you're more often than not gonna be hassled by someone or other. now i'm not the most well-travelled person, so i don't know if it's common in all big cities, but i'd hope not.

what's the solution? is there one? sort out the drugs problem? stop being so lenient on violent crime? education? round up all these mutants and put them on an island? who knows.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-05-2010 05:10PM

sesna wrote: »

Not quite the utopia with lots of mongrels like Curran walking around

We'll be grand so when the Lithuanian's, Latvian's and Estonian's go home!.

sesna · 08-05-2010 05:11PM

Rocco Rancid Tariff wrote: »

We'll be grand so when the Lithuanian's, Latvian's and Estonian's go home!.

No need to racist now against those good, decent, hard-working people.

From what I read in the paper's Curran's father is as much a scumbag as the son.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-05-2010 05:14PM

sesna wrote: »

No need to racist now against those good, decent, hard-working people.

Only using the information you supplied in that link...

By far the highest homicide levels are in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia

So you can stick that racism crap where the sun don't shine, I'm sick to death of people fucking that card around.

The Big Red Button · 08-05-2010 05:14PM

sesna wrote: »

No need to racist now against those good, decent, hard-working people.

What's your nationality, sesna? :rolleyes:

sesna · 08-05-2010 05:18PM

Rocco Rancid Tariff wrote: »

Only using the information you supplied in that link...

So you can stick that racism crap where the sun don't shine, I'm sick to death of people fucking that card around.

I wasnt aware of any Lithanians, Latvians or Estonian immigrant population being involved in violent crimes such as Curran's, were you ? Why target them?

Minstrel27 · 08-05-2010 05:18PM

I wonder if he has been made someones bitch yet.

sesna · 08-05-2010 05:22PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

I wonder if he has been made someones bitch yet.

A disturbing ,yet valid comment.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-05-2010 05:26PM

sesna wrote: »

I wasnt aware of any Lithanians, Latvians or Estonian immigrant population being involved in violent crimes such as Curran's, were you ? Why target them?

Like I said, just using the information you posted about crime rates - unless of course your suggesting its Dub's travelling to Lithania, Latvia & Estonia who are responsible for the much higher murder rates in these three countries?.

No really sure, your posts aren't very clear and from making a search of your threads/post this appear's to be a trend.

Although if your first language isn't English I apologize of course.

shampoosuicide · 08-05-2010 05:35PM

another thing about this case...

i was just browsing that bus behaviour thread and seeing the comments along the lines of 'oh, the Irish won't stand up to the scumbags, we just let them raise hell, but the Eastern Europeans don't take ****, they stand up for themselves'

yeah, and look where it got these two men.

i hate that self-righteous 'oh i don't take **** from scumbags, i'm well hard' nonsense. avoid confrontations if you can at all, it's not worth it.

Einhard · 08-05-2010 05:44PM

sesna wrote: »

Not quite the utopia with lots of mongrels like Curran walking around

I too can google "Ireland" and "murder rate" and pluck the results that back my case, hey presto:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ireland-the-safest-country-in-europe-report-says-1038166.html

But it's better to actually have a look at the full international statistics before deciding how safe a country is relative to others. The reason you didn't do so is probably because you know the statistics make a nonsense of your claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Comparing the international homocide statistics for 2005 and 2006, the last two years for which Irish figures are available under this report, it's clear that your representation of the Irish as violence prone animals is well off the mark.

In 2005, Ireland recorded 1.49 deaths per 100,000 people. New Zealand had a rate of 2, Italy was slightly lower at 1.4, while the US had a figure almost 400% higher than ours. Germany was slightly lower at .94 per 100k.

In 2006, Ireland's rate rose slightly to 1.62, but not exactly reaching the levels of anarchy you suggest. That year, Israel recorded a figure of 2.68, almost double Ireland's. Italy recorded a greater increase to 1.6 for the year, while someone living in the US was again almost 4 times more likely to suffer a homocide than an Irish resident. Again, Germany had the lowest rate, dropping to .88 per 100k from the previous year.

There figures clearly show that, while Ireland is no Utopia, it does not have a significant murder problem. It is, if anythin, at the lower end of the OECD scale, and definitely one of the safest places to live internationally. Indeed, after rising in 2006 and 2007, the number of murders fell dramatically in the following two years, to 50 and 54 repspectively, not exactly representative of the type of society you claim Ireland to be, and rather low considering the paramilitary violence played out on the island over the past 50 years.

TheTMO · 08-05-2010 06:37PM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

another thing about this case...

i was just browsing that bus behaviour thread and seeing the comments along the lines of 'oh, the Irish won't stand up to the scumbags, we just let them raise hell, but the Eastern Europeans don't take ****, they stand up for themselves'

yeah, and look where it got these two men.

i hate that self-righteous 'oh i don't take **** from scumbags, i'm well hard' nonsense. avoid confrontations if you can at all, it's not worth it.

You're right, let the scumbags do whatever they want and don't stand up for what is morally right, that should make this country a better place.

Honestly cowards like you make me sick. I remember 2 years ago I got on the bus and 2 older knackers were trying to mug this kid who couldnt of been more than 12 years old. I got on and went upstairs, it was a full bus, I noticed what was going on and intervened and told them to leave him alone. Bit of a stand off and eventually they tried to spit at me, missed and went downstairs. The kid thanked me, apparently he got on at Blessington, the scumbags got on at Tallaght and for the whole journey from Tallaght to where I got on, Rathmines, they had been abusing him, hitting him, everything. Not one person did a thing for that whole journey. Didn't even tell the bus driver. ****ing disgusting, cowardly behaviour. Another thing I remember when I was really young was being on the dart and 3 scumbags smoking. One old fella told them to out out the ciggeratte and they went up and started shoving him. This was a packed carriage and these teenage thugs were pushing a 70 year old man and not one man on the carriage stopped it.

It IS true that in other countries this isnt tolerated. I've seen whole subway carriages stand up to a thug in America. That would NEVER happen here.

shampoosuicide · 08-05-2010 06:42PM

TheTMO wrote: »

You're right, let the scumbags do whatever they want and don't stand up for what is morally right, that should make this country a better place.

Honestly cowards like you make me sick. I remember 2 years ago I got on the bus and 2 older knackers were trying to mug this kid who couldnt of been more than 12 years old. I got on and went upstairs, it was a full bus, I noticed what was going on and intervened and told them to leave him alone. Bit of a stand off and eventually they tried to spit at me, missed and went downstairs. The kid thanked me, apparently he got on at Blessington, the scumbags got on at Tallaght and for the whole journey from Tallaght to where I got on, Rathmines, they had been abusing him, hitting him, everything. Not one person did a thing for that whole journey. Didn't even tell the bus driver. ****ing disgusting, cowardly behaviour. Another thing I remember when I was really young was being on the dart and 3 scumbags smoking. One old fella told them to out out the ciggeratte and they went up and started shoving him. This was a packed carriage and these teenage thugs were pushing a 70 year old man and not one man on the carriage stopped it.

It IS true that in other countries this isnt tolerated. I've seen whole subway carriages stand up to a thug in America. That would NEVER happen here.

whatever man, i may be a coward but i'm not dead. what if the scumbags in your example had pulled a knife on you? you were lucky. you mightn't be so lucky next time. keep fighting the good fight chuck norris

TheTMO · 08-05-2010 06:47PM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

whatever man, i may be a coward but i'm not dead. what if the scumbags in your example had pulled a knife on you? you were lucky. you mightn't be so lucky next time. keep fighting the good fight chuck norris

I'd be in trouble but I'm not going to let that risk deter me. If I saw a girl getting raped I'd run over, the thought of whether her attacker was armed or not wouldn't even come into it. On that particular day I saw a little 12 year old kid getting mugged and assaulted by men and I wasn't going to cowardly slink to the back of the bus and allow it to happen.

Safety in numbers. If this country didn't tolerate this **** and more people stood up to it then it wouldn't be a problem. In parts of New York the scum make our scum look like charity workers, yet I've seen a whole carriage of ordinary people stand up to thugs and quess what, it worked. Its hard to be the hard man when you have 10+ people not allowing it.

shampoosuicide · 08-05-2010 06:51PM

TheTMO wrote: »

I'd be in trouble but I'm not going to let that risk deter me. If I saw a girl getting raped I'd run over, the thought of whether her attacker was armed or not wouldn't even come into it. On that particular day I saw a little 12 year old kid getting mugged and assaulted by men and I wasn't going to cowardly slink to the back of the bus and allow it to happen.

Safety in numbers. If this country didn't tolerate this **** and more people stood up to it then it wouldn't be a problem. In parts of New York the scum make our scum look like charity workers, yet I've seen a whole carriage of ordinary people stand up to thugs and quess what, it worked. Its hard to be the hard man when you have 10+ people not allowing it.

obviously i'm not gonna walk by if a girl is getting raped. i'm saying, confrontation should be avoided as much as possible. as in this case, if someone bumps into you at a chipper, leave it and walk away.

sickofwaiting · 08-05-2010 07:19PM

TheTMO wrote: »

You're right, let the scumbags do whatever they want and don't stand up for what is morally right, that should make this country a better place.

Honestly cowards like you make me sick. I remember 2 years ago I got on the bus and 2 older knackers were trying to mug this kid who couldnt of been more than 12 years old. I got on and went upstairs, it was a full bus, I noticed what was going on and intervened and told them to leave him alone. Bit of a stand off and eventually they tried to spit at me, missed and went downstairs. The kid thanked me, apparently he got on at Blessington, the scumbags got on at Tallaght and for the whole journey from Tallaght to where I got on, Rathmines, they had been abusing him, hitting him, everything. Not one person did a thing for that whole journey. Didn't even tell the bus driver. ****ing disgusting, cowardly behaviour. Another thing I remember when I was really young was being on the dart and 3 scumbags smoking. One old fella told them to out out the ciggeratte and they went up and started shoving him. This was a packed carriage and these teenage thugs were pushing a 70 year old man and not one man on the carriage stopped it.

It IS true that in other countries this isnt tolerated. I've seen whole subway carriages stand up to a thug in America. That would NEVER happen here.

Did you see the Late Late last night? The father and sister of a guy who intervened when a young lad was getting mugged were on. This guy is now in a permanent vegetative state for his troubles. He was a marked man because he hit one of these scumbags and they were connected. They found out where he lived and shot him in the face when he looked out the window. If they had've had knives on them when he intervened in the mugging he would have been killed there and then.

So the point being, you are literally taking your life in your hands these days with the current breed of scum when you get involved in an altercation that has nothing to do with you. Getting involved as an outsider is a big escalation of the situation as you have put the scumbag hardman in the awkward position where he has to be seen to come out on top - if that means stabbing you or marking you for a later attack that's what will happen.

Its very unfortunate that the young lad in your post was getting mugged but at the end of the day in a relatively short matter of time that situation would have ended and he could get on with his life relatively unhurt. Whereas when you step in as somebody trying to intervene you really are rolling the dice with your life. There is no way it is worth it just to be a hero - you are saving the young lad a couple of minutes hassle at the risk of your life or serious injury. It's not about being a coward it's about having cop on in this day and age where knives are a standard accessory for your average scummer.

sickofwaiting · 08-05-2010 07:22PM

Oh and I would be delighted if there were a few Polish thugs preparing a welcoming party for Curran. He deserves everything he gets in the joy, hanging is too good for the cúnt.

yermandan · 08-05-2010 07:29PM

Slightly off topic but is it true that the murder rate tripled in the year after we got rid of capital punishment in this country? (1990 iirc)

I shudder to think what will happen to this guy in prison. I cant bring myself to wish harm on him though The whole situation is so messed up. I can admit though that if it was any of my family who were his victims I would have a different opinion

sesna · 08-05-2010 07:41PM

Rocco Rancid Tariff wrote: »

No really sure, your posts aren't very clear and from making a search of your threads/post this appear's to be a trend.

I apologise if they're conceptually difficult for you.

sesna · 08-05-2010 07:46PM

sickofwaiting wrote: »

There is no way it is worth it just to be a hero - you are saving the young lad a couple of minutes hassle at the risk of your life or serious injury. It's not about being a coward it's about having cop on in this day and age where knives are a standard accessory for your average scummer.

Thats a horrible attitude. Its not about being a hero, its about helping out someone in trouble. Granted, there are situations where it might be too dangerous to intervene directly, but that doesn't mean help can't be sought, that something can't be done.

shampoosuicide · 08-05-2010 07:52PM

sesna wrote: »

Thats a horrible attitude. Its not about being a hero, its about helping out someone in trouble. Granted, there are situations where it might be too dangerous to intervene, but that doesn't mean help can't be sought, that something can't be done.

it's not a horrible attitude. tell it to that guy's family. http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1072327 1:15 minutes in.

i got mugged when i was very young by one dangerous ****er. i got over it, i learned a lesson, i'm still here today. i don't think 'oh why didn't someone help me?' if they did, they'd have been a marked man.

David Curran found guilty of Polish mens murder

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