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Head shop products ??

  • 08-05-2010 11:40AM
    #1
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭


    Ok, before I go any further, I do not want to buy/take these drugs and I have been involved in protests to get them banned asap.

    But according to some of the programmes I have seen regarding them recently they put packaging on them saying bath salts, plant food, etc....

    Can they actually be used for these purposes (not that I would bath in methadrone) Just pure curiousity? (I tend to go off in random trains of thoughts somedays, and these are types of questions are the result)


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  • #2
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Ok, before I go any further, I do not want to buy/take these drugs and I have been involved in protests to get them banned asap.

    Why?


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Ok, before I go any further, I do not want to buy/take these drugs and I have been involved in protests to get them banned asap.

    But according to some of the programmes I have seen regarding them recently they put packaging on them saying bath salts, plant food, etc....

    Can they actually be used for these purposes (not that I would bath in methadrone) Just pure curiousity? (I tend to go off in random trains of thoughts somedays, and these are types of questions are the result)

    If not in the thread, I'd love a private mail discussion with ya about this... See why your against them.


    I don't think they're any good at their intended purpose. They just use these labels to get past testing etc.


  • #4
    Aids By Google
    Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Aids By Google


    OP You should give some thought to the rules here regarding Head Shop threads.

    Note this one that was just locked. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055905558 Poster came on asking were he could get something (Think it was called "Fuel")and it is now locked.

    Fuel for thought, no?


  • #5
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    .

    methadrone

    I find it odd that you don't know how to spell something you are trying to get banned.


  • #6
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    davyjose wrote: »
    Why?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    If not in the thread, I'd love a private mail discussion with ya about this... See why your against them.


    I don't think they're any good at their intended purpose. They just use these labels to get past testing etc.

    They shove anything that is legal into a pill and dont give a fu€k what happens you.

    Doctors cannot combat it as swift as illegal drugs as they have no idea of what is in then the ingredients are altered so often.

    It takes large amounts of cocaine to alter your personality on a permanent basis (a hit alters it for a while) but metadrone can alter it for unknown amounts of time after only taking it once.

    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    If there was an alternative that wouldnt kill you grand, but they are just too dangerous!


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    They shove anything that is legal into a pill and dont give a fu€k what happens you.

    Doctors cannot combat it as swift as illegal drugs as they have no idea of what is in then the ingredients are altered so often.

    It takes large amounts of cocaine to alter your personality on a permanent basis (a hit alters it for a while) but metadrone can alter it for unknown amounts of time after only taking it once.

    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    If there was an alternative that wouldnt kill you grand, but they are just too dangerous!

    So in your own opinion, what would be the best way to tackle drug abuse?


  • #8
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    wolfpawnat wrote: »

    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    Have you protested against the use of alcohol? Or cars? Or hurricanes?


  • #9
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    If there was an alternative that wouldnt kill you grand, but they are just too dangerous!

    What about alcohol? That kills thousands of people every year..

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8485122.stm


  • #10
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!
    Have you got any links to back that statement up?


  • #11
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Aids By Google wrote: »
    OP You should give some thought to the rules here regarding Head Shop threads.

    Note this one that was just locked. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055905558 Poster came on asking were he could get something (Think it was called "Fuel")and it is now locked.

    Fuel for thought, no?

    I do NOT want to purchase or locate these items. I disagree with them completely and want them banned, please read my original post!

    I am merely asking about the label on the packaging. As I said, it was a random thought that entered my head watching the tv reports on tv.


    And Wild_cat - I am a diagnosed dyslexic. It takes me several minutes to answer a thread post as I have to spell check everything.


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  • #12
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    And Wild_cat - I am a diagnosed dyslexic. It takes me several minutes to answer a thread post as I have to spell check everything.
    OT, but if you use firefox, you can get this add-on that spell checks for you as you type.

    Might help.;)


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I disagree with them completely and want them banned, please read my original post!

    Why do you want them banned? They're never going to affect your life.


  • #14
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    I find it hard to believe that less than 25 people died from an overdose of cocaine,heroin etc in the UK which has a population of near 60 million as far as Im aware,I am open to correction though.


  • #15
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So in your own opinion, what would be the best way to tackle drug abuse?

    Truthfully, if you want to take drugs and risk killing yourself I cannot stop you. I can only protect myself from these things! I do not want to die of them, ergo, I have not/do not taken any illegal substances in my life. Drugs cause harm because effects of the drugs themselves and because of the low life scum that create gangs because of them (we have a few of them in this country) Innocent men and women have died because of drug fued!
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Have you protested against the use of alcohol? Or cars? Or hurricanes?

    Hurricanes????? You mean as in a cyclone? Big Winds? You cannot protest against the use of them, they are not an elective thing to use!?! They are a force of nature. I do not agree with the over consumption of alcohol, but unlike legal drugs the effects of alocohol abuse is known! As for cars, it is reckless drivers/jay walking pedestrians/drink driving and sleepy drivers that are the cause of accidents, not cars (unless you got a new Toyota recently:D)
    My name is URL wrote: »
    What about alcohol? That kills thousands of people every year..

    Same reply as I gave to MagicMarker.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Have you got any links to back that statement up?
    Cannot find it at present moment as am also chasing my son around the room :) But will find them and post them in a while :)


    And this thread wasnt supposed to be a pro verses anti thread, if you want to protest to keep the head shops open you are as entitled to as I am to protest otherwise.

    I just want to know about the labelling!!!!!!!!


  • #16
    --LOS--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Can they actually be used for these purposes (not that I would bath in methadrone) Just pure curiousity? (I tend to go off in random trains of thoughts somedays, and these are types of questions are the result)

    OP I think you answered this yourself ^^^

    who's to say what constitutes bath salts or plant food, they're not protected terms.


  • #17
    Jordan Berbatov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Jordan Berbatov


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    They shove anything that is legal into a pill and dont give a fu€k what happens you.

    Doctors cannot combat it as swift as illegal drugs as they have no idea of what is in then the ingredients are altered so often.

    It takes large amounts of cocaine to alter your personality on a permanent basis (a hit alters it for a while) but metadrone can alter it for unknown amounts of time after only taking it once.

    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    If there was an alternative that wouldnt kill you grand, but they are just too dangerous!


    Well don't take them, just like if you dont want to get fat dont eat mcdonalds, if you dont want lung problems dont smoke, if you dont want liver problems dont drink.


  • #18
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    They shove anything that is legal into a pill and dont give a fu€k what happens you.

    Doctors cannot combat it as swift as illegal drugs as they have no idea of what is in then the ingredients are altered so often.

    It takes large amounts of cocaine to alter your personality on a permanent basis (a hit alters it for a while) but metadrone can alter it for unknown amounts of time after only taking it once.

    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    If there was an alternative that wouldnt kill you grand, but they are just too dangerous!

    MEPHEDRONE! ;)


  • #19
    karlm37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭karlm37


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!

    http://www.sgul.ac.uk/about-st-georges/divisions/faculty-of-medicine-and-biomedical-sciences/mental-health/icdp/website-pdfs/np-SAD%2010th%20annual%20report.pdf

    Not that i doubt that you have researched this greatly before posting :rolleyes: , but according to this, cocaine, heroin etc. caused more deaths than mephedrone... But what would they know...?


  • #20
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    OT, but if you use firefox, you can get this add-on that spell checks for you as you type.

    Might help.;)

    Dont use firefox and my spell check on my reply to thread isnt working :( Blasted laptop!!!!! Thanks for the suggestion though:)

    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why do you want them banned? They're never going to affect your life.

    But am I not allowed worry about the lives of others? Can I not worry about how it may affect those who use it and their families?
    greetings wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe that less than 25 people died from an overdose of cocaine,heroin etc in the UK which has a population of near 60 million as far as Im aware,I am open to correction though.

    So did I actually, I thought cocaine and heroine would have higher rates. But as I said I will have to find where I read it, I cannot remember was it online or in a newspaper/magazine??? And no, before ye ask it was not the Daily Mail!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)


  • #21
    Abrasax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »
    MEPHEDRONE! ;)

    He said he's dyslexic.
    OP the labels are just for the head shop owners to cover their ass.
    Mephedrone is used for plant food, though you'd hardly go to a head shop if you wanted some for your plants. (will it be made illegal in flower shops also? )
    As for the bath salts, I've no idea.


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  • #22
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    OP I think your facts were wrong if you think that was the biggest killer in the UK last year. Can't find exact statistics but this may highlight some of the numbers of other overdoses
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209187/Deaths-cocaine-overdoses-soar-number-drug-users-shoot-up.html


  • #23
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Dont use firefox and my spell check on my reply to thread isnt working :( Blasted laptop!!!!! Thanks for the suggestion though:)




    But am I not allowed worry about the lives of others? Can I not worry about how it may affect those who use it and their families?



    So did I actually, I thought cocaine and heroine would have higher rates. But as I said I will have to find where I read it, I cannot remember was it online or in a newspaper/magazine??? And no, before ye ask it was not the Daily Mail!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
    Haha and then I link to the Mail :P


  • #24
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I do not agree with the over consumption of alcohol, but unlike legal drugs the effects of alocohol abuse is known!

    Yes known to be bad

    Thread fail


  • #25
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Abrasax wrote: »
    He said he's dyslexic.
    OP the labels are just for the head shop owners to cover their ass.
    Mephedrone is used for plant food, though you'd hardly go to a head shop if you wanted some for your plants. (will it be made illegal in flower shops also? )
    As for the bath salts, I've no idea.

    Woops, soz :(


  • #26
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Truthfully, if you want to take drugs and risk killing yourself I cannot stop you. I can only protect myself from these things! I do not want to die of them, ergo, I have not/do not taken any illegal substances in my life. Drugs cause harm because effects of the drugs themselves and because of the low life scum that create gangs because of them (we have a few of them in this country) Innocent men and women have died because of drug fued!
    So don't take them. No need to protest against them.

    Also, do innocent men and women die from drug feuds between head-shops?

    Anyway, this has been done to death on plenty of threads in this forum.


  • #27
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    karlm37 wrote: »
    http://www.sgul.ac.uk/about-st-georges/divisions/faculty-of-medicine-and-biomedical-sciences/mental-health/icdp/website-pdfs/np-SAD%2010th%20annual%20report.pdf

    Not that i doubt that you have researched this greatly before posting :rolleyes: , but according to this, cocaine, heroin etc. caused more deaths than mephedrone... But what would they know...?

    Ok I get it, I am 23 and yes in the last 23 years I notices my horrendous spelling capibilities :):D I mispelt the word, trust me I was ate in school and college for it.

    Well they would know what they are talking about, and no I did not pull random stats and figures out of my head but as I said, I have to try and find where I got said figures. As with all research, often different labs get different results! It all depends on what way and to what extent the survey is taken, in a previous post I already discussed my confusion at how it was greater than the number of people who died of other drugs!


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Truthfully, if you want to take drugs and risk killing yourself I cannot stop you. I can only protect myself from these things! I do not want to die of them, ergo, I have not/do not taken any illegal substances in my life. Drugs cause harm because effects of the drugs themselves and because of the low life scum that create gangs because of them (we have a few of them in this country) Innocent men and women have died because of drug fued!

    Ok.. I'm going to make a genuine attempt to explain something here and I really hope that you have an open mind to it.

    The problems you have listed above are a result of prohibition. All the popular drugs in their natural pure form do very little damage to the body but when you force the supply of them into dealers hands, they get cut with horrible stuff. When you hear of a bad batch of coke or heroin killing people, this is why.
    The other problem you've mentioned, gangs and deaths, are also a direct result of prohibition.. I cannot make this any clearer. You said innocent people have died in drug feuds yet support criminalization?! Drug dealers, not drugs kill innocent people in these gang wars and if everything was legalized tomorrow, gangs would have no source of income and thus, no wars. Hardly a bad thing.

    Now, the war on drugs has been going on globally for nearly a century and it will never be won.. This is just one of those facts of life. Continuing this ridiculously expensive "war" is a waste of time and a waste of lives.. Our demand will never drop and so there will always be a supply.


    Do you understand what I'm saying? Can you see why criminalizing drugs is counter-productive?
    Have a read of this article, it's very good. http://www.nickdavies.net/2001/02/01/what-s-wrong-with-the-war-against-drugs/


  • #29
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    ! It all depends on what way and to what extent the survey is taken,

    you mean how they're twisted to suit whoever is spouting the shíte?


  • #30
    --LOS--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Truthfully, if you want to take drugs and risk killing yourself I cannot stop you. I can only protect myself from these things! I do not want to die of them, ergo, I have not/do not taken any illegal substances in my life. Drugs cause harm because effects of the drugs themselves and because of the low life scum that create gangs because of them (we have a few of them in this country) Innocent men and women have died because of drug fued!

    I think now I understand what all the talk of "goody goodies" in AH recently refers to.
    OP drink and cigarettes are legal, I suppose if the law decided for them to made illegal, they'd be wrong too ?


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  • #31
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Abrasax wrote: »
    He said he's dyslexic.
    OP the labels are just for the head shop owners to cover their ass.
    Mephedrone is used for plant food, though you'd hardly go to a head shop if you wanted some for your plants. (will it be made illegal in flower shops also? )
    As for the bath salts, I've no idea.

    Well yes, these are the things that I ponder, also will Lush have to stop selling bath salts, plus if it really was plant food surely the garden centres would have it. And if it is plant food, why is it for sale in a head shop. And what would happen my plants if for some unbeknown reason I decided to feed it to them :) See I really over think random things :D
    greetings wrote: »
    Haha and then I link to the Mail :P

    Haha, they just have a tendency to alter the truth on a regular basis, so though this info could be the most up to date accurate research I cannot trust it! :)
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Anyway, this has been done to death on plenty of threads in this forum.

    Why doesnt anyone read my Original Post. I dont want to discuss head shops in general, or the human consumption of their products, I want to discuss the labels saying that they are plantfood/bath salts and are they fit for their supposed purpose!


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