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Head shop products ??
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08-05-2010 10:40am#1
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Deleted User wrote: »So in your own opinion, what would be the best way to tackle drug abuse?
Truthfully, if you want to take drugs and risk killing yourself I cannot stop you. I can only protect myself from these things! I do not want to die of them, ergo, I have not/do not taken any illegal substances in my life. Drugs cause harm because effects of the drugs themselves and because of the low life scum that create gangs because of them (we have a few of them in this country) Innocent men and women have died because of drug fued!MagicMarker wrote: »Have you protested against the use of alcohol? Or cars? Or hurricanes?
Hurricanes????? You mean as in a cyclone? Big Winds? You cannot protest against the use of them, they are not an elective thing to use!?! They are a force of nature. I do not agree with the over consumption of alcohol, but unlike legal drugs the effects of alocohol abuse is known! As for cars, it is reckless drivers/jay walking pedestrians/drink driving and sleepy drivers that are the cause of accidents, not cars (unless you got a new Toyota recently:D)My name is URL wrote: »What about alcohol? That kills thousands of people every year..
Same reply as I gave to MagicMarker.
Cannot find it at present moment as am also chasing my son around the roomHave you got any links to back that statement up?
But will find them and post them in a while
And this thread wasnt supposed to be a pro verses anti thread, if you want to protest to keep the head shops open you are as entitled to as I am to protest otherwise.
I just want to know about the labelling!!!!!!!!0 -
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wolfpawnat wrote: »They shove anything that is legal into a pill and dont give a fu€k what happens you.
Doctors cannot combat it as swift as illegal drugs as they have no idea of what is in then the ingredients are altered so often.
It takes large amounts of cocaine to alter your personality on a permanent basis (a hit alters it for a while) but metadrone can alter it for unknown amounts of time after only taking it once.
Metadrone killled 25 people in the UK in the last year, that is more than deaths caused by any of the illegal drugs in the UK!
If there was an alternative that wouldnt kill you grand, but they are just too dangerous!
MEPHEDRONE!
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OT, but if you use firefox, you can get this add-on that spell checks for you as you type.
Might help.;)
Dont use firefox and my spell check on my reply to thread isnt working
Blasted laptop!!!!! Thanks for the suggestion though:)Deleted User wrote: »Why do you want them banned? They're never going to affect your life.
But am I not allowed worry about the lives of others? Can I not worry about how it may affect those who use it and their families?I find it hard to believe that less than 25 people died from an overdose of cocaine,heroin etc in the UK which has a population of near 60 million as far as Im aware,I am open to correction though.
So did I actually, I thought cocaine and heroine would have higher rates. But as I said I will have to find where I read it, I cannot remember was it online or in a newspaper/magazine??? And no, before ye ask it was not the Daily Mail!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0 -
Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »MEPHEDRONE!
He said he's dyslexic.
OP the labels are just for the head shop owners to cover their ass.
Mephedrone is used for plant food, though you'd hardly go to a head shop if you wanted some for your plants. (will it be made illegal in flower shops also? )
As for the bath salts, I've no idea.0 -
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Haha and then I link to the Mail :Pwolfpawnat wrote: »Dont use firefox and my spell check on my reply to thread isnt working Blasted laptop!!!!! Thanks for the suggestion though:)
But am I not allowed worry about the lives of others? Can I not worry about how it may affect those who use it and their families?
So did I actually, I thought cocaine and heroine would have higher rates. But as I said I will have to find where I read it, I cannot remember was it online or in a newspaper/magazine??? And no, before ye ask it was not the Daily Mail!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
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He said he's dyslexic.
OP the labels are just for the head shop owners to cover their ass.
Mephedrone is used for plant food, though you'd hardly go to a head shop if you wanted some for your plants. (will it be made illegal in flower shops also? )
As for the bath salts, I've no idea.
Woops, soz 0 -
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http://www.sgul.ac.uk/about-st-georges/divisions/faculty-of-medicine-and-biomedical-sciences/mental-health/icdp/website-pdfs/np-SAD%2010th%20annual%20report.pdf
Not that i doubt that you have researched this greatly before posting :rolleyes: , but according to this, cocaine, heroin etc. caused more deaths than mephedrone... But what would they know...?
Ok I get it, I am 23 and yes in the last 23 years I notices my horrendous spelling capibilities
I mispelt the word, trust me I was ate in school and college for it.
Well they would know what they are talking about, and no I did not pull random stats and figures out of my head but as I said, I have to try and find where I got said figures. As with all research, often different labs get different results! It all depends on what way and to what extent the survey is taken, in a previous post I already discussed my confusion at how it was greater than the number of people who died of other drugs!0 -
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He said he's dyslexic.
OP the labels are just for the head shop owners to cover their ass.
Mephedrone is used for plant food, though you'd hardly go to a head shop if you wanted some for your plants. (will it be made illegal in flower shops also? )
As for the bath salts, I've no idea.
Well yes, these are the things that I ponder, also will Lush have to stop selling bath salts, plus if it really was plant food surely the garden centres would have it. And if it is plant food, why is it for sale in a head shop. And what would happen my plants if for some unbeknown reason I decided to feed it to them See I really over think random things Haha and then I link to the Mail :P
Haha, they just have a tendency to alter the truth on a regular basis, so though this info could be the most up to date accurate research I cannot trust it!Anyway, this has been done to death on plenty of threads in this forum.
Why doesnt anyone read my Original Post. I dont want to discuss head shops in general, or the human consumption of their products, I want to discuss the labels saying that they are plantfood/bath salts and are they fit for their supposed purpose!0 -
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wolfpawnat wrote: »Ok I get it, I am 23 and yes in the last 23 years I notices my horrendous spelling capibilities I mispelt the word, trust me I was ate in school and college for it.
Well they would know what they are talking about, and no I did not pull random stats and figures out of my head but as I said, I have to try and find where I got said figures. As with all research, often different labs get different results! It all depends on what way and to what extent the survey is taken, in a previous post I already discussed my confusion at how it was greater than the number of people who died of other drugs!
Firstly, I'm not getting at you over spelling, just the fact you're calling it by the name of a completly different, much more harmful drug!
It's not a matter of different labs getting different rersults, its fact, less people died from taking meph than many other drugs, so dont be confused!
Anyway, prohibition doesn't work, free the weed, blah blah blah, this is a topic that is WAY overdone.0 -
wolfpawnat wrote: »Cannot find it at present moment as am also chasing my son around the room But will find them and post them in a while
You won't find it, or at least not in a truthfull report.
Alcohol, heroin, cocaine, anti-depressants, or a combination of these have a higher mortality rate.
Source : St. Georges University of London - National Programme on Substance Abuse Deaths 2009.
Another thing which is often confused, is its name.
Mephedrone is probably the most well known of a group of drugs derived from cathinone (the same chemical found in the plant called khat) although two other compounds are also increasingly recognised on the market. These are methadrone and methylone.
Methadrone because of its name is often confused with Methadone, which is a substitute for Heroin, and given out at drug clinics.
5% of all drug related deaths in the UK in 2009 were caused by Methadone on it's own, and in 15% of drug-related deaths, Methadone was one of the drugs found in the system.
A lot of lazy journalists have mixed up Mephadrone which can be bought in Head Shops with Methadone, which can't be bought, as it is a controlled substance in Ireland.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Ok.. I'm going to make a genuine attempt to explain something here and I really hope that you have an open mind to it.
The problems you have listed above are a result of prohibition. All the popular drugs in their natural pure form do very little damage to the body but when you force the supply of them into dealers hands, they get cut with horrible stuff. When you hear of a bad batch of coke or heroin killing people, this is why.
The other problem you've mentioned, gangs and deaths, are also a direct result of prohibition.. I cannot make this any clearer. You said innocent people have died in drug feuds yet support criminalization?! Drug dealers, not drugs kill innocent people in these gang wars and if everything was legalized tomorrow, gangs would have no source of income and thus, no wars. Hardly a bad thing.
Now, the war on drugs has been going on globally for nearly a century and it will never be won.. This is just one of those facts of life. Continuing this ridiculously expensive "war" is a waste of time and a waste of lives.. Our demand will never drop and so there will always be a supply.
Do you understand what I'm saying? Can you see why criminalizing drugs is counter-productive?
Have a read of this article, it's very good. http://www.nickdavies.net/2001/02/01/what-s-wrong-with-the-war-against-drugs/
You will never stampout drugs. Where there is a will there is always away I am afraid. Yes you make a fantastic point AdsbyGoogle. Prohibition is the reason for the deaths and gangs, and yes natural drugs in their pure form are very safe, heroine is the big brother of all modern pain relief drugs. But if something is dangerous I do believe there is reason to worry about it, what I fear most is the non-chalant way youngsters take legal highs thinking "sure they're legal, so they are ok/safe" Perhaps it is more the regulation of them rather than the banning is the way to go.you mean how they're twisted to suit whoever is spouting the shíte?
exactlyI think now I understand wha t all the talk of "goody goodies" in AH recently refers to.
OP drink and cigarettes are legal, I suppose if the law decided for them to made illegal, they'd be wrong too ?
I am one of those dry ****es that does not smoke and that seldom, if ever takes a drink! I am not a goody goody I am a concerned person, who sees my friends and other people thinking that because something is legal it means it safe, and then worrying wtf when things go wrong.0 -
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kingofthe3rdyrs wrote: »I am pretty sure that is a rhetorical but the answer is no anyway.
You should be happy that head shops take money away from the gangs.
See post #37 in response to AdsforGoogle I am not a naive person, nor am I a simpleton 0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Ok.. I'm going to make a genuine attempt to explain something here and I really hope that you have an open mind to it.
The problems you have listed above are a result of prohibition. All the popular drugs in their natural pure form do very little damage to the body but when you force the supply of them into dealers hands, they get cut with horrible stuff. When you hear of a bad batch of coke or heroin killing people, this is why.
The other problem you've mentioned, gangs and deaths, are also a direct result of prohibition.. I cannot make this any clearer. You said innocent people have died in drug feuds yet support criminalization?! Drug dealers, not drugs kill innocent people in these gang wars and if everything was legalized tomorrow, gangs would have no source of income and thus, no wars. Hardly a bad thing.
You're forgetting one;
Because most known drugs are illegal, people start taking more dangerous drugs or even completely untested research chemicals to avoid breaking the law.By the OP's logic he should be protesting equally hard against lettuce and nutmeg (a psychoactive and hallucinogenic respectively).
Nutmeg is actually a really dangerous drug (relatively speaking). Back in my school days i had a horrible experience with nutmeg. The plan was for 3 of us to take 20grams each (the dose suggested to me by a guy who claimed to have done it successfully before) and go "tripping" in the park at the weekend. On the wednesday i was bored so i took a test dose of 10grams at home. It scares me to think what would have happened if i didn't. Let me just say there's no mind alteration to be found with nutmeg. It just gives you extreme nausea and makes your body feel like it weighs a ton.
Anyway, the point of all this is that it ties into the point i mentioned above.wolfpawnat wrote: »what I fear most is the non-chalant way youngsters take legal highs thinking "sure they're legal, so they are ok/safe" Perhaps it is more the regulation of them rather than the banning is the way to go.
I have to admit this worries me a lot too. I don't think legally regulating them is at all the way to go, but i don't think just banning them and waiting for the next crop of legal highs is the way to go either.
There's no point dancing around the issue. The only real solution is to legalise the drugs we already know to be relatively safe.0 -
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