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David Curran found guilty of Polish mens murder

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    your missing my point altogether,without a doubt he is a scumbag,but there is an argument why people do these things and others dont.

    im probably getting to philisophical about the whole thing,its just something that always intersested me,is the way our brains made up responsible for the things we do,hence do we really have free will and make our own decisions or is it out of our hands and controlled by chmemicals or whatever.

    I agree with you that there is a reason for everything (e.g. if he was brought up differently in a different home he probably wouldn't be in prison now), but the fact of the matter is he is scum and really I think prison is too good for him. If I was some sort of ruler of Ireland I would televise his long and painful torture to send a message out to the hundreds of thousands remaining complete scumbags we have in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    While I feel sorry for the senslaess muders of these two Dublin residents and their families, I wonder why the same outrcry was not evident when Brian Murphy was murdered outside Annabelles in 2006? This poor unfortunate was murdered by rich kids and they did no time in prison for this. Is it the fact that the two guys were non nationals and the weapon was different than the boots used by the 4 killers make it a more serious crime? Is Brian Murphy less dead because of the weapon? Make me wonder about sentencing in this country. If David Curran was from Foxrock and the two unfortunate dead men were Irish, I will bet that there would not be a word about it.This is clearly wrong. Same as when that you black guy was killed, there was such an outcry about it and the liberarls tried to make it a racist motivated murder. It was not and like this case it was just a vicious killing and terrible but no more than more sensless needless deaths.

    FFS in all fairness man scroll up to the top of the page & take a look at the thread title.

    This thread is about the Curran case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭dublincelt


    we can sit here all day giving out about what scum they are,but what makes these lads go out and do this when none of us would even think of it?

    parents?
    mental illness?

    all im saying is this will continue to happen until we try reach the cause of the problem and deal with it.

    Yeah, lets build more swimming pools or go-kart tracks. Maybe if these poor unfortunate scumbags had something to do it wouldnt have happened eh?

    While were at it lets ban computer games!!


    The electric chair would be too good for the subhuman animal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    your missing my point altogether,without a doubt he is a scumbag,but there is an argument why people do these things and others dont.

    im probably getting to philisophical about the whole thing,its just something that always intersested me,is the way our brains made up responsible for the things we do,hence do we really have free will and make our own decisions or is it out of our hands and controlled by chmemicals or whatever.

    Im not missing your point, I just find it difficult to start talking about the contributing factors to anti-social behaviour as some sort of excuse for this sort of thuggery.
    People are outraged by this & i think the various angry comments are completely justified & healthy.

    Maybe the biggest contributing factor in this is the fact that our clumsy justice system is a walk-over & probably doesn't pose any threat to the criminals on our streets.

    Its incredible, savagely murder two people in this country & you'll get a 20 year sentence & more than likely get out in 10 or 12 years. WTF?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    Its incredible, savagely murder two people in this country & you'll get a 20 year sentence & more than likely get out in 10 or 12 years. WTF?!

    Does this sound like someone we want on our streets in 12 years?
    FOR DAVID Curran, February 23rd, 2008, began as an ordinary day in Drimnagh, south Dublin.

    In trouble from a young age, Curran, then 17, the eldest of five children, had been expelled from school at 15.

    Known as “Schillaci”, he had been in a community detox programme. On this Saturday he was nursing a stab wound he’d received earlier in the week.

    He visited an off-licence with his friend Seán Keogh, then 19, at 10am and bought vodka and a few cans. They went down to the canal with friends. They shared the purchases. They smoked cannabis and took benzodiazepine tablets. They went for a swim then moved on to a field at St Michael’s estate. They bought alcopops.

    At about 5pm, Curran went back to the canal with another youth. They came across a parked moped. They took it back to the field and harvested it of two bottles of wine and a screwdriver.

    They couldn’t get it started so they burned it out. Then they went to a nearby factory. Curran wanted to use the screwdriver to break into it and steal whatever he could find.

    Not long after 6pm, Polish mechanic Pawel Kalite (28) walked down to his local chip shop on Benbulben Road, 70 metres from his home. He shared the house with his friend Marius Szwajkos (27), who was also a mechanic, and sister and brother Kamila and Radek Szeremeta.

    The two mechanics had been at work that day at Ace Autobody and Mr Kalite was hungry. He bought himself some chips.

    Outside the chip shop he was bumped into by one of a group of youths. There was a brawl and Mr Kalite ended up on the ground being kicked and punched.

    Curran’s father, who happened to be passing in his car, had waded into the row when he recognised the youth involved.

    The local butcher and his landlord came out of the butcher’s shop when they heard the noise. The landlord, Rory O’Connor, lifted Mr Kalite off the ground and told them “he’s had enough”.

    The attackers backed off, Mr Kalite picked up his chips and walked away. As he passed two girls who had been involved in the row, one of them hit him over the head with a bottle. He walked on.

    Mr O’Connor got into his car and followed him to offer him a lift home; he knew there was going to be trouble, but by the time he caught up with Mr Kalite, he was already at his house.

    One of the girls involved called Curran at about 6.30pm to tell him about the row at the chip shop. He had had about 20 tablets, a good deal of alcohol and seven cannabis joints by then. He raced to the chip shop with his friends, including Keogh.

    Curran was angry and shouting “was it youse?” He kicked out at a car and slammed its door closed on one of the occupant’s feet.

    Curran ran up toward the home of Mr Kalite on Benbulben Road with three girls, Keogh and another teenage boy. He was shouting as he approached the house and he had the screwdriver in his hand. In the front garden, Kamila and Radek Szeremeta saw them across the road.

    Mr Kalite and Mr Szwajkos were also in the garden. There was shouting and someone said “all Polish people are f***ers”. Ms Szeremeta asked “why?” Then Curran went for them with the screwdriver. Ms Szeremeta ducked, but Mr Kalite was struck.

    The screwdriver penetrated his skull. He fell down, bringing Ms Szeremeta with him. Keogh kicked him in the head. Swiftly, Curran attacked again, fatally wounding Mr Szwajkos in the head. Onlookers heard his head crack as he hit the ground. It was all over within seconds. One of the teenagers shouted “run Schillaci, they’re dead” and Curran ran.

    Gardaí and the emergency services were on the scene in a matter of minutes, but it was too late for both of the men.

    At home, Curran had his dinner, a curry, and then got sick. That night, he sent text messages to one of the girls involved. She texted him “Ha, I just read what it says on the news. Ha **** xxxx”. He replied “Ha, Ha. You’re mad.” Then between them, they tried to set up alibis for the evening.

    Mr Keogh sent the same girl a text, telling her how he’d burned his new runners. “No way,” she replied. “Swear to God, we’re f***ed!” he said.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,802 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    ****in' KNACKER.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    At least he won't be breeding for a while, unfortunately his friends can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Lauder


    That animal should be hung. Sending some to a pampered prison at a exorbitant cost to the taxpayer for such a heinous crime is a joke.

    I wonder are the Pierrepoint family still in the same business?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Alice_


    Thats right folks...

    90,000euro a year to house this scumbag so he can be released in about 10 - 15years after over 1,000,000 euro has been wasted on him! Released in the prime of his life so he can have a fresh start and a second chance!?

    WTF is wrong with this picture. Where are the victims second chances? :(
    Life is too cheap nowadays. This is becoming a more common occurrence in the UK and in Ireland. That lad will be out before he is 35 and be a hero to his mates. Where is the JUSTICE? NO SECOND chances for savages like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭caspermccormack


    Pity they didn't drown in the canal.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    Pity they didn't drown in the canal.

    Haha I thought that when reading it as well. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭Annuv


    Why exactly are sentences for crimes like this so low in Ireland ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    Annuv wrote: »
    Why exactly are sentences for crimes like this so low in Ireland ?

    Because we are too scared to grow a pair and put someone away for life. Probably too poor to actually afford it or something.

    On another note, I don't like referring to those scum as animals because animals (as previously said) is too good a term for them.

    I hope that girl gets her come uppence as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Ozzy


    I have to echo what's said before because I'm another person who can't get my head around our society's governing law and its punitive inaction..

    I'd say people are sick of hearing stories of injustice like this, because I know I am. I have nothing but sympathy for the victims and loved ones, like Mr and Ms Szeremeta, affected by completely unecessary violence and hurt that shouldn't happen, but does. And it makes me so angry at these scumbags, hateful even, with no sympathy for them or any of the instigators involved.

    I think it would be a fair assumption to say that almost everyone wants more severe consequences for crimes like these, and it would be fair to assume that we've wanted it for a long time. So why haven't we enforced more severe consequences? Why are the laws not amended tomorrow??

    ..And how the fuck has it got to the stage where it manages to cost 90k euro a year for one prisoner??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭RoadKillTs


    Well said Alice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Ozzy wrote: »
    I have to echo what's said before because I'm another person who can't get my head around our society's governing law and its punitive inaction..

    I'd say people are sick of hearing stories of injustice like this, because I know I am. I have nothing but sympathy for the victims and loved ones, like Mr and Ms Szeremeta, affected by completely unecessary violence and hurt that shouldn't happen, but does. And it makes me so angry at these scumbags, hateful even, with no sympathy for them or any of the instigators involved.

    I think it would be a fair assumption to say that almost everyone wants more severe consequences for crimes like these, and it would be fair to assume that we've wanted it for a long time. So why haven't we enforced more severe consequences? Why are the laws not amended tomorrow??

    ..And how the fuck has it got to the stage where it manages to cost 90k euro a year for one prisoner??

    What's €90k - did you not hear about this double murderer/rapist who is in a coma and costing us €900 thousand per annum for 6 prisoner officers to guard him in hospital. :mad:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0430/prison.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    FFS in all fairness man scroll up to the top of the page & take a look at the thread title.

    This thread is about the Curran case.
    FFS man read what I said and it deals with the Curran case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    While I feel sorry for the senslaess muders of these two Dublin residents and their families, I wonder why the same outrcry was not evident when Brian Murphy was murdered outside Annabelles in 2006? This poor unfortunate was murdered by rich kids and they did no time in prison for this. Is it the fact that the two guys were non nationals and the weapon was different than the boots used by the 4 killers make it a more serious crime? Is Brian Murphy less dead because of the weapon? Make me wonder about sentencing in this country. If David Curran was from Foxrock and the two unfortunate dead men were Irish, I will bet that there would not be a word about it.This is clearly wrong. Same as when that you black guy was killed, there was such an outcry about it and the liberarls tried to make it a racist motivated murder. It was not and like this case it was just a vicious killing and terrible but no more than more sensless needless deaths.

    what a load of boll*ocks.
    Annabels case got tons of attention with loads of people bitching about the perps' privileged backgrounds.

    If DC was from Foxrock then the same middle class-bashing would happen.

    The "liberals" are mostly absent from this thread as they don't like to slag off the working class.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    what a load of boll*ocks.
    Annabels case got tons of attention with loads of people bitching about the perps' privileged backgrounds.

    If DC was from Foxrock then the same middle class-bashing would happen.

    The "liberals" are mostly absent from this thread as they don't like to slag off the working class.
    No b*llocks at all. Those scum escaped punishment as they are privelaged class. Curran got his just deserves but the scummy wealthy classes from Foxrock got away scot free. Nothing else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    No b*llocks at all. Those scum escaped punishment as they are privelaged class. Curran got his just deserves but the scummy wealthy classes from Foxrock got away scot free. Nothing else.

    There's a difference between a gang of rivals having a scrap where someone dies and someone searching for two men to stab them in the head with a screwdriver.
    Its intention and evidence though its understandable to feel that they got off lightly


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    No b*llocks at all. Those scum escaped punishment as they are privelaged class. Curran got his just deserves but the scummy wealthy classes from Foxrock got away scot free. Nothing else.

    New Ross a few years back: Eight working class dudes from tough estates and a prior reputation for being pricks kill a Swedish flower seller. I know this because I grew up there. Get even lighter sentences than the Anabels crew. No media uproar bar cursory reporting of the case. No focus whatsoever on their backgrounds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    New Ross a few years back: Eight working class dudes from tough estates and a prior reputation for being pricks kill a Swedish flower seller. I know this because I grew up there. Get even lighter sentences than the Anabels crew. No media uproar bar cursory reporting of the case. No focus whatsoever on their backgrounds.
    I remembr it well and one "lady" involved was from Waterford. Know her family well. That was a disgrace also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    PK2008 wrote: »
    Oh yeh?

    Test it out for us and let us know how you get on

    :rolleyes:

    Well at least you are trying...
    ****in' KNACKER.

    Don't be insulting knackers...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    what a load of boll*ocks.
    Annabels case got tons of attention with loads of people bitching about the perps' privileged backgrounds.

    If DC was from Foxrock then the same middle class-bashing would happen.

    The "liberals" are mostly absent from this thread as they don't like to slag off the working class.

    Being a "liberal" I'm absent from this thread because its the usual chest thumping 'I'd have them sodomised by goats and .....' crap.

    The annabels case got "tons of attention" due to (a) the time taken to prosecute (b) the tone of the prosecution ('this was a tragedy for all involved') and (c) the sentences handed down. The problem was not the backgrounds of those involved, but the treatment of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Case before with a young lad in Dublin getting stabbed with a screwdriver over a bloody mobile phone too. Loads of publicity and uproar. The Brian Nolan case got huge publicity too and, especially in some of the broad sheets.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Plus yer man that was dragged out of a car.....they couldn't pin it on any one of the two or three involved. Think he was Eastern European.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    No b*llocks at all. Those scum escaped punishment as they are privelaged class. Curran got his just deserves but the scummy wealthy classes from Foxrock got away scot free. Nothing else.

    Yeah good point. Those Foxrock scumbags were as bad as Curran, kicking a defenceless person on the ground repeatedly in the head. They got away because the court was unable to determine who delivered the fatal kick to the head. Also there was conflicting medical notes from John Harbison and Marie Cassidy as to how great an effect the amount of alcohol the deceased had consumed was a factor in his death.

    Dermot Laide, Sean Mackey, Andrew Frame, Desmond Ryan - where were these scumbags excuses of social deprivation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭aoboa




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    sesna wrote: »
    Yeah good point. Those Foxrock scumbags were as bad as Curran, kicking a defenceless person on the ground repeatedly in the head. They got away because the court was unable to determine who delivered the fatal kick to the head. Also there was conflicting medical notes from John Harbison and Marie Cassidy as to how great an effect the amount of alcohol the deceased had consumed was a factor in his death.

    Dermot Laide, Sean Mackey, Andrew Frame, Desmond Ryan - where were these scumbags excuses of social deprivation.

    no social deprivation there.

    I think the excuses were along the lines of

    "The deceased threw the first punch at our mate Andrew and then we intervened."

    How many instances are there of people instigating fights and then ending up dead?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭hinault


    Personally I think Curran should be subject to capital punishment by death.

    I'd gladly incinerate him and his ilk.


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