Are all degrees created equal?

Killer Pigeon · 07-05-2010 03:55AM

Came accross something interesting on the top MBA world rankings. While Trinity seems to have a higher world ranking in terms of an MBA than UCD's MBA, the average salary of UCD's MBA graduates is 10,000US$ greater than Trinity. Interesting thought.

Trinity: http://www.topmba.com/school_profile/trinity-mbauniversity-of-dublin-trinity-college/

Averyage salary of MBA graduates from Trinity: 100,000 US$

UCD: http://www.topmba.com/school_profile/university-college-dublin-smurfit-school/

Average salary of MBA graduates from UCD: 110,000 US$

Killer Pigeon · 07-05-2010 04:08AM

Thirdfox wrote: »

Trinity is ranking within the top 50 in the world (according the THES by the Times). No other university in Ireland comes close, (UCD is in the top 200).

That's not to say the education provided by others isn't as good (or even better) - DIT is the only place in Ireland where one can study optometry I believe. But reputation wise, people have heard of TCD across the world (we're the poorer, less elegant sister of Cambridge and Oxford) whereas, type UCD into Google and you'll find the University of California, Davis...hence the rename to UCDD (the double Ds of Dublin )

UCD was 89th in the world for the 2009 QS world university rankings. The year before it was 108th, the year before that it was 177th. If it's recognition is increasing at this rate, it will be quite close in Trinity in the world rankings within the next 5 years or so.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university/166/university-college-dublin

By the way University of California at Davis is lower than UCD on the world rankings for 2009.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university/85/university-of-california-davis

Also you might want to see this,[
http://tinyurl.com/39ky8of

Thirdfox · 07-05-2010 10:27AM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

UCD was 89th in the world for the 2009 QS world university rankings. The year before it was 108th, the year before that it was 177th. If it's recognition is increasing at this rate, it will be quite close in Trinity in the world rankings within the next 5 years or so.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university/166/university-college-dublin

By the way University of California at Davis is lower than UCD on the world rankings for 2009.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university/85/university-of-california-davis

Also you might want to see this,[
http://tinyurl.com/39ky8of

And you might want to see this

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UCD

But that's neither here nor there - however these are the facts (certainly doesn't demonstrate much, except that UC, Davis is higher up on Google's search algorithms). Doesn't change the fact that UCD is now known as UCD,Dublin - something that my friends in UCDD find hilarious too.

And you'll find that I've stated that UCDD's place is 89th for this year - congratulating them on breaking in the top 100 finally. You'll also note that the rate of increase is slowing as the years pass - seemingly indicating that it is approaching equilibrium.

Under your logic Trinity will be increasing by 30 - 7 places each year and we'll end up around 1st in 5 years? :P

seraphimvc · 07-05-2010 11:57AM

dude,only ucd is moving up that fast,trinity is not.and judging from the development potential prospect, ucd defo has more space than trinity :pac:

wonder what will happen in the next few years of the ranking!

Thirdfox · 07-05-2010 01:36PM

seraphimvc wrote: »

dude,only ucd is moving up that fast,trinity is not.and judging from the development potential prospect, ucd defo has more space than trinity :pac:

wonder what will happen in the next few years of the ranking!

I believe Trinity jumped from 70+ to 50ish a few years ago, and a jump to 43 now. I don't see much difference to UCDD's 60 place jump two years ago and 20 place jump last year. All jumps are getting smaller. This also requires people to assume the present trend continues - wouldn't be surprised that all Irish uni's go down this year with the funding issues.

DIT has potential...when Grangegorman comes online to offer an industrial challenge to the universities - but isn't that what DCU is for?

In terms of space, UCD definitely has better facilities to expand - but look at number 90 on the list (Emory in the US - 7 billion endowment, 2 gyms (3 50metre swimming pools), private buses for students etc etc. - it's not the size, it's how you use it that counts :pac: ) I hear UCL has the best sporting facilities in the country.

As a former captain of a sports club in Trinity - we certainly could use more gym space though

- however, we don't need to pay to book the gym

And looking at the ARWU ranking table Trinity is in the 201-300 category... UCC is ranked ahead of UCD in the 301-400 category :pac:

http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009_4.jsp

...It's ranked alphabetically after the top 100 - hence UCC ahead of UCD

hada · 07-05-2010 05:31PM

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

Killer Pigeon · 07-05-2010 09:20PM

Thirdfox wrote: »

And you might want to see this
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UCD

But that's neither here nor there - however these are the facts (certainly doesn't demonstrate much, except that UC, Davis is higher up on Google's search algorithms). Doesn't change the fact that UCD is now known as UCD,Dublin - something that my friends in UCDD find hilarious too.

And you'll find that I've stated that UCDD's place is 89th for this year - congratulating them on breaking in the top 100 finally. You'll also note that the rate of increase is slowing as the years pass - seemingly indicating that it is approaching equilibrium.

Under your logic Trinity will be increasing by 30 - 7 places each year and we'll end up around 1st in 5 years? :P

Well if you look at TCD vs UCD in the ranking you will see that Trinity is sort of reaching an equilibrium on the world rankings too. http://tinyurl.com/38c42mt

If you enter ucdd, into google I don't get UCD, which means we're not loved at all

:(:(:(:(

Killer Pigeon · 07-05-2010 09:24PM

hada wrote: »

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

You know, there is some people out there who still want to stay in Ireland and not move abroad. Therefore the ranking of Irish Universities alone only matters to these people.

Thirdfox · 07-05-2010 09:37PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Well if you look at TCD vs UCD in the ranking you will see that Trinity is sort of reaching an equilibrium on the world rankings too. http://tinyurl.com/38c42mt

If you enter ucdd, into google I don't get UCD, which means we're not loved at all :(:(:(:(

Exactly, I think the universities in Ireland (UCD(D) and TCD are reaching the max of what they can achieve - without extra funding, be that from students fees or other sources).

And, to be fair, UCD was renamed to UCD, Dublin. I just abbreviate the second Dublin to D too

(I'm sure entering UCD, Dublin into Google gets you the correct university :pac: )

And Hada - I guess you haven't noticed that we're in the AH forum and not the education one? Relax, if people want to vent here then it's par for the course. At least this thread won't get anyone pregnant (unlike 3-D porn films - according to another thread on this forum).

Pherekydes · 07-05-2010 09:38PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

If you enter ucdd, into google I don't get UCD, which means we're not loved at all :(:(:(:(

That's because ucdd is not UCD (surprisingly).

ananas · 07-05-2010 09:43PM

I went to NUIG as well and I have to agree with some of the other posters. It doesn't matter where you went to college, all that matters is how well you did in your degree.

All this about better degrees from TCD or UCD is crap. My neighbour when she heard that I was doing BCL in NUIG said "Oh thats unfortunate, the Law degree from UCD is much better"-same woman wasn't educated past Junior Cert Level(and looked like a horse) :rolleyes:

hada · 08-05-2010 01:29AM

Thirdfox wrote: »

Exactly, I think the universities in Ireland (UCD(D) and TCD are reaching the max of what they can achieve - without extra funding, be that from students fees or other sources).

And, to be fair, UCD was renamed to UCD, Dublin. I just abbreviate the second Dublin to D too (I'm sure entering UCD, Dublin into Google gets you the correct university :pac: )

And Hada - I guess you haven't noticed that we're in the AH forum and not the education one? Relax, if people want to vent here then it's par for the course. At least this thread won't get anyone pregnant (unlike 3-D porn films - according to another thread on this forum).

Don't worry Thirdfox, I'm quite relaxed. Regardless, I'm not the one comparing the advantages of going to a university that appears higher up the list in a google search. You have a lot to learn in that regard, and when you do enter the working world with your training contract with AC, you'll meet plenty of non-TCDers/UCDers, and frankly, you won't be able to tell the difference. As I said, it's the person that makes the degree, not the uni.

ananas wrote: »

I went to NUIG as well and I have to agree with some of the other posters. It doesn't matter where you went to college, all that matters is how well you did in your degree.

All this about better degrees from TCD or UCD is crap. My neighbour when she heard that I was doing BCL in NUIG said "Oh thats unfortunate, the Law degree from UCD is much better"-same woman wasn't educated past Junior Cert Level(and looked like a horse) :rolleyes:

Don't worry ananas, NUIG BCL's get on just fine...take it from me

Din Taylor · 08-05-2010 01:54AM

Lollymcd wrote: »

Are all Irish universities the same? Are some colleges respected more than others? If you pay for your third level qualification are you desperate or privileged?

I'd like to think no in Ireland. While going for graduate interviews in the UK I was not only asked about the universities I went but the school as well. Quite surprised by this as I didn't think it was relevant and so never mentioned it on my CV.

Thirdfox · 08-05-2010 02:58AM

hada wrote: »

Don't worry Thirdfox, I'm quite relaxed. Regardless, I'm not the one comparing the advantages of going to a university that appears higher up the list in a google search. You have a lot to learn in that regard, and when you do enter the working world with your training contract with AC, you'll meet plenty of non-TCDers/UCDers, and frankly, you won't be able to tell the difference. As I said, it's the person that makes the degree, not the uni.

I'm afraid you've misunderstood me if you think that was what I said. I believe I was drawing attention to (and semi-mocking) the fact that a university changed its name because it did not come top of the google search result.

I can tell you however, that at the other top law firm I interned at, it was 5 UCD law students and 4 Trinity. While other universities do get recruited by the top firms (AC being an example - I know of one UL law student starting there soon, I'm sure there may be others) it isn't ridiculous to suggest that TCD and UCD applicants are given a second glance, at least in the field of law.

And within that overarching scheme, personal dedication and hard work is rewarded on an individual basis of course. I agree that the person makes the degree, but the university does too.

And if you want to have a serious debate/discussion on this matter, I'll gladly follow this up with you in the edu/legal discussion forum. As far as I'm concerned AH is somewhere to be flippant and frivolous - not to have my personal details revealed by others

Royale with Cheese · 08-05-2010 03:10AM

I've been to UCD, DCU and the University of Cologne. They're all shíte.

Thirdfox · 08-05-2010 03:14AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I've been to UCD, DCU and the University of Cologne. They're all shíte.

At least that one smells better right?

Killer Pigeon · 08-05-2010 04:49AM

Thirdfox wrote: »

At least that one smells better right?

I think he means Köln.

Sid_Justice · 08-05-2010 05:47AM

I think in the United States and in the UK there are so so many universities and other 3rd level institutions it's impossible not to rank them in some way and it's useful to do so. I don't recruiters are interested in the relative merits of Newcastle and Bristol or Manchester and St Andrews but they know that Oxbridge and Imperial are the best unis and there are other unis which are practically good in certain areas.

In Ireland, there are so few universities (relative to UK/USA) and the quality of graduate is very similar too imo. I think the best leaving cert students from cork usually go to UCC, the best in galway to NUIG etc. and the best in Dublin to TCD .

Thus I don't think any university has a monopoly on the best leaving cert students or the best graduates (not that the former => latter necessarily). Also, the vast majority of 3rd level grads are mediocre, very few are anything special.

Having said that, I don't think anyone can argue that TCD has the biggest (therefore the best) international reputation. They also have the best reputation within Ireland, especially (as a previous poster has mentioned) amongst the uneducated/uniformed/clueless. UCD and DCU do a lot of work on marketing and advertising, I don't TCD does the same.

I think it's important to remind yourself that there aren't a whole lot of famous institutions out there. If you asked Joe bloggs what the most famous college was he'd probably say Hogwarths. Other than Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, a couple of Ivy leaguers and thse with city names, not many people really know the names of top quality ressearch universities. I've met tonnes of people from the US who didn't have a clue what Trinity was or any college in Ireland was before they got here/specially googled it.

I wonder how many people who have chimed in on this thread would know the name of the 'best' colleges in Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, South Africa, China are?

I'm sure half of us only know about Duke university because they were in the media (for the wrong reasons) and american films/movies/books. It's 30000 a year to get a mickey mouse undergrad in Carnegie-melon, woh cares.

ananas · 08-05-2010 01:46PM

"Don't worry ananas, NUIG BCL's get on just fine...take it from me "

Don't you worry about me, I'm going to turn out juuuuuust fine:cool:

El Siglo · 08-05-2010 01:55PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I think he means Köln.

I think you killed the joke.

El Siglo · 08-05-2010 01:59PM

hada wrote: »

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

Best post, /thread.

ya-ba-da-ba-doo · 08-05-2010 02:06PM

Thirdfox wrote: »

Exactly, I think the universities in Ireland (UCD(D) and TCD are reaching the max of what they can achieve - without extra funding, be that from students fees or other sources).

And, to be fair, UCD was renamed to UCD, Dublin. I just abbreviate the second Dublin to D too (I'm sure entering UCD, Dublin into Google gets you the correct university :pac: )

And Hada - I guess you haven't noticed that we're in the AH forum and not the education one? Relax, if people want to vent here then it's par for the course. At least this thread won't get anyone pregnant (unlike 3-D porn films - according to another thread on this forum).

Your whole UCDD thing is really annoying and fairly pathetic.

Dionysus · 08-05-2010 02:16PM

hada wrote: »

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

Good post. I'd add that people who do their postgrad through a language which is not their own get extra points in my book, regardless of what university they are in. I know this guy who did his postgrad in Latin in an Italian university which he needed to have fluency in a second EU language (French in his case) in order to be accepted. They even asked him to give his doctoral proposal in French. By the time he finished in Italy he had added Italian, Latin and German to his language portfolio. To me, that's way more impressive than an English speaker going to Harvard or any other English-speaking university.

08-05-2010 02:25PM

hada wrote: »

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

Less well known unis being...? There's a big difference between Durham and South Bank university.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I think once you get outside the top 50 or so, nobody cares, but within that? They absolutely care. Rankings and reputation are very important in my field. People are headhunted from my department all the time because of its outstanding reputation and having the university on your CV means it will get looked at instead of binned. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, but that's the way it is, especially when dealing with European employers.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

And where do the Oxbridge rejects go? Do they go to the University of Central Lancashire? No, they go to Bristol, Durham, St Andrews - other prestigious unis.

davyjose · 08-05-2010 02:26PM

hada wrote: »

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

that's all well and good hada, but at the end of the day, if two guys are interviewing for a job in Wall street, both wet out of Uni, and one guy has a Masters from Harvard business school, and the other has a Master's from UCD*, 99 out of 100 times** the guy from Harvard gets the job.

That's just how it is.

*if he'd even get that far.
**(probably 100/100, but for the sake of argument....)

hada · 08-05-2010 03:53PM

[quote=[Deleted User];65786014]Less well known unis being...? There's a big difference between Durham and South Bank university.[/QUOTE]

Err...Brunel (a former Polytechnic), Aberystwyth University...would you like me to continue?

[quote=[Deleted User];65786014]And where do the Oxbridge rejects go? Do they go to the University of Central Lancashire? No, they go to Bristol, Durham, St Andrews - other prestigious unis.[/QUOTE]

Proving my point that it doesn't make a difference where you end up majorly, if you work hard enough, get the great results you deserve, you will eventually succeed.

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Also: While I take both the previous posters' points, I think my argument has been taken out of context.

I was specifically talking about the way this thread had developed into a 'which is better, UCD or TCD' argument.

My exact point is to even attempt to argue that one is better than the other is pointless. Especially if trying to say that one is ranked higher than the other generally - since they relatively low down the tables. Irish universities broadly offer the same level of opportunity - work hard, make something of yourself, and move on.

Anyway, I'd imagine that vast majority of 18 year olds in Ireland choose their university for geographical/practical purposes. I'd be damned if I were moving 5 hours across the country to make my parents pay double the rent I would have had to in Dublin, for the sake of attending TCD/UCD. Hell, that was my only reason - I didn't even know of the so called 'prestige' that the universities are claimed to have over other institutions as an 18 year old. Same was for the other 100 in my year: about half went to UL and half to NUIG. I know 2 people who went to Dublin - to do veterinary medicine (not available elsewhere).

Frankly the majority of friends studying here have *just* about heard of Trinity, and oftentimes they have to be told it's in Dublin.
Funnily enough, anytime (rarely, because people really don't care which Uni I went to before) I mention I went to Galway, the response is always starts with "I had the best night of my life/so many pubs/....) Funny that

Finally, the only reason I can think of someone having to tell others of how great their 3rd level institution is, is because they need an act of reassurance. I hate to generalise, but of the many many very smart/accomplished people I've met here, very few of them actually feel the need to impose their intelligence on me, by virtue of the fact that they went to X university. And anyone who does, quickly finds themselves isolated for doing so. I would hope the exact same happens in Ireland.

evercloserunion · 08-05-2010 04:01PM

hada wrote: »

This thread has turned into a p*ssing contest.

I went to NUIG and am now finishing a Masters at Cambridge. Many of my very close friends are Harvard/Yale/Oxford graduates, while many others are from less well known Unis - students are students, we're all the same in my experience.

This crap about TCD/UCD/wherever being ranked higher means absolutely nothing. In fact, rankings mean diddley squat nothing unless you're top 10 year-in-year-out. i.e. a number low enough that people can actually recognise its continued excellence.

Frankly no one cares if a uni is 42nd, 73rd or 215th. All that signifies is that a hell of a lot of other universities are better than it.

I should also add: Who cares what uni somebody went to? Cambridge alone this year turned away approx 4000 straight A students from undergrad admissions (we operate an interview here) - a lot of the time it's based purely on what school they went to/if their parents are Cambridge alumni, hell, I've even talked to some fellows and they've told me they accepted certain students because they shared a common interest in cricket!! Since you can only apply to Cambridge OR Oxford as undergrad, these academic high achievers will in effect, now be going to lower ranked unis in the UK.

At the end of the day, you make your degree what it is, no matter where you do it.

Let's stop with the smugness please.

I would definitely listen to this guy, have you seen where he's doing his Masters?

hada · 08-05-2010 04:21PM

evercloserunion wrote: »

I would definitely listen to this guy, have you seen where he's doing his Masters?

This is the point of what I've been saying:

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This is you:

> .

It seems you've kind of missed it.

peanuthead · 08-05-2010 04:23PM

Really-Stressed wrote: »

Lets cut the BS

UCD, TCD Maybe UCC = GOOD, Worth the effort

The rest= Glorified clown colleges

I.T= HA HA HA HA !!!:D

That has to be one of the most ignorant things I have come across on boards.

What an idiot

davyjose · 08-05-2010 04:23PM

hada wrote: »

This is the point of what I've been saying:
> .

This is you:
> .

It seems you've kind of missed it.

This is a joke

> .

This is you

> .

Are all degrees created equal?

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