Johnny Publican say's Comeback

FlutterinBantam · 04-05-2010 01:20PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

The expectation of going out for a pint, and getting a lift home at the end of the night from the barman for free is a joke. Putting the barman out, and surely there is not just one person looking for a lift. Why would the barman be out of pocket for that? Not all publicans work in their pubs, and those that do don't work in them all the time.

It's definately a good idea, and should be invested in if the pub can afford it, but to go out without a way home and to expect somebody else to look after you is unreal.

Maybe if he worded it a little differently he would have got a different reaction. Remembering orders is fine, but then you are liable for when that order is wrong or when they want something different. Best to wait for them to order it. It's thoughtful but can cause problems. I wouldn't like to have a pint put before me before I ask for it. "Carlsberg please"... that doesn't take long to say, does it?

The op's post is absurd, the expectation of some extra services is absurd.

Why the fcuk does everybody have to resort to insults when they are challanged? Fcuking childish. If you can't debate then please do piss off...

If you don't mind me saying so buddy, you have a very angry attitude.

All the OP expects, if I interpreted his post correctly, was a bit of civility,customer appreciation and value for money.

That's all most customers ask for,not sullen bar staff who have no interest and look like a clump of arse grapes just burst.

Surely that is what we are entitled to expect, given the prices charged.

A dull sullen pub with a threatening atmosphere will never do well, except in an area where that kind of shyte is accepted.

I can assure you buddy, that is not a place I want to socialise in.

The publicans are finding that out now, and all the window dressing and angry attitudes won't change that unless there is a change in the actual pubs.

04-05-2010 01:28PM

thetonynator wrote: »

Or if you're not drinking, no one wants to pay €2.40 for 250mls of a soft drink.

are the bottles not 220ml?

Which just makes it worse :mad:

ChiGung · 04-05-2010 01:32PM

I agree, a bit of pride in the job goes a long way too. The ability to be polite to customers and actually pore a decent pint of stout, not a bubbly Icelandic volcano.

And what about those ads - how annoyingly crap. Dara O'B has gone down in my opinion, mind you he has sold out a bit recently.

Irishcrx · 04-05-2010 02:00PM

I love going out, I do. I think the craic is great on a good night, it's easier to meet all my mates in town, I don't have to clean up the mess the next morning if I'd have stayed in and drank. BUT...It's so bloody expensive isn't it? I mean 7-8-9 quid for a jack and coke. I could buy a bottle in the off licence for that. They need to bring the prices down and some need to improve the facilities end of story. price is the main problem for people these days, Better offers, lower prices wil intice people back out. Nothing else, not even stupid radio adds that try convince us that the only place on the planet to get laid is in the pub locked out of your tree.

Love when the add plays next to one for the drinking sensible crowd. First add

"Come to the pub, go on, have a good time, women will love you if your there" next add

"Don't drink...you'll go to hell"

EL_Loco · 04-05-2010 02:16PM

don't worry lads, soon all it'll be is a heap of vending machines with some staff to make sure they don't get vandalised. and when I say some, maybe 2 bouncer types.

sure it's already began, tables with taps (Do you use your credit card in them?) I've only seen them, never used them. anyway, point being, DIY pubs.

bye bye pubs as you once knew them. You'll be on here in 5 years saying "remember a person used to hand you your beer, great days them"

ScumLord · 04-05-2010 02:24PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the Gardai slackened off on their D&D campaign it might help.

The guards in my town have backed off on after hours (in pubs) after hours is fine (during the week), as long as there's no fighting the pubs won't get any hassle from the guards. It's been great so far, with people leaving at all different hours there's no huge fights like lead to this town getting a reputation for fighting.

It's still mayhem every Saturday night when the young ones are unleashed at 2am on the dot but every other day the pubs are ticking over and there's no problems.

whadabouchasir · 04-05-2010 02:45PM

WindSock wrote: »

I don't want to pay €7.50 for a JD & Coke. There. I said it.

I agree comletely with that.i just can't see how anyone could justify charging that much for a 220 ml bottle of coke and a shot of JD.I man the actual cost price of these must be no more than €3.

Floppybits · 04-05-2010 03:03PM

whadabouchasir wrote: »

I agree comletely with that.i just can't see how anyone could justify charging that much for a 220 ml bottle of coke and a shot of JD.I man the actual cost price of these must be no more than €3.

What about the charging for a shot of Blackcurrent or Lime and they actually measure it out as well and charge you for each shot. As a non drinker the price of soft drinks in a pub is a disgrace. It can be as much as €5 for a rock shandy. :mad:

I use to work in a bar and what OP said is not that hard to do. Even in a busy pub you get to know the regulars and what they drink. It wont break the bank for the manager to give a free drink to a few customers every now and again and wouldn't kill the bar staff to be nice a polite to the customers.

ejmaztec · 04-05-2010 03:12PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If you don't mind me saying so buddy, you have a very angry attitude.

Having a virtual bar-room brawl is par for the course when discussing pubs in AH.:P

flas · 04-05-2010 03:13PM

oh dear god did someone here say that pubs charge for a shot of blackcurrent or lime mi-wadi?now thats a disgrace...

and the nightclubs in longofrd seem to have caught on in the fact that in the 2 nightclubs and the one late bar(half 2 closing) they all only charge 2euro a drink for any drink!!every single weekend these are full!!free in aswell before 12 so for at least 2 hours every weekend these places are full of paying customers,more of this around the country and people will stop complaining!

Ash.J.Williams · 04-05-2010 03:15PM

One great thing about the recession is Rock bars (and other music bars)seem to be opening up all over!!! No more pretentious expensive bars that in all fairness did not represent us very well as a nation!

ScumLord · 04-05-2010 03:18PM

flas wrote: »

oh dear god did someone here say that pubs charge for a shot of blackcurrent or lime mi-wadi?now thats a disgrace...

and the nightclubs in longofrd seem to have caught on in the fact that in the 2 nightclubs and the one late bar(half 2 closing) they all only charge 2euro a drink for any drink!!every single weekend these are full!!free in aswell before 12 so for at least 2 hours every weekend these places are full of paying customers,more of this around the country and people will stop complaining!

Not so much, I wouldn't want to go to places like that any more, overcrowded smelly nighclubs that play terrible, awful music just won't be top of my list anymore it doesn't matter how cheap the drink is.

M5 · 04-05-2010 03:26PM

billy the squid wrote: »

Pubs are too expensive, and we don't have the climate for outdoor smoking areas.

At home you can have friends around if you like, be nice and warm and have a smoke without freezing your balls off outdoors.

Your not allowed to die of lung cancer, Pneumonia is just fine though:rolleyes:

flas · 04-05-2010 03:30PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Not so much, I wouldn't want to go to places like that any more, overcrowded smelly nighclubs that play terrible, awful music just won't be top of my list anymore it doesn't matter how cheap the drink is.

but thats the thing,one of the nightclubs your taking about has just generic disco music playing in it like any other nightclub in the country,another one has live music in it every saturday night and the other one, well you could hear absolutely anything in it at any time!!so what ever you want you can get it!

problemchimp · 04-05-2010 03:35PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the Gardai slackened off on their D&D campaign it might help.

why should they?

ScumLord · 04-05-2010 03:39PM

problemchimp wrote: »

why should they?

Bejcausess, sure Amint Is jdust up de road there sure.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-05-2010 05:12PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If you don't mind me saying so buddy, you have a very angry attitude.

Problem with perception is that we are all subject to it, expecially on the internet, it's often wrong... I am far from angry.

All the OP expects, if I interpreted his post correctly, was a bit of civility,customer appreciation and value for money.

That's all most customers ask for,not sullen bar staff who have no interest and look like a clump of arse grapes just burst.

Surely that is what we are entitled to expect, given the prices charged.

A dull sullen pub with a threatening atmosphere will never do well, except in an area where that kind of shyte is accepted.

I can assure you buddy, that is not a place I want to socialise in.

The publicans are finding that out now, and all the window dressing and angry attitudes won't change that unless there is a change in the actual pubs.

From what I understood from his post is that he wants freebees and the publican to look after him by means of paying for a taxi. Which is absurd.

Wanting lower prices, better customer service (reasonable customer service suggestions) and better toilets is without a doubt fine. How anybody can find the other suggestions reasonable, is beyond me.

If your local doesn't provide you with a service that you like, then you don't go there. Go to another pub, chances are it's no more than a few miles away in most cases. If you have no way home, don't go out, if you have no money, don't go out.

FlutterinBantam · 04-05-2010 05:21PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

Problem with perception is that we are all subject to it, expecially on the internet, it's often wrong... I am far from angry.

From what I understood from his post is that he wants freebees and the publican to look after him by means of paying for a taxi. Which is absurd.

Wanting lower prices, better customer service (reasonable customer service suggestions) and better toilets is without a doubt fine. How anybody can find the other suggestions reasonable, is beyond me.

If your local doesn't provide you with a service that you like, then you don't go there. Go to another pub, chances are it's no more than a few miles away in most cases. If you have no way home, don't go out, if you have no money, don't go out.

With all due respect bud,you seem to be the only person who took that interpretation.

Pubs today are failing because

a/ too expensive
b/ poor service
c/ external influences which we all know about.

Now some publicans have copped on and tried to address the problem.

Others have done fcuk all and carried on as if it was back in 2005 when a pub was a licence to print money.

There is a major shift to home drinking, and publicans need to wise up and drop their prices and give value for money.

€4.30 for a focking bottle 330ml of beer I S N O T G O O D VA L U E

Get off your high horse and get real bud.

kraggy · 04-05-2010 06:05PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If you don't mind me saying so buddy, you have a very angry attitude.

All the OP expects, if I interpreted his post correctly, was a bit of civility,customer appreciation and value for money.

That's all most customers ask for,not sullen bar staff who have no interest and look like a clump of arse grapes just burst.

Surely that is what we are entitled to expect, given the prices charged.

A dull sullen pub with a threatening atmosphere will never do well, except in an area where that kind of shyte is accepted.

I can assure you buddy, that is not a place I want to socialise in.

The publicans are finding that out now, and all the window dressing and angry attitudes won't change that unless there is a change in the actual pubs.

Have disagreed with you in the past Flutt, but you're bang on the money there in fairness to you.

Nail on head.

kraggy · 04-05-2010 06:07PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

Problem with perception is that we are all subject to it, expecially on the internet, it's often wrong... I am far from angry.

From what I understood from his post is that he wants freebees and the publican to look after him by means of paying for a taxi. Which is absurd.

Wanting lower prices, better customer service (reasonable customer service suggestions) and better toilets is without a doubt fine. How anybody can find the other suggestions reasonable, is beyond me.

If your local doesn't provide you with a service that you like, then you don't go there. Go to another pub, chances are it's no more than a few miles away in most cases. If you have no way home, don't go out, if you have no money, don't go out.

It was clear that the OP meant an occasionaly free pint e.g. at Christmas or something.

His main point was that there isn't value for money and that will have to change.

And he was right.

Do you own a pub or something?

FlutterinBantam · 04-05-2010 06:08PM

kraggy wrote: »

Have disagreed with you in the past Flutt, but you're bang on the money there in fairness to you.

Nail on head.

No worries Kraggser, the Flutt isn't everybody's cup of tea.

An acquired taste:cool:

Degag · 04-05-2010 06:35PM

i think most pubs give drinks to their locals at Christmas anyway...

kraggy · 04-05-2010 06:39PM

Degag wrote: »

i think most pubs give drinks to their locals at Christmas anyway...

Outside urban Dublin, probably, yes.

Can't imagine Cafe en Seine giving them out on Christmas Eve though.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-05-2010 06:43PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

With all due respect bud,you seem to be the only person who took that interpretation.

Pubs today are failing because

a/ too expensive
b/ poor service
c/ external influences which we all know about.

Now some publicans have copped on and tried to address the problem.

Others have done fcuk all and carried on as if it was back in 2005 when a pub was a licence to print money.

There is a major shift to home drinking, and publicans need to wise up and drop their prices and give value for money.

€4.30 for a focking bottle 330ml of beer I S N O T G O O D VA L U E

Get off your high horse and get real bud.

I would like for you to point out to me where I disagreed with the suggestion of lowering of prices? I agreed with it. Read the posts before you reply.

The ads are trying to persuade people back out, it's not forcing anybody out. If the prices haven't changed, the ads ain't going to do much good.

Pot Noodle = · 04-05-2010 06:56PM

Every 4th pint should be free Publicans should do a deal with the Brewers and get a free barrell with so many orders something like that , but the greedy feckers would probably keep it and sell it on:mad:

rodgered · 04-05-2010 06:58PM

Look, you can say all you want about people wanting the odd pint free at christmas, or maybe a lift home. People will come back to the pubs when the price of drink reduces. Its that simple.

Ive heard people complain about the courtesy of bar staff and i see where they're coming from but to be honest i wouldnt give a fiddlers fcuk how i was treated if my beer was cheap.

I would happily spend two minutes ordering off some little prick if it meant drinking cheap guinness with my friends!

Prices are dropping all over the country in almost every aspect of the economy, and until the publicans follow i'll just continue to drink the tits of myself at home

Adyx · 04-05-2010 07:00PM

Degag wrote: »

The ammount of absolute pricks you meet on a day to day basis is unreal.

Especially "regulars".

Sofiztikated · 04-05-2010 07:01PM

Yeah, IAX, I'm going to have to go with everyone else here. The OP wasn't asking for freeze booze all night every night, and a lift home afterwards.

And what's wrong with remembering drinks? Drinkers are creatures of habit. 90% of the time, paddy is going to have a pint, shiela will have a G&T, and Chantelle will have a bottle of bitchpiss.

All the OP was stating was instead of spending €000's on advertising, a few small changes cost little, and gain lots

Degag · 04-05-2010 07:10PM

Pot wrote:

Every 4th pint should be free Publicans should do a deal with the Brewers and get a free barrell with so many orders something like that , but the greedy feckers would probably keep it and sell it on:mad:

Oh yeah, so do you get the newspaper, sandwich and bottle of water you buy in the same shop seven days a week free every forth day?

adyx wrote: »

Especially "regulars".

Yeah, sometimes......

FlutterinBantam · 04-05-2010 07:14PM

Degag wrote: »

Oh yeah, so do you get the newspaper, sandwich and bottle of water you buy in the same shop seven days a week free every forth day?

Yeah, sometimes......

yes I do.

I have a loyalty card which generates a free hand out every quarter.

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