Johnny Publican say's Comeback

Fulton Crown · 03-05-2010 10:13PM #1

So the publicans are trying to get us to come back..according to the advys on radio sponsored by the Vintners Federation.

Good lads....missed trying to rip us off hmm ?

Still some of you charging up to 7 euro for a quarter bott of wine - you can buy it for less than 3 euro retail in a Supermarket.

Got some advice for you lads:

We are sick of being ripped off

We don't like surly / rude/ disinterested staff

We don't like takin a piss in a smelly hell hole of a jax - ..before 11pm anyways.

A little nod of recognition would be appreciated..remembering our "usual" that would be very good.

The odd free one or the offer of a lift home..now your getting it.

Get those things right and you won't need to spend money on futile advts.

DublinWriter · 03-05-2010 10:15PM

At this stage they should just stick to hosting FF TD clinics.

Run_to_da_hills · 03-05-2010 10:16PM

If the Gardai slackened off on their D&D campaign it might help.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 03-05-2010 10:20PM

Fulton Crown wrote: »

So the publicans are trying to get us to come back..according to the advys on radio sponsored by the Vintners Federation.

Good lads....missed trying to rip us off hmm ?

Still some of you charging up to 7 euro for a quarter bott of wine - you can buy it for less than 3 euro retail in a Supermarket.

Got some advice for you lads:

We are sick of being ripped off

We don't like surly / rude/ disinterested staff

We don't like takin a piss in a smelly hell hole of a jax - ..before 11pm anyways.

A little nod of recognition would be appreciated..remembering our "usual" that would be very good.

The odd free one or the offer of a lift home..now your getting it.

Get those things right and you won't need to spend money on futile advts.

WTF are you talking about? Most of it is shíte... You want free beer? You want a lift home? You want a barman to remember your order? WTF are you expecting really?

Why do you expect free beer? Basic commerce, you want a good, you pay for it.

Why do you want a lift home? Get your mammy or daddy to take you home, ffs.

You want a barman to remember your order? Yet the same person will bítch and whine when he gives it to you and "that's not what I was going to order"... You also have to realise that you are responsible for yourself, how the fcuk is the barman going to know what you want to drink at a point in time?

Next you'll be wanting johnny publican tucking you into bed...

Prices are too expensive and most of the toilets are mank. That's something to complain about.

Fukuyama · 03-05-2010 10:22PM

A few little tweaks to take pubs back tot he way they were ten - 15 years ago would have them packed most nights.

Bring down the prices a little maybe ....

Put the punter first....

Fulton Crown · 03-05-2010 10:25PM

DublinWriter wrote: »

At this stage they should just stick to hosting FF TD clinics.

Yeah It's amazing how thick cnunts cluster together ....must be sommat in it for them hosting all those clinics ?

At least the Temple bar pubs only rip off the tourists and we don't need any repeat business from that source.

Do we ?

What are our Tourist Board doing about it...yrah i know ...nothin !

WindSock · 03-05-2010 10:25PM

I don't want to pay €7.50 for a JD & Coke. There. I said it.

thetonynator · 03-05-2010 10:32PM

Or if you're not drinking, no one wants to pay €2.40 for 250mls of a soft drink.

AnonoBoy · 03-05-2010 10:33PM

I love the pub.

It's great craic.

starbelgrade · 03-05-2010 10:33PM

Methinks that OP is going to the wrong pubs.

dr.bollocko · 03-05-2010 10:33PM

WindSock wrote: »

I don't want to pay €7.50 for a JD & Coke. There. I said it.

JD and coke?!
Aristocrat eh?
:mad:

Fulton Crown · 03-05-2010 10:37PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

WTF are you talking about? Most of it is shíte... You want free beer? You want a lift home? You want a barman to remember your order? WTF are you expecting really?

Why do you expect free beer? Basic commerce, you want a good, you pay for it.

Why do you want a lift home? Get your mammy or daddy to take you home, ffs.

You want a barman to remember your order? Yet the same person will bítch and whine when he gives it to you and "that's not what I was going to order"... You also have to realise that you are responsible for yourself, how the fcuk is the barman going to know what you want to drink at a point in time?

Next you'll be wanting johnny publican tucking you into bed...

Prices are too expensive and most of the toilets are mank. That's something to complain about.

No pal --I said "the odd free beer" just to fcukin recognise me as a customer like...maybe like one every six months - it happens down in Spain and Greece all the time.

All the barman has to say is "The usual is it" If i don't want the usual i can tell him.

I'm not talkin about a lift home every night... but there might be the very odd occasion when a lift might be necessary ..it's a local i only live a few miles away ..couldnt Johnny Publican call a Jo max and say OK pal it's on the house.

It's like a loyalty programme ...all the Supermarkets do it.

It's not rocket science.....

starbelgrade · 03-05-2010 10:42PM

My local barman always says "hello" - he's a very affable bloke, gives out "Christmas pints" at Christmas, a free round if it's someone's birthday & never lets anyone drive home if they're in no fit state to do so. Plus the pints are €3 during any football or rugby matches.

Great little pub it is.

My name is URL · 03-05-2010 10:44PM

That Newstalk ad for 'going to the pub after work' is bloody depressing. Gives me the image of a few smelly regualars hunkered around the Racing Post.. which is probably the exact image they want to shake off!

Fulton Crown · 03-05-2010 10:50PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

My local barman always says "hello" - he's a very affable bloke, gives out "Christmas pints" at Christmas, a free round if it's someone's birthday & never lets anyone drive home if they're in no fit state to do so. Plus the pints are €3 during any football or rugby matches.

Great little pub it is.

This about sums it up - this guy/gal has access to a national treasure - now if only all pubs followed this SIMPLE thinking ..no need fer the advts.

orourkeda · 03-05-2010 10:52PM

I think we should all go back to our knacker drinking days of sleeping on park benches and in train stations

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 03-05-2010 10:54PM

Fulton Crown wrote: »

No pal --I said "the odd free beer" just to fcukin recognise me as a customer like...maybe like one every six months - it happens down in Spain and Greece all the time.

Firstly, i'm not your pal, buddy...

But why should you get free beer? I don't get a free pack of rashers down the shop to be recognised as a customer. Pubs, like shops, have promotions. Not all of them do, but that's where "shopping around" comes into it.
A lot of things happen in Spain and Greece all the time that doesn't happen here... You cannot compare countries... :rolleyes:

All the barman has to say is "The usual is it" If i don't want the usual i can tell him.

Yea? To you and the 600 other people he met that day? How hard is it for you to ask for a pint? It's pure laziness. Tattoo it to your head if it bothers you that much.

I'm not talkin about a lift home every night... but there might be the very odd occasion when a lift might be necessary ..it's a local i only live a few miles away ..couldnt Johnny Publican call a Jo max and say OK pal it's on the house.

Sure why don't you get him to take you out for a hangover steak the next day? You got to the pub, surely you can get home. Why would you go out without making sure you had a way home? That's just silly.

Then you expect somebody else to pay for your taxi home? lol

Your sense of entitlement is laughable.

It's like a loyalty programme ...all the Supermarkets do it.

It's not rocket science.....

It sure isn't rocket science, but you have yet to figure it out.

03-05-2010 10:56PM

I don't go to Pubs that often...i am not much of drinker anyway....but those ads for the pub would put you off going to a pub!!!!

thetonynator · 03-05-2010 10:59PM

Fulton Crown wrote: »

No pal --I said "the odd free beer" just to fcukin recognise me as a customer like...maybe like one every six months - it happens down in Spain and Greece all the time.

All the barman has to say is "The usual is it" If i don't want the usual i can tell him.

I'm not talkin about a lift home every night... but there might be the very odd occasion when a lift might be necessary ..it's a local i only live a few miles away ..couldnt Johnny Publican call a Jo max and say OK pal it's on the house.

It's like a loyalty programme ...all the Supermarkets do it.

It's not rocket science.....

Well Greece just required a massive bailout, and Spain has 20% unemployment or something, so if thats what a free round does to a country, i'd prefer it the way it is . . .

bonerm · 03-05-2010 11:00PM

Makes me glad I quit drinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8ysZbOANU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j63FoHikZrA

drkpower · 03-05-2010 11:02PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

Your sense of entitlement is laughable.

The publicans are the ones who are struggling for business, and who are paying for ads in order to drum up business. The point that Fulton is making is that if the publicans introduced few/some/many incentives to come to the pub, and come again, more people would. What those incentives could be is open for suggestion.

It is laughable that you dont seem to get that very very very simple point.

starbelgrade · 03-05-2010 11:02PM

Fulton Crown wrote: »

This about sums it up - this guy/gal has access to a national treasure - now if only all pubs followed this SIMPLE thinking ..no need fer the advts.

I think your problem is that you either live in Dublin or one of the other cities or a large town. There's pubs all over the country like my local - I've been to hundreds of them on my travels.

irish_goat · 03-05-2010 11:07PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

Yea? To you and the 600 other people he met that day? How hard is it for you to ask for a pint? It's pure laziness. Tattoo it to your head if it bothers you that much.

Unless it's a busy city centre pub it's unlikely that the barman will have been dealing with hundreds of faceless customers. It's not too hard to remember what someone drinks after you've served them 2 or 3 times. People buying rounds sometimes forget what another person in their group might be drinking as well so it's a sign of a good barman if he can rhyme off the previous round to remind the customer(and saves the time they'd spend going back to their table to check).

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 03-05-2010 11:07PM

drkpower wrote: »

The publicans are the ones who are struggling for business, and who are paying for ads in order to drum up business. The point that Fulton is making is that if the publicans introduced few/some/many incentives to come to the pub, and come again, more people would. What those incentives could be is open for suggestion.

It is laughable that you dont seem to get that very very very simple point.

Obviously, but he expects free beer, lifts home and the bar man to remember his order. Absurd and unfair suggestions to make.

Differentiate from your customers, or price drop. Simple.

I suggested already a price drop already as one of the main reasons for people not going out is the costs involved.

The publican can provide a taxi service, but why should he pay for it too? If you want a lift home the taxi goes at 1 2 and 3, it's 5 euro each that you pay before getting in. Just to cover costs. If you miss it, then tough shít.

Teferi · 03-05-2010 11:11PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

Yea? To you and the 600 other people he met that day? How hard is it for you to ask for a pint? It's pure laziness. Tattoo it to your head if it bothers you that much.

I'm not your buddy, friend...

I don't work in a bar but I work in an offo that would have 500+ customers a day. I know all the regulars, I know what they are going to get so I have their beers priced up on the till before they get there and a bag out if they take a bag. Plus I have the card machine ready if they normally pay with card. I'd expect that a barman would know the regulars too (not only the alco's...).

kraggy · 03-05-2010 11:16PM

I went into Hogan's on George's St in Dublin the other night with some Canadian friends of mine who came to Ireland for a holiday.

Had the rudest, most unfriendly prick of a barman. Won't be going there again. Not a chance.

Maybe if bars/pubs drilled into the staff that without us customers, they wouldn't have a job, then we'd collectively be more likely to visit their establishments.

The experience in Hogan's was both cringeworthy and embarassing. My tourist friends couldn't believe it. And neither could I.

drkpower · 03-05-2010 11:16PM

Alfredo Polite Sinner wrote: »

Obviously, but he expects free beer, lifts home and the bar man to remember his order. Absurd and unfair suggestions to make.

Differentiate from your customers, or price drop. Simple.

I suggested already a price drop already as one of the main reasons for people not going out is the costs involved.

The publican can provide a taxi service, but why should he pay for it too? If you want a lift home the taxi goes at 1 2 and 3, it's 5 euro each that you pay before getting in. Just to cover costs. If you miss it, then tough shít.

A price drop is no different from a free beer now and again; in fact it probably costs less and may engender more goodwill (although there may be some legal difficulties with the latter). Yet you lambasted Fulton for the suggestion.

A publican in certain rural aresa/sparsely populated suburbs putting on a minibus at the end of the night for regulars is a cost-effective way of bringing people in and encouraging them to stay later. Yet you lambasted Fulton for the suggestion.

A barman remebering a regular's order is not that difficult at all. The guy in the coffee shop I go occasionally for lunch remembers my order and has the coffee on when I join the queue. Its a little thing but it brings me back. Yet you lambasted Fulton for the suggestion.

All of the above are relatively cost-effective solutions to increase business; the fact that you think they are absurd and lambaste someone for making the suggestion is puzzling and shows a lack of any flexible thinking on your part.

DEVEREUX · 03-05-2010 11:16PM

bonerm wrote: »

Makes me glad I quit drinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8ysZbOANU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j63FoHikZrA

W...T....F :eek:

efb · 03-05-2010 11:21PM

bonerm wrote: »

Makes me glad I quit drinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8ysZbOANU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j63FoHikZrA

Maybe they should get WiMax guy from imagine dot i e :rolleyes:

Did the VFI ever try to eat the food served in Rural pubs, Mr Findus has nothing to worry about, and the loos...:"Hi Im domestos, use me!"

I shudder to think how they deal with female sanitation...

"If it wont go down the loo chuck it ou' the winda"

CoalBucket · 03-05-2010 11:22PM

My local gives the first drink free on a sun night.

Sometimes we wouldn't go in for a few weeks but you still get the compted drink.

The owner values regular custom and most birthdays, engagement parties, funerals are held there because of that.

Publicans take note.

liah · 03-05-2010 11:31PM

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to want a feeling of camaraderie around a pub, and that's all the OP was really on about.

Iamxavier, I can understand your point about how it's not up to the barman to remember everyone's order/that he has to do the same for a lot of others/why should he have to spot you a pint etc. etc. etc. Obviously it's not the barman's responsibility to do these things, it's your own. I get that. And I see where you're coming from.

But to be honest, you're taking an awfully callous, anti-social take on it. A pub is essentially meant to be a "public house." He's talking about small town or country pubs, not a business in the middle of Dublin that's going to attract a thousand people a day. These small town pubs generally have bar staff who were raised in the town, know all the people who come in their pub to see, and have a definite group of regulars.

Obviously the OP wasn't suggesting that the bar staff give away free pints and cab rides to every single Joe Soap to walk in the place. He's saying that there's absolutely nothing wrong with the bar staff maybe recognizing that he has a loyal, dedicated customer who consistently gives business to his pub and puts money in his pockets. This loyal customer will often bring mates in, who will also become regulars, and therefore more money in his pockets. Therefore it's in the barman's best interests to make the regulars feel as welcome as possible. And to do that all he has to do is treat them like friends-- because that's what they've become. So what's wrong with having the regulars stay in for a lock-in? Throwing in some free champagne on New Years? Bringing in a bit of free bar food when the game's on? Spotting a pint for a lad on his birthday?

I mean, from a technical perspective, you're completely right. The barman shouldn't be given the responsibility of all this. But from a social perspective, that way doesn't work and doesn't attract nor hold people-- which is bad for business. Human beings are society-driven, they strive to find comfort and familiarity and safety. That's why they go to the pub. To have a bit of craic. Being stared down by a barman who's counting the cents doesn't really add to that experience and makes the punter far less inclined to return, and therefore that's money out of the barman's pocket.

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