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Dole Fraudsters - Give Up Your Oul Sins!

  • 03-05-2010 02:10PM
    #1
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭


    Call for social welfare amnesty
    The Government should introduce a social welfare amnesty to prevent fraud estimated at €660 million a year, a business group said today.

    The Small Firms Association said it was estimated 3 per cent of payments a year are lost across all social welfare categories and that this must stop.

    It suggested a 90-day social welfare amnesty whereby recipients would be given the opportunity to admit any fraudulent claims.

    “While the Department of Social and Family Affairs have taken action to deal with the issue of fraud, in 2009, 308 cases were forwarded to the Chief State Solicitor’s Office to initiate legal proceedings and 356 cases were finalised in court and more recently in the area of cross border social welfare claims, however, more needs to be done,” said SFA director Avine McNally.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0503/breaking13.html


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  • #2
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    The Small Firms Association said it was estimated 3 per cent of payments a year are lost across all social welfare categories

    Funny from reading some of the anti-welfare rants on AH I was sure it was more like 97% ?


  • #3
    Smcgie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    Another government fail if introduced

    Fraudster: Hi I want to give up my €200 that I have been claiming illegally for the last number of years.

    Dole: Sorry were are on strike at the moment, a dole amnesty is also not in or job description.

    Another Mega Fail - palm to face!!


  • #4
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    ANOTHER Dole Bashing Thread!

    Do the bigots ever give up.

    Look if you all love the dole so much, quit whinging and quit your job and stfu.

    Also please turn to page 2 for the exciting conclusion of this rant ;)


  • #5
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Funny from reading some of the anti-welfare rants on AH I was sure it was more like 97% ?

    The AH 97% usually refers to the legally paid €3000 each per week and the free Beemers, backed up by the word "FACT!".


  • #6
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Smcgie wrote: »
    Another government fail:

    Fraudster: Hi I want to give up my €200 that I have been claiming illegally for the last number of years.

    Dole: Sorry were are on strike at the moment, a dole amnesty is also not in or job description.

    Another Mega Fail - palm to face!!

    No - it's a proposal that has been put forward by the Small Firms Association. Thread reading & reply fail. ;)


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  • #7
    Smcgie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    I use my dole money for coke and hookers B)


  • #8
    Smcgie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    No - it's a proposal that has been put forward by the Small Firms Association. Thread reading & reply fail. ;)

    I edited before you posted = you fail ;)


  • #9
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    ANOTHER Dole Bashing Thread!

    Do the bigots ever give up.

    Look if you all love the dole so much, quit whinging and quit your job and stfu.

    It's not a dole bashing thread & it's neither written by a bigot, nor a proposal put forward by bigots. If you took the time to read the article, rather than lashing out with your vitriol, you would see that it is a proposal to allow dole fraudsters - not those legitametely recieving benefits - to come forward & admit that they are illegaly taking money from the taxpayers pockets.

    It would work in much the same way as the weapons amnesty we had a while back & with that amnesty, I never heard anyone complaining about "illegal weapon's owners bashing".


  • #10
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Smcgie wrote: »
    I edited before you posted = you fail ;)

    And I quoted you before you edited. Who failed there?!


  • #11
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    It's not a dole bashing thread & it's neither written by a bigot, nor a proposal put forward by bigots. If you took the time to read the article, rather than lashing out with your vitriol, you would see that it is a proposal to allow dole fraudsters - not those legitametely recieving benefits - to come forward & admit that they are illegaly taking money from the taxpayers pockets.

    It would work in much the same way as the weapons amnesty we had a while back & with that amnesty, I never heard anyone complaining about "illegal weapon's owners bashing"

    It is ESTIMATED. Estimations, not fact. I would drill into their figures and most likely disprove most of it. And even if they are accurate, who flipping cares. The government just dropped 42 Billion in Anglo and reached into workers pockets for it. And you attack the dole. Are you secretly Sean Fitzpatrick??

    The dole is like a weapons amnesty? Man are you for real?

    You seem to spend most of your time in AH bashing people on the dole, during the day. Are you at work right now during office hours giving out about dole scroungers whilst getting paid to be on Boards??

    Like seriously, did someone on the dole rape your dog or hang your cat? Such haters.


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  • #12
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    It is ESTIMATED. Estimations, not fact. I would drill into their figures and most likely disprove most of it.

    The dole is like a weapons amnesty? Man are you for real?

    You seem to spend most of your time in AH bashing people on the dole, during the day. Are you at work right now during office hours giving out about dole scroungers whilst getting paid to be on Boards??

    Like seriously, did someone on the dole rape your dog or hang your cat? Such haters.

    No-one is saying that the figures put forward are fact. That is not the point. The point is, that there is a percentage of people who are claiming the dole, who are doing so illegally. No-one knows the real extent - it could be 2%, it could be 0.00002%, but whatever the figure is, an amnesty would be a very cost effective way of reducing these figures as the investigation of social welfare fraud takes up a lot of time, money & resources.

    As for me spending my time "dole bashing" - back that up or GTFO.


  • #13
    changes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    Waste and fraud can be attacked on all fronts. It shouldn't be a choice between Anglo and dole fraud.... waste is waste and fraud is fraud.

    BTW the amnesty is a joke... dole fraudsters don't lose sleep about getting caught. The penalties need to be massively increased for dole fraud and all types of fraud imo (white and blue collar)


  • #14
    PCPhoto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    Smcgie wrote: »
    I use my dole money for cookers and hoke B)


    FYP ;)


  • #15
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    The dole is like a weapons amnesty? Man are you for real?

    He said this amnesty is like the weapons amnesty; he was drawing an analogy.

    Come on, I know you're better than to completely misrepresent what posters say.


  • #16
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    As for me spending my time "dole bashing" - back that up or GTFO.

    Targeting:
    starbelgrade wrote: »
    In the true spirit of social inclusion, I propose to, by Friday kick out the following;

    1. All foreigners, out of the country
    2. All doleites, off the dole
    3. All fat people, onto the weight watchers programme
    4. All newbies, off Boards
    5. All preists, out of the Church.

    I hope I haven't left anyone out. ;)
    will PEOPLE EVER STOP GENERALISING ABOUT PEOPLE ON THE DOLE!!!

    As so many have said before. Just live on the dole and see if it is in any way luxurious. you will soon realise that dole luxuries are BS for 99.999% of people

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65656668#post65656668

    Starbelgrade
    I take it then that the figure of 99.999% of people is indeed a sourced figure & not just a generalisation as to what they actually spend their money on?
    starbelgrade wrote: »
    It's not the people that have been made unemployed that I have a beef with. It's not even the long term unemployed who have never worked that I have a particular beef with either.

    My problem is with the system. It was never designed to deal with the situation that most of the recently unemployed people now face. All of them payed PRSI for many years, yet when faced with the prospect of long term unemployment, most only recieve benefits for a year before they are means tested & the self employed don't recieve any benefits at all.

    It makes you wonder why people pay PRSI at all, when all it seems to do is promote the culture & support the lifestyles of the dolites who wouldn't take a job if their lives depended on it & have never contributed anything whatsoever to the system or society
    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Social Welfare is supposed to be there to provide emergency support for those who find themselves out of work. Unfortunately, for a long, long time it has become a career choice for many people who couldn't be ars*d working & is designed in such a way that it is actually an attractive choice for many people.

    It wasn't designed for the situation we are in now - many of the professionals you mentioned above were hit by the collapse of the construction industry which started around 2 years ago. A lot of them no longer recieve benefits as they have run out & others, who were self employed, never recieved any in the first place.

    Meanwhile, the scobies & layabouts still get their "entitlements", minus the Christmas "bonus". (The government didn't "think of the kids" there!)

    Pay Related Social Insurance is one of the most inappropriately named things ever - it is pay related alright, but only related to what you are being paid.

    As for drug testing? Jesus H. Why not just shoot them?


  • #17
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Targeting:

    The second quote was clearly a tongue-in-cheek post. Even you can clearly see that.

    The 3rd quote is from yourself.

    The 4th & 5th quotes are posts by me which question the system by which social welfare benefits are distributed & quite clearly, in no way constitute "dole bashing".

    As I said, back up your accusations or stop making them.


  • #18
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Meanwhile, the scobies & layabouts still get their "entitlements",

    Nope, no bashing there at all.

    I think anyone with an ability to read can call this one.


  • #19
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Give up me dole:eek:


  • #20
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Nope, no bashing there at all.

    I think anyone with an ability to read can call this one.

    What you fail to recognise, either through a blind distaste for anything I have written, or for other personal reasons, is that in the current climate, there is a fundamental need to address the way in which social welfare benefits are distibruted.

    The system was never introduced to deal with the situation we are in now - ie., that we have a huge amount of highly skilled & motivated workers being made unemployed & facing long term unemployment with very little chance of them getting jobs any time soon - especially in the likes of the construction industry.

    Many of these workers recieve benefits for up to a year & are then are means tested. Others, who were self-employed are not entitled to any benefits whatsoever. Yet, these people paid enormous amounts of taxes & PRSI into a system that will fail to help them out when they are in a time of financial difficulty.

    Compare them, to a long term dolite, who has never worked, never intends to work & has never paid PRSI in his / her life.

    The system is highly inequitable & not justifiable, in that it provides more long term support to those who have never contributed to it all.

    This is not "dole bashing". If anything, I think that Social Welfare benefits should be extended to include those who were made redundant due to the downturn in the economy.

    If you want to continue accusing me of "dole bashing", then fire away - I have made my point clearly & repeatedly and have no interest in engaging in this discussion any further.


  • #21
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    What you fail to recognise, either through a blind distaste for anything I have written, or for other personal reasons, is that in the current climate, there is a fundamental need to address the way in which social welfare benefits are distibruted.

    The system was never introduced to deal with the situation we are in now - ie., that we have a huge amount of highly skilled & motivated workers being made unemployed & facing long term unemployment with very little chance of them getting jobs any time soon - especially in the likes of the construction industry.

    Many of these workers recieve benefits for up to a year & are then are means tested. Others, who were self-employed are not entitled to any benefits whatsoever. Yet, these people paid enormous amounts of taxes & PRSI into a system that will fail to help them out when they are in a time of financial difficulty.

    Compare them, to a long term dolite, who has never worked, never intends to work & has never paid PRSI in his / her life.

    The system is highly inequitable & not justifiable, in that it provides more long term support to those who have never contributed to it all.

    This is not "dole bashing". If anything, I think that Social Welfare benefits should be extended to include those who were made redundant due to the downturn in the economy.

    If you want to continue accusing me of "dole bashing", then fire away - I have made my point clearly & repeatedly and have no interest in engaging in this discussion any further.

    Oh dear. I will make the same point here I made in the other thread.

    Self employed persons are entitled to deductions from expenses, they do not pay VAT on purchases if VAT registered, are entitled to claim capital allowances and other tax write downs against interest. If they are self employed they are presumably earning a wage, if they are not, well they can go on the dole.

    The dole is just over 27 euro a day. This is very very very difficult to live on.

    I agree that the system is highly unfair, but as a tax consultant whose job it is to ensure my clients pay as little or no tax as possible I can inform you that the top earners in this country pay the least tax. Those like Michael O Leary choose to pay tax, he could feck off to Switzerland if he wanted.

    The government has chosen to bail out the bankers who are responsible for the financial collapse in this country and instead of heaping the blame where it belongs you decide to attack the people who are out of work, depressed and in many cases are forced to emigrate to find employment.

    You sir, are better off retiring from this debate, and the next time you start another stupid dole bashing thread I'll be back with the same points.


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  • #22
    Calibos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭Calibos


    It seems to me that this is like the unmarried mothers threads. You have a thread started specifically to discuss the pyjama during the day wearing unmaried mothers called jacinta with 4 kids by 4 different absent fathers and the inherent incentive for them to drop another sprog to get more welfare or a bigger house.

    Then in comes a girl with a college degree with one child from a relationship that didn't last with an ex that tries his best to contribute to the cost of rearing his kid, who is drawing welfare/child support while working part time and doing night courses to increase her job skillset. And she starts bashing the thread starter for giving out about HER.

    She's so Vain. I bet she thought that thread was about her....about her :rolleyes:

    Similarily, no one is giving out about the 150,000 'Workers' that just joined the dole queues in the last few years. No one is giving out about those on genuine disability, no one is giving out about those who for other genuine reasons are not suitable for the workforce. They are giving out about the hardcore 100,000 lazy wastes of space that take advantage of the rest of us.


  • #23
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Yes, that take advantage of the massive payout of 27 bucks a day. The bastards.

    Pull your heads out of your holes.


  • #24
    Calibos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Yes, that take advantage of the massive payout of 27 bucks a day. The bastards.

    Pull your heads out of your holes.

    You don't seem to understand why it rankles people that some tossers get something for nothing. That the people who work 40+ hours a week for only a hundred quid more (14 quid a day more) shouldn't complain about the wasters that sit on their hole all day for nearly the same money???

    Look, it even has an evolutionary basis. A fcuking chimpanzee has an instinctual sense of unfairness. Experiments have shown that a chimp will throw his carrot away in disgust if the chimp in the cage beside him gets a nice juicy melon whereas he will be thrilled with the carrot if his neighbour gets a carrot too.

    Now of course you will say this sounds more like jealousy. No I am not jealous of the guy that gets something for nothing. I don't want to be him because I have some self respect. I don't want that lazy fecker to have nothing either but there has to be some incentive for him to get up of his lazy ass and join the workforce and contribute like the rest of us.


  • #25
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    This is epic fail.

    Ah sure we'll guilt people into giving back the money, because ultimately we screwed up, along with our banker mates and developer mates, but we'll look towards those who are an easy target, yet again, to support our corruption.

    Why would anybody in their right mind admit to fraud? How do they think this is going to work?

    While I don't like to see people taking social welfare for a complete ride, I also don't like to see people getting targeted like this while the government bail out the banks. Yes, I understand that for the economy it is extremely important that these bailouts exist.


  • #26
    Calibos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Oh I didn't realise this thread was advocating tightening the welfare system to eliminate fraud and the incentive to not work in lieu of tightening banking regulations or going after the corrupt politicians or banks. :rolleyes:


  • #27
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    I'm more concerned about our money being p1ssed down the drain on 8astard bankers, rather than the distribution of Social Welfare payments.


  • #28
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    It is ESTIMATED. Estimations, not fact. I would drill into their figures and most likely disprove most of it. And even if they are accurate, who flipping cares. The government just dropped 42 Billion in Anglo and reached into workers pockets for it. And you attack the dole. Are you secretly Sean Fitzpatrick??

    Ah so because the Government bailed out Anglo, we should all just cross our arms and keep having a little hissy fit about it instead of actually looking at ways to save money. Which we need to do.

    Nice.


  • #29
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Smcgie wrote: »
    I use my dole money for coke and hookers B)

    My dole is paid in coke and hookers


  • #30
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    You seem to spend most of your time in AH bashing people on the dole, during the day.

    Like seriously, did someone on the dole rape your dog or hang your cat? Such haters.
    And you seem to spend your time on AH jumping out of bushes and trying to bully anyone who wants to try and discuss the Dole system or its loopholes.

    You are taking this really personally for someone who isn't being attacked. You come across as basically defending people who exploit the Dole.

    You may be living on €27 a day (oh yes, I know the NUM) but the point being made is there are exploiters out there making other sources of income and then still taking this €27 a day in additional to their undeclared earnings. Like the fat kids on a desert island.


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  • #31
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    It's a Social Welfare amnesty, it covers a lot more than just dole fraud, e.g. co-habiting couples claiming single parent allowance.


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