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Electric car, Would you buy one.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Wait, I retract my statement. I just saw the cost of em! How on earth are people supposed to migrate over with cars that expensive?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Wait, I retract my statement. I just saw the cost of em! How on earth are people supposed to migrate over with cars that expensive?

    Exactly!!!, my point in a earlier post, as they stand the are really only for the upper middle class in Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭franklyshocked


    Hydrogen Fuel cells or something like them is the only way forward.
    In ireland most of our electricity is produced from fossil fuel. If everyone tomorrow went to electric cars we would need to produce more fossil fuel driven electricity not making us any greener. Its a false economy.
    Green fecking idiots.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Could they not have battery swap stations rather than recharge stations? Let the station charge the batteries all day, only takes two seconds to swap when you need more power.

    I dunno what size the batteries are though, mightn't be feasible

    The battery pack in the Tesla, admittedly a beefier electric car than most, consists of over 6,000 cells and comes in at just under a half a ton. Takes a little more than two seconds to swap out.

    Nissan LEAF's pack is much shorter ranged, and comes in at about a quarter-ton.

    One option which was proposed was draining the fluid and replacing it with new fluid using a pumping station (Literally filling her up), but I don't know if it works for that sort of battery.

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭cianof


    I voted "100% I will get one."

    All the negheads might have a different opinion about electric cars if they had actually driven one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwKxG4OhPc#t=1m16s


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Not a chance, its a good idea but just not practical in this country at them moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭cianof


    Right now poll is 11.71%, "100% I will get one."

    If 11.7% of people in the country drove electric cars, that would be over 200,000 electric cars.

    They're only hoping for 2000 in 1st year.

    People seem to think its a conspiracy:
    "The Greenies !!...., they're going to make us all drive electric cars. :mad:"

    The reality is that electric cars are happening irrespective of whatever government we have on this little island.

    Just look, all major car manufactures are working a EVs. Ford, VW, Audi, PSA, Mitsubishi, Subaru.....all working on production model EVs.

    They'll make up a small % of the all cars on the road, because they don't suit all motorists requirements. If they do suit your driving requirements the make a lot of sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    cianof wrote: »
    Right now poll is 11.71%, "100% I will get one."

    If 11.7% of people in the country drove electric cars, that would be over 200,000 electric cars.

    They're only hoping for 2000 in 1st year.

    People seem to think its a conspiracy:
    "The Greenies !!...., they're going to make us all drive electric cars. :mad:"

    The reality is that electric cars are happening irrespective of whatever government we have on this little island.

    Just look, all major car manufactures are working a EVs. Ford, VW, Audi, PSA, Mitsubishi, Subaru.....all working on production model EVs.

    They'll make up a small % of the all cars on the road, because they don't suit all motorists requirements. If they do suit your driving requirements the make a lot of sense.

    Its all a matter of getting an electric car that meets the customers requirements. If they become as fast as petrol car and can run as far and cheaper then they will be popular, I suppose its all a game of wait and see.

    Its like the 1st generation Iphone... it was ok, but the 3rd generation was a lot better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 dave_connolly3


    In ireland most of our electricity is produced from fossil fuel. If everyone tomorrow went to electric cars we would need to produce more fossil fuel driven electricity not making us any greener. Its a false economy.
    Green fecking idiots.

    Even if all the electricity at power plants was produced from fossil fuels, that would still have less emissions than from a petrol car. This is a fact. Also, with some of that power produced from wind etc. that makes the saving even more & hopefully they will improve renewables.

    Also, with electric cars, you would take away those health damaging exhaust fumes coming from cars in cities, which harm people's health in the cities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    While I am not in the financial situation to buy ANY car for years to come, would prefer an electric/diesel hybrid meself. Got the same low running cost as pure electric but with the diesel generator as a backup in case of untimely low battery.
    Hydrogen Fuel cells or something like them is the only way forward.
    In ireland most of our electricity is produced from fossil fuel. If everyone tomorrow went to electric cars we would need to produce more fossil fuel driven electricity not making us any greener. Its a false economy.
    Green fecking idiots.

    No offence....but how do you think they produce the hydrogen liquid? Its a massive electrical investment and most reports I have read indicate that you get 20-25% of the energy input back out in the form of compressed hydrogen.

    And we mainly generate electricity NOW by fossil fuels, but if the government would pull their collective thumbs out long enough to fund more wave and tide generator research we could drastically cut our need for fossil fuels, which we import anyways and would do the same for hydrogen as we have no hydrogen production plants here either.

    As for the lack of charging stations nationwide, wasnt it the same when petrol cars were first intorduced, no petrol stations on every street corner? And wouldnt it be the same problem if we all went out and bought hydrogen powered cars tomorrow?

    As for the whole hydrogen vs electric debate, how come there is both petrol and diesel pumps in almost all filling station? Surely one must have won the fuel race years ago :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭Pretty_Pistol


    I saw one of the two seater electric cars going arond town the other day. If you were in a crash in one of those things you would have no hope and be crushed to death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    Nuttzz wrote: »
    Im going to buy one as soon as they become available and then run over John Gromley on his mountain bike

    "Thats a shame John, you'd of hear me if it was a diesel"

    All the more reason for them to reduce speed limits further because pedestrians (who are seemingly not obliged to look before walking out onto the road) and cyclists (who are also allowed to do whatever they want without looking first) won't be able to hear the electric cars. 15kmh speed limit in Dublin City Centre anyone? :(

    Also, I believe that as soon as electric cars become widespread, the government will introduce either a road pricing scheme or a car battery recharge tax. They rake in roughly €7 Billion in motor related taxes ever year and spend roughly only €1 Billion on roads every year. That's never going to change - private motorists will always get raped financially. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭cianof


    @Pretty_Pistol
    G-wiz/Reva is not an electric car.
    G-wiz/Reva is an electric quadracycle.

    Hydrogen fuel cells. 2 Problems.
    1) Price of fuel cells
    http://palladiumprice.org/palladium-price-per-kilo.html

    2) Energy required to produce hydrogen (Energy in Vs energy produced)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭Pretty_Pistol


    cianof wrote: »
    @Pretty_Pistol
    G-wiz/Reva is not an electric car.
    G-wiz/Reva is an electric quadracycle.

    Oh right, it was advertising an electric car website on the side of it so I just presumed it was one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭cianof


    Those "cars" are registered as quadracycles, they don't have to pass the same safety tests as a regular car.

    I wouldn't buy one, nor would I consider using them as a yard stick by which to measure the viability of electric cars.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    cianof wrote: »
    Right now poll is 11.71%, "100% I will get one."

    If 11.7% of people in the country drove electric cars, that would be over 200,000 electric cars..

    The problem with Internet polls like this is that there is no indication of people putting their money where their mouths are. When it comes time to actually fork over five figures, the 'good idea' suddenly gets a significant gut check.

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    a significant gut check.

    NTM



    Love that clip


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    no indication of people putting their money where their mouths are. When it comes time to actually fork over five figures, the 'good idea' suddenly gets a significant gut check.

    To an extent you are correct however you are basing it on the probably erronious assumption that the price of these vehicles wont come down as manufacturing volumes increase and development costs are recouped.

    Petrol cars were considered toys for the super rich before (and indeed for a good while after) the introduction of the Model T

    The level of negativity RE: this scheme is pretty mind boggling. Granted it is not without its flaws and aspects of its implementation could be better thought out (but this is Ireland after all) but electric vehicle technology is still in its infancy and many of the problems will be ironed out in the years ahead.

    Personally I wouldnt buy an EV today but I could see myself seriously considering it five years from now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭cianof


    Once people are given a chance to buy a decent EV, produced by the main auto manufactures sales should follow the usual adoption cycle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_lifecycle

    It makes sense, that most people are going to wait and see.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    To an extent you are correct however you are basing it on the probably erronious assumption that the price of these vehicles wont come down as manufacturing volumes increase and development costs are recouped.

    Hell, I'll buy a kitchen nuclear fusion plant when the prices come down and the technology improves... Still waiting for the price of an airplane to drop though. For some reason, Cessnas are getting more expensive, even though the technology is way mature. $33,000 would buy you a C-172 in 1981. Cost you $269,000 today, and I don't think it's inflation.

    For the purposes of this government program the thread references, however...

    NTM


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Hell, I'll buy a kitchen nuclear fusion plant when the prices come down and the technology improves...

    Which is why various governments have been funding fusion R&D for several decades now

    Remember when the Government introduced tax incentives to stop us using leaded petrol ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Gekko


    If they sorted out the battery technology so they have a longer range, and they were reasonably affordable, then I would buy one.

    For now thought I'm waiting for either a hybrid Range Rover or the hybrid Land Rover LRX, providing I can afford either of these when they come out, that is!

    Or maybe I'll just get a standard petrol VW Golf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    I'd buy one if the gov built a giant scalextric track around Ireland too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 CrackerXYZ


    Only if it is an eletric flying car.:D


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