Belgium bans the Burka

weiland79 · 30-04-2010 01:47PM #1

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100430/twl-belgium-decides-to-ban-the-burqa-3fd0ae9.html

Hmmm not to sure about this one. As is said in the article it could be the start of a slippery slope on infringing peoples basic rights. No more hoodies, baseball caps or headgear in any shape or form.
Do the European courts not withhold the right to reverse this decision?

TheZohanS · 30-04-2010 01:49PM

They can't do that, they'd have to ban helmets too.

weiland79 · 30-04-2010 01:50PM

well it appears it's been done

Sykk · 30-04-2010 01:51PM

No more hoodies? I would suggest they implement this one North side, but we all know there would be an epidemic.

Big Nasty · 30-04-2010 01:51PM

Burka, Burka!

TheZohanS · 30-04-2010 01:53PM

weiland79 wrote: »

well it appears it's been done

No it hasn't, and where did you get:

No more hoodies, baseball caps or headgear in any shape or form.

from?

You made that up now didn't you?

Deus Ex Machina · 30-04-2010 01:55PM

weiland79 wrote: »

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100430/twl-belgium-decides-to-ban-the-burqa-3fd0ae9.html

Hmmm not to sure about this one. As is said in the article it could be the start of a slippery slope on infringing peoples basic rights. No more hoodies, baseball caps or headgear in any shape or form.
Do the European courts not withhold the right to reverse this decision?

Slippery slope? It seems to me that this is already a gross infringement of rights. I am not in favour of these idiot death cults, Christianity and the like, but they have the right to practice their religion.

weiland79 · 30-04-2010 01:55PM

TheZohan wrote: »

No it hasn't, and where did you get: from?

You made that up now didn't you?

Of course it wasn't in the article but i believe in people exprssing themselves and if certain people want to wear a Burka then so be it.My point was that if they start with banning the Burka where do thy stop.

weiland79 · 30-04-2010 01:57PM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Slippery slope? It seems to me that this is already a gross infringement of rights. I am not in favour of these idiot death cults, Christianity and the like, but they have the right to practice their religion.

Yes i agree a huge infringement,and if you read the article you will see that France are also poised to bring in a similar ban.
Food for the extremists in my view.

TheZohanS · 30-04-2010 01:59PM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Slippery slope? It seems to me that this is already a gross infringement of rights. I am not in favour of these idiot death cults, Christianity and the like, but they have the right to practice their religion.

But western women have to cover up in a lot of Muslim countries, that infringes their rights too.

--LOS-- · 30-04-2010 02:02PM

I don't support banning it outright in a given country but I do take issue with the fact that on going into banks, there's a sign that says to remove helmets, yet I've seen women in burkas in banks, huge contradiction imo.

Deus Ex Machina · 30-04-2010 02:04PM

TheZohan wrote: »

But western women have to cover up in a lot of Muslim countries, that infringes their rights too.

Tu coque

In what way does the fact that they infringe rights make it acceptable for us to do the same?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 30-04-2010 02:05PM

There was a party in Belgium that wanted to implement rules that all women should wear the burka. They have a large number of people from the likes of Morocco so that has a large influence. Now they went to Belgium for work, but if you go looking for work in another country, don't be a cnut about it, respect their rules and don't try change them to suit your poxy ways.

I for one support this action, fcuk them if they think they can go to another country and pressure the government into changing their ways. If you don't like it, fcuk back to where you came from.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-04-2010 02:05PM

TheZohan wrote: »

No it hasn't, and where did you get: from?

You made that up now didn't you?

I think he presented it as a hypothesis rather than fact. Should have had a question mark on the end (who said punctuation didn't matter?).

Abrasax · 30-04-2010 02:06PM

--LOS-- wrote: »

I don't support banning it outright in a given country but I do take issue with the fact that on going into banks, there's a sign that says to remove helmets, yet I've seen women in burkas in banks, huge contradiction imo.

If a woman is wearing a burka it's probably unlikely she'd be doing the banking in the first place.
Just pass a law banning burkas in banks and government buildings where interviews are to take place.
There's only about 30 women in the whole of Belgium who wear burkas anyway, according to BBC World, so it's hardly a huge problem.
But passing a law like this will add to the alienation of a community and is more food for extemists.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 30-04-2010 02:11PM

Abrasax wrote: »

If a woman is wearing a burka it's probably unlikely she'd be doing the banking in the first place.
Just pass a law banning burkas in banks and government buildings where interviews are to take place.
There's only about 30 women in the whole of Belgium who wear burkas anyway, according to BBC World, so it's hardly a huge problem.
But passing a law like this will add to the alienation of a community and is more food for extemists.

Maybe you should take a trip to belgium before you believe the crap you here?

Mike 1972 · 30-04-2010 02:11PM

Angie Moldy Police wrote: »

Maybe you should take a trip to belgium

Actually If this law does go through maybe I wont be taking a trip there at all

--LOS-- wrote: »

I don't support banning it outright in a given country but I do take issue with the fact that on going into banks, there's a sign that says to remove helmets, yet I've seen women in burkas in banks, huge contradiction imo.

Take it up with the bank If what other people wear really bothers you so much

Abrasax · 30-04-2010 02:13PM

Angie Moldy Police wrote: »

Maybe you should take a trip to belgium before you believe the crap you here?

I go there about five to ten times a year on business, to both Antwerp and Brussels.
What's that got to do with my post?
Is BBC World not a credible enough source for you?

finton · 30-04-2010 02:24PM

Fair dues to Belgium, could never imagine such a decision being made here in Ireland. There would be more marching on the streets about a burka ban than how the people are being enslaved again (move over na sasanaigh, move in fianna fail and co)
To those blinded by political correctness I think its fairly obvious how this came about, if its ok to wear a Burka then it should be ok to wear balaclava's around the place

--LOS-- · 30-04-2010 02:28PM

Abrasax wrote: »

If a woman is wearing a burka it's probably unlikely she'd be doing the banking in the first place.

I have seen this in banks.

Abrasax wrote: »

Just pass a law banning burkas in banks and government buildings where interviews are to take place.
There's only about 30 women in the whole of Belgium who wear burkas anyway, according to BBC World, so it's hardly a huge problem.
But passing a law like this will add to the alienation of a community and is more food for extemists.

I agree, they should at least be included on the sign.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Take it up with the bank If what other people wear really bothers you so much

I am not bothered by what people wear, I'm bothered by the sheer hypocrisy of these banks, visibility is a security issue in banks, nothing more, should we really be excluding muslims from this for fear that we insult them?

ScumLord · 30-04-2010 02:30PM

--LOS-- wrote: »

I don't support banning it outright in a given country but I do take issue with the fact that on going into banks, there's a sign that says to remove helmets, yet I've seen women in burkas in banks, huge contradiction imo.

Agreed, they've gone to far, whats going to happen on Halloween? Will all the paddys get locked up for wearing fancy dress?

Just make a law that requires them to remove the veil when entering places like banks or government buildings. I'd go as far as to say they should be removed when entering any kind of public premise like a shop too, but not in the promenades of a shopping center. Places where important information and other transactions takes place basically so that your identity can be verified.

prinz · 30-04-2010 02:31PM

Abrasax wrote: »

There's only about 30 women in the whole of Belgium who wear burkas anyway, according to BBC World, so it's hardly a huge problem.

Doubtful. I remember hearing something on this about Ireland and it was claimed less than 5 women in Ireland wore the full burka. Was up in Stephen's Green a few days later and there were plenty more than 5 knocking about.

--LOS-- · 30-04-2010 02:34PM

prinz wrote: »

Doubtful. I remember hearing something on this about Ireland and it was claimed less than 5 women in Ireland wore the full burka. Was up in Stephen's Green a few days later and there were plenty more than 5 knocking about.

5 my hole, I see it all the time around town too.

enda1 · 30-04-2010 02:35PM

I live in Belgium.
There are to be honest not that many burkas to be seen, nothing like the number you'd see in the UK for example, but 30 seems a bit low.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 30-04-2010 02:37PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Actually If this law does go through maybe I wont be taking a trip there at all

Take it up with the bank If what other people wear really bothers you so much

Sorry to hear about that, it's not good to see some people getting screwed over because of some politicians agenda.

Abrasax wrote: »

I go there about five to ten times a year on business, to both Antwerp and Brussels.
What's that got to do with my post?
Is BBC World not a credible enough source for you?

If BBC claim that only 30 women, out of the 10.7 million people that live in that little country, wear the burka, I call bullshít. I suppose there's only a handful of orthodox jews living there too... :rolleyes:

Next time you should try opening your eyes when in the country, take in the sights and rely less on the rubbish information the media sends you.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 30-04-2010 02:38PM

enda1 wrote: »

I live in Belgium.
There are to be honest not that many burkas to be seen, nothing like the number you'd see in the UK for example, but 30 seems a bit low.

That's because it's bullshít

kiffer · 30-04-2010 02:45PM

... Wait... The burka is the full face vale with the eyes covered and not just any old islamic looking dress with a bit of face covering... Right?
The people saying they're seeing loads of burka everywhere, are they just calling everything a burka?
Does the ban just cover burka or all islamic looking face covers?

prinz · 30-04-2010 02:48PM

kiffer wrote: »

The people saying they're seeing loads of burka everywhere, are they just calling everything a burka?

No. I know what a burka looks like ta.

--LOS-- · 30-04-2010 02:48PM

kiffer wrote: »

... Wait... The burka is the full face vale with the eyes covered and not just any old islamic looking dress with a bit of face covering... Right?
The people saying they're seeing loads of burka everywhere, are they just calling everything a burka?
Does the ban just cover burka or all islamic looking face covers?

No I'm calling a burka a burka, it's generally the black full vale with just the eyes out, plenty of them around.

Abrasax · 30-04-2010 02:58PM

Angie Moldy Police wrote: »

If BBC claim that only 30 women, out of the 10.7 million people that live in that little country, wear the burka, I call bullshít. I suppose there's only a handful of orthodox jews living there too... :rolleyes:

Next time you should try opening your eyes when in the country, take in the sights and rely less on the rubbish information the media sends you.

So, I should trust your feeling on the subject as opposed to the BBC reporting?
I can't see any possible agenda for misreporting and presumably there was research carried out by the Belgian government before imposing such a ban.
Of the 10.7 million in Belgium only half a million are Muslim. Presumably about half of them are women, so it's 30 out of 500,000, not 10.7 mill.
It may surprise you to know I do actually walk around there with my eyes open and my business in Antwerp takes me to the Muslim districts in the north of that city and I can only remeber seeing a woman in a burka once, so a number as high as thirty surprised me.

--LOS-- · 30-04-2010 03:04PM

Abrasax wrote: »

So, I should trust your feeling on the subject as opposed to the BBC reporting?
I can't see any possible agenda for misreporting and presumably there was research carried out by the Belgian government before imposing such a ban.
It may surprise you to know I do actually walk around there with my eyes open and my business in Antwerp takes me to the Muslim districts in the north of that city and I can only remeber seeing a woman in a burka once, so a number as high as thirty surprised me.

Throwing the term "research" in there does not rid it of error :rolleyes:

Unless it's that I'm seeing the same 5 all the time, it's hard to tell with the veil :pac:

Belgium bans the Burka

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