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Quinn Insurance Truck Protest

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  • #32
    ocokev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭ocokev


    loveacca wrote: »
    What are these guys hoping to achieve?

    Its a very articulate effort to save real jobs, not imageniary but real jobs like truck driving.
    Nearly breakfast roll time.


  • #33
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    ocokev wrote: »
    Its a very articulated effort to save real jobs, not imageniary but real jobs like truck driving.
    Nearly breakfast roll time.

    :pac:


  • #34
    Bazzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Bazzy


    http://www.dublincity.ie/dublintraffic/

    not there yet anyway !


  • #35
    danbohan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭danbohan


    Pistolpete1 wrote: »
    Oh its a discrace to have these guy protesting in Dublin, Why not protest outside Quinns estate???? with their 200 lorrys. I think employees of quinns will do what ever he asks of them. I cant understand it but do these people protesting in dublin not understand that its actually quinns fault not the goernment for once!!!, Years ago the regulator didnt do his job, and left us in this crisis, now he is do too good a job and people complain also, if a big company likie quinns cant "show me the money" as the regulator put it then into admin you go and its not the governments fault. its quinns

    yes i agree its a disgrace that they are just protesting today , it should be everyday along with 5000 more trucks tractors etc until this idiotic government is forced out of office


  • #36
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭cson


    loveacca wrote: »
    What are these guys hoping to achieve?

    Freedom!

    [Freedom? Freedom's just a word. If I had to die/protest for a word it'd be poontang.]


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  • #37
    michellery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭michellery


    I think the point everybody is missing here is that this a group of Irish citizens who are fighting to keep their jobs. The main point is that so many people are being let go and made redundant in Ireland at the moment and ordinary Irish citizens are going into debt and losing their livlihood and homes as a result of it. Are you trying to tell me that if your job was in jeopardy that you wouldn't do everything in your power to try and keep your job??!! The Irish Government is sitting on their laurels as per usual and merely paying lip service. Mary Harney's been off on a 38k New Zealand trip which the tax paying employees of Quinn and other tax payers are paying for. The Irish Government has sent a contingency over to USA to try and import some new jobs ....what the employees at Quinn are saying is why is the Irish Government sending people over to USA to try and bring in new jobs when they should in effect try to stabilise existing Irish jobs. Have we are the Irish nation not had enough job losses??, it's time Brian Cowen took the finger out and gave as much support to the Irish taxpayer as we gave Fianna Fail in voting them into power. It is not unreasonable for Quinn employees to try and keep their jobs - if you were in their situation would you not try to do the same thing???


  • #38
    Töpher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    michellery wrote: »
    I think the point everybody is missing here is that this a group of Irish citizens who are fighting to keep their jobs.

    By irritating thousands of commuters in Dublin, instead of, you know, doing their jobs? :rolleyes:


  • #39
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭cson


    michellery wrote: »
    I think the point everybody is missing here is that this a group of Irish citizens who are fighting to keep their jobs. The main point is that so many people are being let go and made redundant in Ireland at the moment and ordinary Irish citizens are going into debt and losing their livlihood and homes as a result of it. Are you trying to tell me that if your job was in jeopardy that you wouldn't do everything in your power to try and keep your job??!! The Irish Government is sitting on their laurels as per usual and merely paying lip service. Mary Harney's been off on a 38k New Zealand trip which the tax paying employees of Quinn and other tax payers are paying for. The Irish Government has sent a contingency over to USA to try and import some new jobs ....what the employees at Quinn are saying is why is the Irish Government sending people over to USA to try and bring in new jobs when they should in effect try to stabilise existing Irish jobs. Have we are the Irish nation not had enough job losses??, it's time Brian Cowen took the finger out and gave as much support to the Irish taxpayer as we gave Fianna Fail in voting them into power. It is not unreasonable for Quinn employees to try and keep their jobs - if you were in their situation would you not try to do the same thing???

    Fair play to them. Like every other employed person in the land. but no, Quinn Group employees are a special set of martyrs so we'll just highlight the fact they pay tax.


  • #40
    Mad_Max
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    michellery wrote: »
    . It is not unreasonable for Quinn employees to try and keep their jobs - if you were in their situation would you not try to do the same thing???

    Is it not Quinn customers that are doing this???!

    On Newstalk this morning about how Sean Quinn should be helped out because he created 5000 jobs, yadda frickin yadda and the financial wreckulator is too heavy handed. Tools.

    Giving these morons a vote is what keeps us in the ****s.


  • #41
    michellery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭michellery


    No, by making sure the Government pays attention and does not sweep this under the carpet like the litany of other mistakes it has made. The Irish Government is the reason this country is in a total state of chaos. It's time Brian Cowen went back to the pig farm he was raised on. He is utterly incapable of running this country. Added to the fact he is abusing the privilige of being pig ugly. I for one was squirming all the way through his St. Patricks Day news coverage with Barrack Obama ....especially when the Americans started taking the p out of him and he was too stupid to even realise, they had every right to make a joke out of him Barrack Obama was impecable and Brian Cowen was there with his tie stuck under his arm. Why are we allowing this idiot to run the country when he is clearly unemployable in every other sector of the Irish economy.


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  • #42
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    michellery wrote: »
    I think the point everybody is missing here is that this a group of Irish citizens who are fighting to keep their jobs.

    So how exactly is clogging up the streets of the city's capital with 200 trucks going to acheive this?
    michellery wrote: »
    The main point is that so many people are being let go and made redundant in Ireland at the moment and ordinary Irish citizens are going into debt and losing their livlihood and homes as a result of it.

    Nope, the main point is that Sean Quinn gambled €3billion and the future of his employees with a mind boggingly stupid investment in Anglo. The only man responsible for these jobs being at risk is Sean Quinn and these trucks should be outside his mansion protesting.

    michellery wrote: »
    Are you trying to tell me that if your job was in jeopardy that you wouldn't do everything in your power to try and keep your job??!! The Irish Government is sitting on their laurels as per usual and merely paying lip service.

    Nope, the Irish government is belatedly trying to put in place measures to ensure that the banking collapse can't happen again by finally introducing proper regulation. The kind of regulation that should have been going on for years and the kind of regulation that, has rightly put Quinn into administration.
    michellery wrote: »
    Mary Harney's been off on a 38k New Zealand trip which the tax paying employees of Quinn and other tax payers are paying for.

    Which has precisely nothing to do with the issue at hand. But this is After Hours, ranting about Mary Harney is the thing to do.
    michellery wrote: »
    The Irish Government has sent a contingency over to USA to try and import some new jobs ....what the employees at Quinn are saying is why is the Irish Government sending people over to USA to try and bring in new jobs when they should in effect try to stabilise existing Irish jobs.

    That’s exactly what the regulator is doing. Putting Quinn into administration because Sean Quinn isn't fit to run the company and leaving him in charge would mean the very real prospect that the entire company would go bankrupt.


  • #43
    calahans
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 225 ✭✭calahans


    michellery wrote: »
    I think the point everybody is missing here is that this a group of Irish citizens who are fighting to keep their jobs. The main point is that so many people are being let go and made redundant in Ireland at the moment and ordinary Irish citizens are going into debt and losing their livlihood and homes as a result of it. Are you trying to tell me that if your job was in jeopardy that you wouldn't do everything in your power to try and keep your job??!! The Irish Government is sitting on their laurels as per usual and merely paying lip service. Mary Harney's been off on a 38k New Zealand trip which the tax paying employees of Quinn and other tax payers are paying for. The Irish Government has sent a contingency over to USA to try and import some new jobs ....what the employees at Quinn are saying is why is the Irish Government sending people over to USA to try and bring in new jobs when they should in effect try to stabilise existing Irish jobs. Have we are the Irish nation not had enough job losses??, it's time Brian Cowen took the finger out and gave as much support to the Irish taxpayer as we gave Fianna Fail in voting them into power. It is not unreasonable for Quinn employees to try and keep their jobs - if you were in their situation would you not try to do the same thing???

    If the regulator had of taken the same line with anglo 5 years ago he would have been slaughtered for stopping a profitable, big employer for doing its business and jeopordising jobs. He would have saved us billions now. However there was no regulator (of worth) then and we see what happens.

    Now we have a regulator who is working in the interest of tax payer. I dont want to have to bail out Quinn in another year or two.


  • #44
    michellery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭michellery


    Again, this is not about Sean Quinn. This is about a group of Irish civilians trying to keep their jobs. Trying to ensure that Quinn Insurance can continue to sell UK business until the regulator finds somebody to buy the company and keep it as a going concern so that Irish citizens can continue to pay their mortgage and put food in their childrens' mouths. Quinn employees do not want to rely on dole hand outs - they want to work and contribute towards the Irish economy and as such they want to try to keep the company as a viable going concern until somebody else can buy it as it is a profit making company. This is not about Sean Quinn personally, what's dragging him into it is that the company is currently called Quinn Insurance. They are simply trying to keep their jobs and anybody who stands up and says that they wouldn't fight for their jobs if they were in jeopardy is either a liar or a bum on the dole queue.


  • #45
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    Fair play to them, if more people had their attitude the government wouldn't get away with half the sh1t they do.

    Actually it's precisely because of their attitude that the country is in the state it's in. These guys are protesting that the FR is for once doing its job, given all the revelations that we've heard I find the truckers actions unbelievable. Maybe they should have another protest in support of Seanie, Fingers etc.


  • #46
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    michellery wrote: »
    Added to the fact he is abusing the privilige of being pig ugly. I for one was squirming all the way through his St. Patricks Day news coverage with Barrack Obama ...

    Well thanks for pretty much invalidating whatever misguided points you may have been trying to make. If the strength of your argument rests on 'shure he's ugly', you've lost.


  • #47
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Funny that more protesters are showing up to this than the Change the Government one on Sat.

    Jesus, who was that awful eejit on Hook yesterday?


  • #48
    massdebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭massdebater


    Rabies wrote: »
    91011, do you want this moved to Ranting & Raving?

    I'll get one of the guys to move it over if you'd like.


    Where's Ranting & Raving gone to? I thought they got rid of it altogether?


  • #49
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    massdebater wrote: »
    Where's Ranting & Raving gone to? I thought they got rid of it altogether?


    It's gone private. Post in this thread to get access

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055839939


  • #50
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Mister men wrote: »
    200 trucks will have a massive effect unfortunatly.
    no i meant it wont have any effect - as in their actions are futile

    (obviously i know that hundreds of trucks will bottleneck traffic)


  • #51
    LINDABLACK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭LINDABLACK


    Perhaps a few thousand jobs at risk "down in the sticks" is unimportant to Dublin Commuters and Business people. Perhaps the families and communities totally dependent on Quinn both directly and indirectly for employment is irrelevant. This protest is an attempt to highlight the gravity of the situation for all those people and families who's livlihood's are at risk. It's not about Sean Quinn and his mistakes. Let the person who has never made a mistake put his hand up. The crux of this situation is that thousands of people, entire communities in Cavan and Fermanagh will be totally destroyed should the worst come to the worst. Why should these people be criticised for making a stand for their rights? WHY NOT stand up and be counted.......... People have stood idly by for too long in this country, letting a bunch of GOMBEEN's (as someone described the Quinn supporters, merely for their "non dublin" postal address I'd Imagine) ruin our country. I APPLAUD these protesters.... Fair Play to you guys, Keep it up.... Keep your voice heard.....


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  • #52
    michellery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭michellery


    These truckers are customers of Quinn. The Quinn staff are not disagreeing with the company being taken off Sean Quinn, what they are asking for is that the financial regulator go ahead with taking the company off Sean Quinn.............however they should allow it to continue trading and as such remain a viable company, therefore it can be sold off. The money going back into the Irish economy and jobs being saved. What is wrong with that? The Irish economy could do with the money, the irish civilian tax payers employed by Quinn could do with staying off the dole and continuing to pay tax into the Irish economy. Would you rather the Irish economy lose out on all the refvenue brought in by insurance sales to the UK? lose out the money for the sale of the company as a going concern? and have to pay social welfare payments out to the thousands of people currently employed by Quinn. Funny that coz the employees at Quinn would have thought that the Irish economy could do with the money .......especially with those clowns at the circus/dail running things the way they are. This is too little too late. The people involved in Anglo Irish Banks should all be jailed. However the Irish taxpayers should not have to suffer as a result of it & THAT INCLUDES THE IRISH TAXPAYERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED AT QUINN WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR % FROM THEIR WAGES TO BAIL OUT THE BANKS!!! Quinn employees are innocent taxpayers who have had to endure Sean Quinn gambling with their jobs, why are they to be punished further?? have they no right to have a job? have they no right to feed their families and put a roof over their head..........these people are ordinary Irish taxpayers the same as any other Irish taxpayer........all they're trying to do is keep their jobs. The company is now in the hands of the Financial Regulator - Sean Quinn cannot have it back. What they're trying to do now is to keep their jobs. Why do you have a problem with Irish taxpayers trying to keep their jobs? This is no longer about Sean Quinn he is no longer in the picture, if they want to send him to jail so be it. But what the employees of Quinn are trying to say is to sell off Quinn put the money back into the Irish economy and stop these people from having to go on the dole and be a further drain on the Irish economy, rather than continue to pay their tax back into the economy. The Government needs to do something about all the job losses - he needs to stabilise existing Irish jobs so we don't all end up on the dole.


  • #53
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A good example of why this country will remain "meh". A protest where the protesters seem have only the barest clue or choose as spokesmen people who dont. On the other side people moaning about how this will disrupt their lives. The same people who are likely to moan "why isnt anyone doing anything" and consider themselves "rebel Irish".

    The latter is an oxymoron. We're incredibly beige when it comes to any real protest. I did admire the elderly types marching to preserve their well earned medical cards and even then you had the beige drones moaning about disruption. So how do propose to make a diff? Have a small scale legally sanctioned protest at 7 at night? Jesus. Even the fact that the truckers may have gotten permits to travel in the city. You couldnt make this up. Do what the French would do, lock the place down. Make it painful. A slight itch will only require a slight scratch. A searing pain will get you a doctor. As a people we're too damned "polite", though more and more I think its lack of balls and selfishness.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #54
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    LINDABLACK wrote: »
    It's not about Sean Quinn and his mistakes.

    I honestly don't understand how the Quinn action group (welcome new posters by the way) can keep spouting this rubbish. It's not about Sean Quinn but it's somehow about Mary Harney (hur hur she's fat) and Brian Cowen (hur hur he's ugly). Sean Quinn is the only man responsible for the current situation and the regulator is doing his job in trying to clean up his mess. There's a very strange cult of personality that surrounds Quinn that seems to be blinding his supporters to his failures and the fact that Sean Quinn and not the government or regulator is directly responsible for jobs being at risk.


  • #55
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    LINDABLACK wrote: »
    Perhaps a few thousand jobs at risk "down in the sticks" is unimportant to Dublin Commuters and Business people. Perhaps the families and communities totally dependent on Quinn both directly and indirectly for employment is irrelevant. This protest is an attempt to highlight the gravity of the situation for all those people and families who's livlihood's are at risk. It's not about Sean Quinn and his mistakes. Let the person who has never made a mistake put his hand up. The crux of this situation is that thousands of people, entire communities in Cavan and Fermanagh will be totally destroyed should the worst come to the worst. Why should these people be criticised for making a stand for their rights? WHY NOT stand up and be counted.......... People have stood idly by for too long in this country, letting a bunch of GOMBEEN's (as someone described the Quinn supporters, merely for their "non dublin" postal address I'd Imagine) ruin our country. I APPLAUD these protesters.... Fair Play to you guys, Keep it up.... Keep your voice heard.....

    Are you for real?

    Go to the source of the problem.

    go protest outside Sean Quinns lakeside mansion


  • #56
    michellery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭michellery


    These truckers are customers of Quinn. The Quinn staff are not disagreeing with the company being taken off Sean Quinn, what they are asking for is that the financial regulator go ahead with taking the company off Sean Quinn.............however they should allow it to continue trading and as such remain a viable company, therefore it can be sold off. The money going back into the Irish economy and jobs being saved. What is wrong with that? The Irish economy could do with the money, the irish civilian tax payers employed by Quinn could do with staying off the dole and continuing to pay tax into the Irish economy. Would you rather the Irish economy lose out on all the refvenue brought in by insurance sales to the UK? lose out the money for the sale of the company as a going concern? and have to pay social welfare payments out to the thousands of people currently employed by Quinn. Funny that coz the employees at Quinn would have thought that the Irish economy could do with the money .......especially with those clowns at the circus/dail running things the way they are. This is too little too late. The people involved in Anglo Irish Banks should all be jailed. However the Irish taxpayers should not have to suffer as a result of it & THAT INCLUDES THE IRISH TAXPAYERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED AT QUINN WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR % FROM THEIR WAGES TO BAIL OUT THE BANKS!!! Quinn employees are innocent taxpayers who have had to endure Sean Quinn gambling with their jobs, why are they to be punished further?? have they no right to have a job? have they no right to feed their families and put a roof over their head..........these people are ordinary Irish taxpayers the same as any other Irish taxpayer........all they're trying to do is keep their jobs. The company is now in the hands of the Financial Regulator - Sean Quinn cannot have it back. What they're trying to do now is to keep their jobs. Why do you have a problem with Irish taxpayers trying to keep their jobs? This is no longer about Sean Quinn he is no longer in the picture, if they want to send him to jail so be it. But what the employees of Quinn are trying to say is to sell off Quinn put the money back into the Irish economy and stop these people from having to go on the dole and be a further drain on the Irish economy, rather than continue to pay their tax back into the economy. The Government needs to do something about all the job losses - he needs to stabilise existing Irish jobs so we don't all end up on the dole.


  • #57
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Anyone else spot an ever so slight similarity in the writing styles of two of the newer posters in this thread?

    ............


  • #58
    racso1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975


    LINDABLACK wrote: »
    Perhaps a few thousand jobs at risk "down in the sticks" is unimportant to Dublin Commuters and Business people. Perhaps the families and communities totally dependent on Quinn both directly and indirectly for employment is irrelevant. This protest is an attempt to highlight the gravity of the situation for all those people and families who's livlihood's are at risk. It's not about Sean Quinn and his mistakes. Let the person who has never made a mistake put his hand up. The crux of this situation is that thousands of people, entire communities in Cavan and Fermanagh will be totally destroyed should the worst come to the worst. Why should these people be criticised for making a stand for their rights? WHY NOT stand up and be counted.......... People have stood idly by for too long in this country, letting a bunch of GOMBEEN's (as someone described the Quinn supporters, merely for their "non dublin" postal address I'd Imagine) ruin our country. I APPLAUD these protesters.... Fair Play to you guys, Keep it up.... Keep your voice heard.....

    Out of interest how do you see this situation being resolved?


  • #59
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Wibbs wrote: »
    A good example of why this country will remain "meh". A protest where the protesters seem have only the barest clue or choose as spokesmen people who dont. On the other side people moaning about how this will disrupt their lives. The same people who are likely to moan "why isnt anyone doing anything" and consider themselves "rebel Irish".

    The latter is an oxymoron. We're incredibly beige when it comes to any real protest. I did admire the elderly types marching to preserve their well earned medical cards and even then you had the beige drones moaning about disruption. So how do propose to make a diff? Have a small scale legally sanctioned protest at 7 at night? Jesus. Even the fact that the truckers may have gotten permits to travel in the city. You couldnt make this up. Do what the French would do, lock the place down. Make it painful. A slight itch will only require a slight scratch. A searing pain will get you a doctor. As a people we're too damned "polite", though more and more I think its lack of balls and selfishness.

    I don't buy into this 'fighting Irish' thing. We just don't do it well as a nation. We do a little though, there seems to be a different protest every week, or every few days at this stage. You can't support them all though. Unless they all get it together and realise what the hell we really need to be protesting about.
    I think the Financial Regulator fked up big time in the grander scheme of things. That is why I do not support this protest.


  • #60
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Anyone else spot an ever so slight similarity in the writing styles of two of the newer posters in this thread?

    ............

    Noticed that as well.


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  • #61
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Barname wrote: »
    Are you for real?

    Go to the source of the problem.

    go protest outside Sean Quinns lakeside mansion
    I have to agree. The usual cult of personality like super furry said. A particularly irish cult too. You want to be a politician here? Have a father or other close relative that had their head in the trough before you. Go to GAA matches and local shop openings, promise lots to every tinpot town you go through(never deliver of course, God forbid). Dont forget to throw in many references to your credentials, even if the only credentials you may possess are whats left after the best of you dribbled down your daddies leg. Get in to the back benches. Now to really make a diff, become a crook or a moron or a bit of both. Crook is good, the more public the better as you will be guaranteed a landslide victory when election time come around again.

    I dont care if he bought you a pint or said hello once and may have known your name, Sean Quinn and his board of directors and "accountants" should be first on the list. First. Then the so called regulators and government bodies charged with keeping an eye on company practices who quite clearly didnt over the last ten years over various dodgy practices.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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