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We 'do not want to deal with black staff'

  • 26-04-2010 02:52PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 690 ✭✭✭


    A British couple are involved in a legal case in the States over their stance when saying at the Ritz Carlton in Florida. This is a disgusting position taken by the family and the manager is actually worse for taking the booking on this condition. http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/british-family-tells-us-hotel-they-do-not-want-to-deal-with-black-staff-2152840.html
    A British family is at the centre of a legal case in America after they allegedly told a luxury hotel they did not want to be served by black staff. The family, whose principal member has only been named as Rodney Morgan, were said to have asked management at the Ritz Carlton in Naples, Florida, they did not want to deal with "people of colour" or staff with "foreign accents". Legal papers state their request was then entered into the computer system at the five star hotel before a black waiter was then stopped from serving them. The race row came after lawyers acting for the waiter, Haitian-born Wadner Tranchant, sued the hotel. The 40 year-old black waiter claims he was stopped serving the family during their stay in February to avoid upsetting them. The rest of the family, who were British, were not identified. The Morgans had a daughter with them and ate stone crabs and dover sole. Further details about the family were not disclosed. According to the lawsuit filed against the hotel, managers breached the Civil Rights Act by stopping Mr Tranchant serving the couple. One of his duties was to fillet the sole at the table. Mr Tranchant, a US citizen, was so offended he has sought medical and psychological help, according to the court papers. He is claiming compensation. "On or about February 28, 2010, the Rodney Morgan family arrives as guests of (the) Ritz and specified... their preference to not be served by 'people of colour' or with 'foreign accents'," said the claim lodged at the Florida District Court. "This preference was entered into the computer system of (the) Ritz at the direction of the (the hotel's managing director Edward Staros) with the further notation '... as per Mr Staros this couple is very very prejudice [sic] and do like like [sic] ppl of colour or foreign accents'." Michael McDonnell, the waiter's lawyer, said that nine other staff members at the hotel have said they were told the British family did not want to be served by blacks or anyone with an accent. His lawyers have cited the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was passed a year after blacks were freed from slavery following the end of the American civil war, which makes it illegal to discriminate in jobs and housing on the basis of race. A spokesman for the Ritz-Carlton refused to comment. The case is due in court at a later date.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭TheInquisitor


    was so offended he has sought medical and psychological help

    There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Oh holy lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    FFS.

    How can you go to a different country and not want to be served by someone with a foreign accent.

    I would've told them were to stick their money if i was a manager and they'd tried that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Blobby George


    There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

    Are you for real? The guy is obviously going to suffer from esteem issues after such blatant discrimination. This could be a slippery slope to severe depression. What you describe sounds more like a gentle bit of joking around.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    The Morgans had a daughter with them and ate stone crabs and dover sole. Further details about the family were not disclosed.

    This a believe is definately a major factor in the issue...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Rodney, you plonker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens
    There is building a bridge and then there is allowing people to walk all over you. Thank God Rosa Parks had more of a pair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    The hotel was stupid to go along with it, so publicly at least. What did they expect their staff to do? I'd say the staff where lining up to be the first one to try and serve them with lawyers phone number already dialed in.

    The hotels probably cost itself a fortune in compensation and lost allot of rich black customers, absolute stupidity of the highest order from a business perspective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Yeah, "foreign accent" meaning "accent of a person who isn't from an English speaking country"...
    There's racism and then there's people really milking it.
    True, but...
    When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended.
    Fair play to you, but there'd be nothing wrong with getting offended. In fact I personally think it's a pity you let the fukkers get away with it, but at the end of the day, it didn't bother you much. However, your stance is unusual.
    In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens
    And let fukwits like these discriminate? Sod that.

    I'm certainly not someone who tries to find racism in everything - I think there are people who do that, e.g. screams of "Ireland's terrible RACIST father! :eek:" But this case is disgusting...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    But surely if they were British and on holidays in Florida then everybody would have had a 'foreign' accent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    Probably Prince Phillip using a fake name.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    I blame the manger more than anyone. When the request was made they should have been politely told "Sorry sir, we can not handle a request of that nature for legal and moral reasons. Now kindly get your backwards thinking ass out of my hotel you ignorant fucktard."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The Morgans had a daughter with them and ate stone crabs

    The waiter had a lucky escape, because the family all had crabs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    But surely if they were British and on holidays in Florida then everybody would have had a 'foreign' accent.
    this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    NothingMan wrote: »
    I blame the manger more than anyone. When the request was made they should have been politely told "Sorry sir, we can not handle a request of that nature for legal and moral reasons. Now kindly get your backwards thinking ass out of my hotel you ignorant fucktard."

    Wouldn't really blame him. He was only doing his job when it comes down to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Blobby George


    getz wrote: »
    this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;
    Kindly piss off. It wouldn't matter what nationality they were. They took an outright racist stance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    NothingMan wrote: »
    I blame the manger more than anyone.
    He could have got into the height of sh1t for refusing a booking - and effectively refusing money. He doesn't own the hotel/chain.

    Totally unfair to blame someone more than the twats in question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    getz wrote: »
    this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;
    ... you can bet your life it would have been posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Degag wrote: »
    Wouldn't really blame him. He was only doing his job when it comes down to it.
    As manager he's job is to protect the hotel as much as anything. The manager not only broke the law but also destroyed the reputation of the hotel. If it was just the guy doing the bookings you could say he didn't know what to do and just went along with it but the manager should have known this would go bad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    ScumLord wrote: »
    As manager he's job is to protect the hotel as much as anything. The manager not only broke the law but also destroyed the reputation of the hotel. If it was just the guy doing the bookings you could say he didn't know what to do and just went along with it but the manager should have known this would go bad.

    Only thing he did wrong was allow the waiter to find out about it. He should have just made sure he was serving different sections of the restuarant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    What medical help did he need? Strange!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭TheInquisitor


    There is building a bridge and then there is allowing people to walk all over you. Thank God Rosa Parks had more of a pair.

    How were they walking all over him? I really do think sometimes boards people live in their own little bubble. No one in the world is perfect. Undoubtedly these people were incredibly racist by not wanting black people to serve them but how is that "walking all over him"? Rosa Parks was a hero for black people where the whole state system was racist towards black people and it was a great victory for juctice and democracy that she and other civil rights leaders succeeded in getting all of those racist laws abolished however to assume that all of a sudden there will be no racism in the world is a bit ridiculous.
    Are you for real? The guy is obviously going to suffer from esteem issues after such blatant discrimination. This could be a slippery slope to severe depression. What you describe sounds more like a gentle bit of joking around.

    No are you for real? Severe depression? Now that sound like joking around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭am i bovvered


    The behavior of that family is disgusting but I believe the waiter has seen an opportunity for a quick buck and taken it, no way does any balanced person need medical attention for such a reason.
    The hotel F****** up and they are going to have to pay !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Degag wrote: »
    Wouldn't really blame him. He was only doing his job when it comes down to it.


    So being a hotel manager involves allowing illegal racial discrimination towards your staff in order to accomodate 1 family?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Dudess wrote: »
    He could have got into the height of sh1t for refusing a booking - and effectively refusing money. He doesn't own the hotel/chain.

    Totally unfair to blame someone more than the twats in question.


    Ok, maybe he couldn't have told them to leave but I still think he was partly to blame for not refusing to accomodate the racist request. Then if the family chose to go elsewhere it's not his problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    getz wrote: »
    this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;

    It would have been posted as well.

    Perhaps you've never read After Hours - we hate the Irish in here. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Degag wrote: »
    Only thing he did wrong was allow the waiter to find out about it. He should have just made sure he was serving different sections of the restuarant.
    Well no, like I said he broke the law, what he was doing was wrong, he didn't bother to cover it up at all though which is where you seem to think he went wrong.

    I'm sure things like this happen all the time in the hotel industry and managers do cover it up but these guys put it on the system and told staff about it, what was he expecting?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    If i was the Manager i would of told them to Piss off, i mean how can a manager treat his staff like that, Just because of the Guests issues with black people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    It would have been posted as well.

    Perhaps you've never read After Hours - we hate the Irish in here. ;)

    Nobody's left out here. AH is an equal opportunities hatred forum, the only difference being that some threads get locked quicker than others.:P


    ...anyway Getz, that family could have been Welsh.:P


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