We 'do not want to deal with black staff'

Blobby George

A British couple are involved in a legal case in the States over their stance when saying at the Ritz Carlton in Florida. This is a disgusting position taken by the family and the manager is actually worse for taking the booking on this condition. http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/british-family-tells-us-hotel-they-do-not-want-to-deal-with-black-staff-2152840.html

A British family is at the centre of a legal case in America after they allegedly told a luxury hotel they did not want to be served by black staff. The family, whose principal member has only been named as Rodney Morgan, were said to have asked management at the Ritz Carlton in Naples, Florida, they did not want to deal with "people of colour" or staff with "foreign accents". Legal papers state their request was then entered into the computer system at the five star hotel before a black waiter was then stopped from serving them. The race row came after lawyers acting for the waiter, Haitian-born Wadner Tranchant, sued the hotel. The 40 year-old black waiter claims he was stopped serving the family during their stay in February to avoid upsetting them. The rest of the family, who were British, were not identified. The Morgans had a daughter with them and ate stone crabs and dover sole. Further details about the family were not disclosed. According to the lawsuit filed against the hotel, managers breached the Civil Rights Act by stopping Mr Tranchant serving the couple. One of his duties was to fillet the sole at the table. Mr Tranchant, a US citizen, was so offended he has sought medical and psychological help, according to the court papers. He is claiming compensation. "On or about February 28, 2010, the Rodney Morgan family arrives as guests of (the) Ritz and specified... their preference to not be served by 'people of colour' or with 'foreign accents'," said the claim lodged at the Florida District Court. "This preference was entered into the computer system of (the) Ritz at the direction of the (the hotel's managing director Edward Staros) with the further notation '... as per Mr Staros this couple is very very prejudice [sic] and do like like [sic] ppl of colour or foreign accents'." Michael McDonnell, the waiter's lawyer, said that nine other staff members at the hotel have said they were told the British family did not want to be served by blacks or anyone with an accent. His lawyers have cited the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was passed a year after blacks were freed from slavery following the end of the American civil war, which makes it illegal to discriminate in jobs and housing on the basis of race. A spokesman for the Ritz-Carlton refused to comment. The case is due in court at a later date.

Biggins

Seen that story in the Mail a while back.
Ruddy bigots.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1268029/UK-family-tells-US-hotel-We-dont-want-served-black-person.html

TheInquisitor

was so offended he has sought medical and psychological help

There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

Teferi

Oh holy lol.

alwaysadub

FFS.

How can you go to a different country and not want to be served by someone with a foreign accent.

I would've told them were to stick their money if i was a manager and they'd tried that.

Blobby George

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

Are you for real? The guy is obviously going to suffer from esteem issues after such blatant discrimination. This could be a slippery slope to severe depression. What you describe sounds more like a gentle bit of joking around.

Dravokivich

The Morgans had a daughter with them and ate stone crabs and dover sole. Further details about the family were not disclosed.

This a believe is definately a major factor in the issue...

Sanjuro

Rodney, you plonker.

uncleoswald

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

There is building a bridge and then there is allowing people to walk all over you. Thank God Rosa Parks had more of a pair.

ScumLord

The hotel was stupid to go along with it, so publicly at least. What did they expect their staff to do? I'd say the staff where lining up to be the first one to try and serve them with lawyers phone number already dialed in.

The hotels probably cost itself a fortune in compensation and lost allot of rich black customers, absolute stupidity of the highest order from a business perspective.

Dudess

Yeah, "foreign accent" meaning "accent of a person who isn't from an English speaking country"...

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There's racism and then there's people really milking it.

True, but...

When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended.

Fair play to you, but there'd be nothing wrong with getting offended. In fact I personally think it's a pity you let the fukkers get away with it, but at the end of the day, it didn't bother you much. However, your stance is unusual.

In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

And let fukwits like these discriminate? Sod that.

I'm certainly not someone who tries to find racism in everything - I think there are people who do that, e.g. screams of "Ireland's terrible RACIST father! :eek:" But this case is disgusting...

Miguel_Sanchez

But surely if they were British and on holidays in Florida then everybody would have had a 'foreign' accent.

Degag

Probably Prince Phillip using a fake name.....

NothingMan

I blame the manger more than anyone. When the request was made they should have been politely told "Sorry sir, we can not handle a request of that nature for legal and moral reasons. Now kindly get your backwards thinking ass out of my hotel you ignorant fucktard."

ejmaztec

The Morgans had a daughter with them and ate stone crabs

The waiter had a lucky escape, because the family all had crabs.

getz

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

But surely if they were British and on holidays in Florida then everybody would have had a 'foreign' accent.

this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;

Degag

NothingMan wrote: »

I blame the manger more than anyone. When the request was made they should have been politely told "Sorry sir, we can not handle a request of that nature for legal and moral reasons. Now kindly get your backwards thinking ass out of my hotel you ignorant fucktard."

Wouldn't really blame him. He was only doing his job when it comes down to it.

Blobby George

getz wrote: »

this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;

Kindly piss off. It wouldn't matter what nationality they were. They took an outright racist stance.

Dudess

NothingMan wrote: »

I blame the manger more than anyone.

He could have got into the height of sh1t for refusing a booking - and effectively refusing money. He doesn't own the hotel/chain.

Totally unfair to blame someone more than the twats in question.

Dudess

getz wrote: »

this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;

... you can bet your life it would have been posted.

ScumLord

Degag wrote: »

Wouldn't really blame him. He was only doing his job when it comes down to it.

As manager he's job is to protect the hotel as much as anything. The manager not only broke the law but also destroyed the reputation of the hotel. If it was just the guy doing the bookings you could say he didn't know what to do and just went along with it but the manager should have known this would go bad.

Degag

ScumLord wrote: »

As manager he's job is to protect the hotel as much as anything. The manager not only broke the law but also destroyed the reputation of the hotel. If it was just the guy doing the bookings you could say he didn't know what to do and just went along with it but the manager should have known this would go bad.

Only thing he did wrong was allow the waiter to find out about it. He should have just made sure he was serving different sections of the restuarant.

K-9

What medical help did he need? Strange!

TheInquisitor

uncleoswald wrote: »

There is building a bridge and then there is allowing people to walk all over you. Thank God Rosa Parks had more of a pair.

How were they walking all over him? I really do think sometimes boards people live in their own little bubble. No one in the world is perfect. Undoubtedly these people were incredibly racist by not wanting black people to serve them but how is that "walking all over him"? Rosa Parks was a hero for black people where the whole state system was racist towards black people and it was a great victory for juctice and democracy that she and other civil rights leaders succeeded in getting all of those racist laws abolished however to assume that all of a sudden there will be no racism in the world is a bit ridiculous.

Are you for real? The guy is obviously going to suffer from esteem issues after such blatant discrimination. This could be a slippery slope to severe depression. What you describe sounds more like a gentle bit of joking around.

No are you for real? Severe depression? Now that sound like joking around

am i bovvered

The behavior of that family is disgusting but I believe the waiter has seen an opportunity for a quick buck and taken it, no way does any balanced person need medical attention for such a reason.
The hotel F****** up and they are going to have to pay !!

NothingMan

Degag wrote: »

Wouldn't really blame him. He was only doing his job when it comes down to it.

So being a hotel manager involves allowing illegal racial discrimination towards your staff in order to accomodate 1 family?

NothingMan

Dudess wrote: »

He could have got into the height of sh1t for refusing a booking - and effectively refusing money. He doesn't own the hotel/chain.

Totally unfair to blame someone more than the twats in question.

Ok, maybe he couldn't have told them to leave but I still think he was partly to blame for not refusing to accomodate the racist request. Then if the family chose to go elsewhere it's not his problem.

Miguel_Sanchez

getz wrote: »

this thread was only posted because they were english,now if they had been irish;;;

It would have been posted as well.

Perhaps you've never read After Hours - we hate the Irish in here.

ScumLord

Degag wrote: »

Only thing he did wrong was allow the waiter to find out about it. He should have just made sure he was serving different sections of the restuarant.

Well no, like I said he broke the law, what he was doing was wrong, he didn't bother to cover it up at all though which is where you seem to think he went wrong.

I'm sure things like this happen all the time in the hotel industry and managers do cover it up but these guys put it on the system and told staff about it, what was he expecting?

JONJO THE MISER

If i was the Manager i would of told them to Piss off, i mean how can a manager treat his staff like that, Just because of the Guests issues with black people.

ejmaztec

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

It would have been posted as well.

Perhaps you've never read After Hours - we hate the Irish in here.

Nobody's left out here. AH is an equal opportunities hatred forum, the only difference being that some threads get locked quicker than others.:P


...anyway Getz, that family could have been Welsh.:P

uncleoswald

TheInquisitor wrote: »

How were they walking all over him?

I was actually referring to you getting barred from pubs because you were Irish. Good for you that you weren't offended. I don't think I would have exactly been offended either but that's not to say I find that behaviour in anyway acceptable. And I find it down right odd that your post suggested that taking racism on the chin was a mark of bravery, hence the reference to Rosa Parks, someone with true cojones.

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Undoubtedly these people were incredibly racist by not wanting black people to serve them but how is that "walking all over him"?

The hotel, by bowing to the request, allowed this family to walk all over him. And while no doubt he is taking advantage of the situation it is also the best way to punish the hotel by hitting them in the pocket and denting their reputation.

Guy:Incognito

Blobby George wrote: »

Are you for real? The guy is obviously going to suffer from esteem issues after such blatant discrimination. This could be a slippery slope to severe depression. What you describe sounds more like a gentle bit of joking around.

So it's ok to discriminate as long as it's only the Irish?

therecklessone

I hope the hotel gets taken to the cleaners for employing a manager so colossally stupid as to enter that sort of info into a hotel computer system.

WTF was he thinking? "It's OK, darkies be too stoopid to read"?

poisonated

Was the manager fired?

I do agree that you do get some racism directed towards you from bouncers if you are Irish in a foreign country. This being said, people usualy do love you if you are Irish.

It is hard to believe that some people are still so narrow minded.

ScumLord

poisonated wrote: »

Was the manager fired?

I do agree that you do get some racism directed towards you from bouncers if you are Irish in a foreign country.

Where?!! Me and a friend were in Manchester a few years ago stood outside a nightclub having a chat with the bouncer telling us we should visit this other pub because the IRA blew it up, he wasn't 2nd gen Irish or anything.

I've never really been hassled for being Irish, got a few digs but there's nothing wrong with that whereas I've seen the English turned away and beaten up on many occasions. We're universally loved outside of Ireland even though we're probably ten times worse than any American or English tourists could ever be.

Dudess

ScumLord wrote: »

even though we're probably ten times worse than any American or English tourists could ever be.

How? And so what if that English bouncer was nice to you as an Irish person - I'm sure the majority are - but that doesn't mean Irish people haven't experienced the discrimination mentioned.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

Everybody is effected differently. The "I was in that scenario and I didn't react that way" is a joke of an arguement. Why is it so popular? I do not know.

poisonated

A few of us got it in Montpellier a few years ago. One of the bouncers said he wasn't letting us in cause we were Irish. He did change after a while though once we started chattin 2 him.

ScumLord

Dudess wrote: »

How? And so what if that bouncer was nice to you - I'm sure the majority are - but that doesn't mean Irish people haven't experienced the discrimination mentioned.

Loud, obnoxious, drunkards, don't learn the language or care about the local culture, we used to flash the cash thinking it made us important, no respect for just about anything when we are drunk, won't eat the local food, only go to Irish bars.

brummytom

Obviously the family was disgustingly in the wrong, but I think the manager's more to blame here - the family made a ludicrous request, but he didn't have to (and shouldn't) have pandered to it.

Dudess

ScumLord wrote: »

Loud, obnoxious, drunkards, don't learn the language or care about the local culture, we used to flash the cash thinking it made us important, no respect for just about anything when we are drunk, won't eat the local food, only go to Irish bars.

Jesus, way to bow down to stereotypes of us. Some posts on AH really remind me of the leprechaun guy in The Simpsons: "Tis many a baitin' I took - ah but shur 'twas all in good fun..."

And what you've listed is very much applicable to some British tourists, but "we're" worse?

Zapho

Mr Tranchant, a US citizen, was so offended he has sought medical and psychological help, according to the court papers.

Ok fair enough, the man is doing the right thing by sueing because of this Civil Rights violation. Thats completely understandable and I'm 100% on his side.

But seaking medical and psychological help? COME ON! He just trying to squeeze every penny out of this. He already had the moral upper hand, why bring it right back down again?

ScumLord

Dudess wrote: »

Jesus, way to bow down to stereotypes of us. Some posts on AH really remind me of the leprechaun guy in The Simpsons: "Tis many a baitin' I took - ah but shur 'twas all in good fun..."

And what you've listed is very much applicable to some British tourists, but "we're" worse?

We're as bad, the stereotype is usually that the English are yobs on holiday (which they are in fairness) but we act just as bad if not worse yet when we do it it's seen as a laugh.

I've seen it throughout Europe it's fine for Irish to be drunkards because that's whats expected of us and foreigners are even disappointed if you don't live up to the stereotype.

Blobby George

Stekelly wrote: »

So it's ok to discriminate as long as it's only the Irish?

No. I am speaking from experience and usually it is just a little bit of rimming between the Irish and the British. In this case though it was clear racism intended to cause offence.

NothingMan

Blobby George wrote: »

I am speaking from experience and usually it is just a little bit of rimming between the Irish and the British.

:eek:

Auvers

ScumLord wrote: »

We're as bad, the stereotype is usually that the English are yobs on holiday (which they are in fairness) but we act just as bad if not worse yet when we do it it's seen as a laugh. .

have to agree with Scum the only difference is we dont have the superiority\arrogance attitude that alot of English yobs have

Dudess

A good dollop of self-loathing instead maybe?

Dravokivich

ScumLord wrote: »

won't eat the local food, only go to Irish bars.

What I've noticed from the few times I've been across to the states... everyone i got to know was always going on about an Irish bar here and an irish bar there.. we'd end up going to them and then asking me what I thought of how they did the food... arranged the drinks and such...

I just wanted to stand at a bar and demand whiskey from a bar tender while spitting chewing tobacco in a jar and fondling the entertainment...

...as is depicted in movies about their culture.

Auvers

Dudess wrote: »

A good dollop of self-loathing instead maybe?

nail on head there

Dudess

Well I was referring more to the seeming insatiable need to have an inferiority complex about being Irish on After Hours, but thanks anyway.