Mandatory sentence for attacking gardaí?

Nervous Wreck · 26-04-2010 02:53PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

For attacking certain gardaí, there should be a mandatory pint!

KevR · 26-04-2010 02:55PM

I really don't think that the Gardai beating up people is as widespread as some people believe.

Why would they beat you up?

I personally don't intend on ever ending up in Garda custody because I have respect for other people, my country and the law. I can't predict the future but if I do ever end up being in Garda custody for some reason (can't even imagine what) I can see myself being co-operative and non-abusive to the Gardai who are only doing their job. I'm level headed enough to know that being abusive and non co-operative will get me nowhere.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who dish out loads of verbal abuse and are extremely non co-operative when they get arrested. I don't understand why people would think that this would make their situation any better? It's gaurenteed to make it worse. The Gardai, like everyone else, are only human and it's not inconceivable that you might get a slap or two if you push them to the point where they snap. But I certainly don't buy into the idea that they beat people up indiscriminately. So this whole "they will be able beat us up and we'll get sent straight to jail if we defend ourselves" argument is null and void in my opinion.

I don't think all Gardai are perfect, honest, decent people. But most of them are and they are doing a tough job which I wouldn't fancy doing.

Bonito · 26-04-2010 02:59PM

KevR wrote: »

I really don't think that the Gardai beating up people is as widespread as some people believe.

Why would they beat you up?

I personally don't intend on ever ending up in Garda custody because I have respect for other people, my country and the law. I can't predict the future but if I do ever end up being in Garda custody for some reason (can't even imagine what) I can see myself being co-operative and non-abusive to the Gardai who are only doing their job. I'm level headed enough to know that being abusive and non co-operative will get me nowhere.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who dish out loads of verbal abuse and are extremely non co-operative when they get arrested. I don't understand why people would think that this would make their situation any better? It's gaurenteed to make it worse. The Gardai, like everyone else, are only human and it's not inconceivable that you might get a slap or two if you push them to the point where they snap. But I certainly don't buy into the idea that they beat people up indiscriminately. So this whole "they will be able beat us up and we'll get sent straight to jail if we defend ourselves" argument is null and void in my opinion.

I don't think all Gardai are perfect, honest, decent people. But most of them are and they are doing a tough job which I wouldn't fancy doing.

It's more so "back in the day" tbh. Most the Gardaí where I live are new and not from the local area. Years back the Gardaí were local lads and took no shíte. Heard many stories of louts off knacker drinking down the beach or at the pitches acting the maggot and being told to move and then telling the Gardaí to eff off. Only resulted in the riot van being brought up and a couple of them getting dragged in and given a proper few slaps and chucked back out.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 26-04-2010 02:59PM

It's a starting point, the sentence is too severe.
It would have to require a subjective test aswell, that the attacker knew that the Garda was a Garda and acting in the course of his/her duty.
Also, assault constitutes force, however light eg a slight push so it would also want to consist of aggravated assault or even assault causing harm rather than a mere assault

Liam Byrne · 26-04-2010 04:13PM

No, no I don't.

KevR wrote: »

The fact that the punishment doesn't even enter their head is what's most worrying in my opinion.

To be honest, the fact that the punishment does have to enter anyone's head is what's most worrying in mine.

I mean, why are any of us not out on the street attacking Gardai, mugging old ladies, raping some young one or beating someone over the head ?

It's because those actions are wrong.....not because of the sentence involved.

And the fact that some people appear to be trying to mitigate assault by calling it "a drunken slap" is pathetic, tbh.

Decent people don't assault anyone.

I would, however, say that mandatory sentences should be imposed for LOTS of crimes, and that the courts should shut their ears to the PC brigade.

Somnus · 26-04-2010 04:16PM

WindSock wrote: »

Right so I can rape, abuse and neglect my children and get 4-6 years but punch a garda in the face and get 12?

Exactly my thinking. Ridiculous that they would bring in a mandatory sentence for hitting a Garda but not having one just as long, or longer, for other much more serious crimes.

seanybiker · 26-04-2010 04:20PM

No, no I don't.

12 years is more that most murderers do in Ireland. If its 12 years for that then life should be life.

KevR · 26-04-2010 04:22PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

To be honest, the fact that the punishment does have to enter anyone's head is what's most worrying in mine.

I mean, why are any of us not out on the street attacking Gardai, mugging old ladies, raping some young one or beating someone over the head ?

It's because those actions are wrong.....not because of the sentence involved.

And the fact that some people appear to be trying to mitigate assault by calling it "a drunken slap" is pathetic, tbh.

Decent people don't assault anyone.

I would, however, say that mandatory sentences should be imposed for LOTS of crimes, and that the courts should shut their ears to the PC brigade.

You're right, I agree completely.

Decent people don't attack people and commit other crimes because those actions are wrong.

My comments relate to people who are not decent and who will commit crimes if they can get away with it or if the consequences of getting caught don't bother them enough for them to be deterred.

26-04-2010 04:32PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

What a load of balls.

When are we going to see THEM jailed for assaults and the like they carry out eh? :rolleyes:

orourkeda · 26-04-2010 04:38PM

stovelid wrote: »

What if they attack you first?

Surely self defence wouldnt work in those circumstances

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 26-04-2010 05:23PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

This gives less power to the people and more to the guardai. We all know how this is going to go. Scumbags that got on to the force somehow, are going to use this to their advantage and have joe soap down the road living in fear in case one of these scumbags use this law against him in a bully tactic type of way.

What rules have been invented lately to protect the people from beatings and police brutality? The police onbudsman? I laugh at that department the same way I laugh at the financial regulator. Their to save face but have the power to do sweet fcuk all.

Dravokivich · 26-04-2010 05:25PM

connundrum wrote: »

The list is endless, which lets me draw the conclusion that an attack on anyone should carry a 12 year mandatory sentence.

Sure you'd do less for murder...

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I would, however, say that mandatory sentences should be imposed for LOTS of crimes, and that the courts should shut their ears to the PC brigade.

"Bullets for some" <-- would be my opinion... not to kill mind you... just to hurt like fúck so you'd never think of doing it again...

biko · 26-04-2010 06:33PM

Michaelrsh wrote: »

Up the Ra!!

Try to stick to the subject instead of spouting this stuff where it doesn't belong, ok?

RolandIRL · 26-04-2010 06:39PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

i wonder were the people who voted yes all gardai....?

Liam Byrne · 26-04-2010 06:47PM

No, no I don't.

whiteman19 wrote: »

i wonder were the people who voted yes all gardai....?

No, they weren't.

OutlawPete · 26-04-2010 06:51PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

No, they weren't.

Says you Garda Byrne

26-04-2010 07:26PM

I would like to see stiffer sentences for attacking members of the Gardai, and I fully respect the vast majority of them but tbh I'm not quite sure how this would be enforced.

I was arrested a while back for basically being cheeky to them when I was drunk (lesson learned!). This culminated with me having my head slammed into the desk at the station. Now, I found out after that the Garda said I "was swinging for him" which was obviously just to cover his own ass if I went to the ombudsman or something - would I be liable to get 12 years just on the word of the Garda?

Liam Byrne · 26-04-2010 08:14PM

No, no I don't.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Says you Garda Byrne

While part of me would love to be out there ridding the streets of scumbags, I wouldn't be able for it......fair play to those who do/are!

--LOS-- · 26-04-2010 08:29PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

connundrum wrote: »

Court of Criminal Appeal will chop everything by 40% - 60% anyway so whats the point.

Along with attacks on Gardai carrying a 12 year sentence, I'd include groups such as:

Emergency Services (Ambo & Fire)
Pregnant women
OAPS
Children
Nurses & Doctors (whilst on duty)
Security staff (whilst on duty)
Postmen (whilst on duty)

The list is endless, which lets me draw the conclusion that an attack on anyone should carry a 12 year mandatory sentence.

Really hope you're kidding with that list, I see a lot of cards being pulled, should be about the crime, not who you are.

bonzodog2 · 26-04-2010 08:46PM

Bonito wrote: »

It's more so "back in the day" tbh. Most the Gardaí where I live are new and not from the local area. Years back the Gardaí were local lads and took no shíte. Heard many stories of louts off knacker drinking down the beach or at the pitches acting the maggot and being told to move and then telling the Gardaí to eff off. Only resulted in the riot van being brought up and a couple of them getting dragged in and given a proper few slaps and chucked back out.

I was under the impression that Gardaí were not posted/stationed/whatever in the area they are from ?

Run_to_da_hills · 27-04-2010 05:39PM

One reason against manditory sentenses for attacking any police force.

http://carlosmiller.com/2010/04/26/and-the-lies-continue-to-mount-in-the-maryland-police-beating-case/

DarrenMSP · 27-04-2010 06:35PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

One reason against manditory sentenses for attacking any police force.

http://carlosmiller.com/2010/04/26/and-the-lies-continue-to-mount-in-the-maryland-police-beating-case/

I don't agree what the police did here, they completely over reacted, was no need to attack him but I honestly believe common sense has to come play here at some point.

You don't go running and skipping you to riot police on horse back. It's a stupid idea and more often than not, it will end badly. Police in riot gear are there to stop riots and control crowds. Common sense would be to stay clear of them.

Again (in case it was missed) - I agree the Police are completely in the wrong for attacking him and should be tried in court, but common sense people!

RustyBeanTin · 27-04-2010 08:11PM

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RustyBeanTin · 27-04-2010 08:13PM

dlofnep · 27-04-2010 08:13PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

Load of bollocks. Anything could be considered assault.

starbelgrade · 27-04-2010 08:20PM

It'd be nigh on impossible to assault a Garda out my way - I haven't seen one in these parts for well over a year now.

gino85 · 27-04-2010 08:35PM

You know what, I have always wanted to shag a member of an garda siochana

i wouldnt support this, ive heard of a few people being slapped around by the cops in the station

and a point against it on the gardai side of things is that if they come up against a hardened criminal that knows about this they will probably go for broke and maybe end a garda's career or even end up killing him from a savage beating

questioner · 27-04-2010 08:50PM

considering the average life sentence is about 12 years i think that the proposal is ludicrous, man convicted of violent rape in dublin sentenced to 8 years yesterday.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-04-2010 02:10AM

look how well the 'mandatory' sentence for drug dealers worked :rolleyes:

shuvly · 28-04-2010 03:02AM

Please forgive me for flicking through the posts, but athough the op post is related to guards, us nurses get a bit of crap now and again..and I am in a nurse led unit where most of the nurses wont take the [EMAIL="b@sards"]b@sards[/EMAIL] on..but I did last week..verbal and physical...and although my organisation is supposed to have a "zero tolerance " policy...it's a load of feckin ballix...he complained..but I have him by the bollix with a wittness..

Mandatory sentence for attacking gardaí?

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