How bad is emigration in Ireland?

darkman2 · 25-04-2010 04:49PM #1

Is emigration out of Ireland as high as people are suggesting? I wonder are foreign news agencies in particular overblowing the flow of people out of Ireland because I don't know anybody who is thinking of emigrating or has emigrated......yet. But judging by some reports from abroad there is big emigration.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8616434.stm

A bit sensationalist or an under estimate of the problem?

Why we have not smashed up the Government yet for putting us into this situation I don't know.

Bigdeadlydave · 25-04-2010 04:52PM

You must know a very small amount of people then.

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 04:52PM

The global recession is the governments fault.

Correct.

As is the volcano eruption in Iceland

RolandIRL · 25-04-2010 04:53PM

my bro's leaving for oz tomorrow, and i've another brother in swizterland (but that wasn't emigrating to get a job, he left a job for a better one)
i know a good few people gone to oz actually, loads of 20-something year olds from my area are gone for a year working, cos there's nothing here for them.
no point being on the dole here, bored out of your mind. :rolleyes:

karlog · 25-04-2010 04:54PM

I know i'm leaving.

brianthebard · 25-04-2010 04:55PM

snyper wrote: »

The global recession is the governments fault.

Correct.

As is the volcano eruption in Iceland

We get it, you voted FF in the last election and you're not sorry about it. Good for you.

Stinicker · 25-04-2010 05:00PM

We tukk their jurbs

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 05:04PM

brianthebard wrote: »

We get it, you voted FF in the last election and you're not sorry about it. Good for you.

Not quite correct.

But i dont like the same ol bullsh1t mantra Newstalk and redtop press publish as fact. Use of my brain and logical thinking is my preferred option.

Yes this government fcuked up many things, made incorrect decisions and didnt make decisions when required, but to spout the same shyte you hear in junk papers about fat bankers, greedy builders and incompitent politicians is bollox. Im not ignoring the facts, but im not ignorant to global econimics either

brianthebard · 25-04-2010 05:09PM

snyper wrote: »

Not quite correct.

But i don't like the same old bullsh1t mantra Newstalk and redtop press publish as fact. Use of my brain and logical thinking is my preferred option.

Yes this government fcuked up many things, made incorrect decisions and didn't make decisions when required, but to spout the same shyte you hear in junk papers about fat bankers, greedy builders and incompetent politicians is bollocks. I'm not ignoring the facts, but I'm not ignorant to global economics either

global economics didn't create an Irish bubble, and no matter how much you or FF argue about it that fact remains.

SugarHigh · 25-04-2010 05:11PM

snyper wrote: »

Not quite correct.

But i dont like the same ol bullsh1t mantra Newstalk and redtop press publish as fact. Use of my brain and logical thinking is my preferred option.

Yes this government fcuked up many things, made incorrect decisions and didnt make decisions when required, but to spout the same shyte you hear in junk papers about fat bankers, greedy builders and incompitent politicians is bollox. Im not ignoring the facts, but im not ignorant to global econimics either

Why do you think Ireland was hit much worse than all the other countries affected by the global recession?

Do you not think we should have been prepared for our property bubble to burst when we were constantly being warned about it?

IvySlayer · 25-04-2010 05:11PM

Fianna Fail are not to blame for people taking out massive loans/mortgages. They are ****e at running the country and need to be replaced, but nothing could have prevented this recession.

df1985 · 25-04-2010 05:14PM

its worth remember ing that a lot of people going to oz would have gone anyway, even if the celtic tiger was still roaring away. the year in oz/ backpacking round asia has become a rite of passage for many young irish people. im going next yr, the economy doesnt factor in my decision.

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 05:16PM

brianthebard wrote: »

global economics didn't create an Irish bubble, .

It was a factor.

We are a pimple on the surface of the globe. We dont have a natural resource like oil, therefore our economic sucess will be linked with global performance

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 05:18PM

SugarHigh wrote: »

Why do you think Ireland was hit much worse than all the other countries affected by the global recession?

Do you not think we should have been prepared for our property bubble to burst when we were constantly being warned about it?

Yes, that part is the fault of the government. The country was too reliant on the property market.

AARRRRGH · 25-04-2010 05:20PM

SugarHigh wrote: »

Why do you think Ireland was hit much worse than all the other countries affected by the global recession?

Do you not think we should have been prepared for our property bubble to burst when we were constantly being warned about it?

I was prepared. Not because all the know-alls (one idiots opinion is as bad as any others, NOBODY really knows what the economic landscape will be in 5 years) kept saying it was going to burst. But because I was prepared IN CASE it happened. I had myself in a position where it could keep going, or burst, and I would gain from it.

Anyway back on topic. OP you are right. Everyone is talking about emigration, but I have yet to see it any different than it was all through the last 5 or 6 years.
If those who are unemployed emigrated it would be great for all. They would have better lives and the state wouldnt have to support them. But they would rather cry on boards than help themselves, so no, they are not emigrating.
The same amount of people are going to Oz every year as there have been for many years now. They wont be staying, though they'll try to stay there, as they have always done even in the boom times.

brianthebard · 25-04-2010 05:21PM

snyper wrote: »

It was a factor.

We are a pimple on the surface of the globe. We dont have a natural resource like oil, therefore our economic sucess will be linked with global performance

Amazingly reductive reasoning. Your example blows btw, you think oil/natural resources aren't linked to global performance? The property bubble is accountable for the current recession and the FF led governments of the last decade is accountable for the bubble.

Wagon · 25-04-2010 05:21PM

Left a few months ago. Dont plan to return to live for a while.

AARRRRGH · 25-04-2010 05:22PM

snyper wrote: »

It was a factor.

We are a pimple on the surface of the globe. We dont have a natural resource like oil, therefore our economic sucess will be linked with global performance

And its a bigger factor than many people seems to realize. Amazing how blinkered people are.
Some people are actually going around with their head up their arse thinking the global economy has nothing to do with how bad or how well ours is doing.

Scarinae · 25-04-2010 05:24PM

I'm doing a masters in London this year, so I suppose in a sense you could say I've emigrated. I thought I would move back to Ireland afterwards, but everybody is telling me that would be an awful idea and that I'd have trouble even getting a job in a pub. I know several other people from home who are over here in London, as well as other parts of England, and I know people who have moved to Australia, the US and Canada among other places. I also cannot believe how many people I know in Ireland who are on the dole

Radiotower · 25-04-2010 05:25PM

Between people I went to college with and lads from home I went to school with I know lads in England, Finland, Luxembourg, Australia, USA, UAE and Japan. About 18 lads in total (of the top of my head - prob more!), then include their partners and it adds up. I could be joining them soon.

I dont know where you're living if you dont know anyone that has emmigrated or is thinking about it

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 05:25PM

brianthebard wrote: »

Amazingly reductive reasoning. Your example blows btw, you think oil/natural resources aren't linked to global performance? The property bubble is accountable for the current recession and the FF led governments of the last decade is accountable for the bubble.

yea. The sultan over in the middle east is broke now. Cant sell a barrell of oil for a penny.

:rolleyes:

Stinicker · 25-04-2010 05:25PM

I hope some of the begrudgers who were quick to complain and even exploit about Polish and Eastern Europeans coming over here during to boom to make a few bob are the first to experience such discrimination when they are now forced to go abroad.

When I worked with a few Polish lads in a hotel alot of the Irish completely shunned them only having anything to do with them on a professional level. Every morning I'd have the fry with them in the canteen and we all got on grand.

This is what Emigration and integration is about not coming off the first plane and onto the dole straight away and then living in some ghettoised community where they keep to themselves.

I am heading to Australia in July for a holiday with a view to returning in 2011 for a year or two, I would be perfectly happy to have no contact with any Irish over there and I cringe when I see the Irish Soccer or GAA wearing jersey types who head for the 1st Irish bar and get pissed. I heard one fellow say of Australia, the only problem is its full of Australians! *bangs head off wall*

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 05:26PM

AARRRRGH wrote: »

And its a bigger factor than many people seems to realize. Amazing how blinkered people are.
Some people are actually going around with their head up their arse thinking the global economy has nothing to do with how bad or how well ours is doing.

Dont confuse blinkered with ignorance

AARRRRGH · 25-04-2010 05:32PM

Radiotower wrote: »

Between people I went to college with and lads from home I went to school with I know lads in England, Finland, Luxembourg, Australia, USA, UAE and Japan. About 18 lads in total (of the top of my head - prob more!), then include their partners and it adds up. I could be joining them soon.

I dont know where you're living if you dont know anyone that has emmigrated or is thinking about it

Thinking is not doing.
Sure we've all been thinking about it forever. I fancy the Carribbean mysef.

Almost everyone has emigrated for at least one or more years after school/college. Always been that way. My whole year in school left and most stayed away for at least 3 years. The only time we would meet up was in the pub at Christmas when everyone was home. 95% of us are now back in Ireland. Its just what you do when you are young.

Alessandra · 25-04-2010 05:34PM

I left about 8 months ago and don't plan on returning unless a better opportunity presents itself at home(Highly unlikely).

People left at home are either unemployed or working for less money that they were 2-3 years ago.

I know many people who have left for the UK, America and Austrailia and some in Europe. Graduates in many areas as well as tradesmen and those without qualifications have no option but to leave.

REXER · 25-04-2010 05:34PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

Fianna Fail are not to blame for people taking out massive loans/mortgages. They are ****e at running the country and need to be replaced, but nothing could have prevented this recession.

So do you belive that it was entirely beyond FF to limit the credit supply and so doing keep a lid on the runaway house prices?

That and enforcing sound credit supply rules is all it would have taken to keep everyone sane, but that way there wouldn't have been the massive amounts of stamp duty for the corrupt [EMAIL="w@nkers"]w@nkers[/EMAIL] to squander.

Radiotower · 25-04-2010 05:35PM

AARRRRGH wrote: »

I was prepared. Not because all the know-alls (one idiots opinion is as bad as any others, NOBODY really knows what the economic landscape will be in 5 years) kept saying it was going to burst. But because I was prepared IN CASE it happened. I had myself in a position where it could keep going, or burst, and I would gain from it.

Anyway back on topic. OP you are right. Everyone is talking about emigration, but I have yet to see it any different than it was all through the last 5 or 6 years.
If those who are unemployed emigrated it would be great for all. They would have better lives and the state wouldnt have to support them. But they would rather cry on boards than help themselves, so no, they are not emigrating.
The same amount of people are going to Oz every year as there have been for many years now. They wont be staying, though they'll try to stay there, as they have always done even in the boom times.

So the population of Ireland keeps reducing, eventually there will be no-one to buy goods and services. I know for myself emmigrating is the last option for me, I would much rather work in Ireland and spend my money here but looking like its not an option.

Losing the immgrant workers is hurting also as they are leaving and going back home so we're not getting any of their disposable income.

Radiotower · 25-04-2010 05:40PM

AARRRRGH wrote: »

Thinking is not doing.
Sure we've all been thinking about it forever. I fancy the Carribbean mysef.

Almost everyone has emigrated for at least one or more years after school/college. Always been that way. My whole year in school left and most stayed away for at least 3 years. The only time we would meet up was in the pub at Christmas when everyone was home. 95% of us are now back in Ireland. Its just what you do when you are young.

Well its 16years since I done the leaving cert and all the lads i know who are overseas are not doing it as part of a right of passage - that is well out of their system. They are doing it now because they have families and responsibilities - they are not living in Bondi and drinking every night in The Cock and Bull

Michaelrsh · 25-04-2010 05:41PM

someone said 50,000 people emigrated in 2009.

Noreen1 · 25-04-2010 05:45PM

There are very high levels of emigration in my area. Of those 20- something who remain, many have decided to return to education. Since forecasts predict that further education may not be an option next year, I expect the emigration figures will continue to rise next year.:(

Noreen

myflipflops · 25-04-2010 05:48PM

I left 7 months ago. It was to get a better paying job rather than any job though.

Succesful, profitable, growing companies using the general economic climate in Ireland to implement pay freezes annoy me. If your directors bonuses are going through the roof then my salary should be allowed to grow naturally.

How bad is emigration in Ireland?

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