Stay away, because if you dont I'll spray mace in yer face!!!

InTheTrees · 23-04-2010 06:54PM

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Pepper spray or any aerosol noxious chemical is legally a firearm in ireland, and subject to all firearms laws.

Bizzaro world. They should classify knives as firearms too, why not. How about baseball bats as well?

Being sprayed in the face with Spring Glade Air Freshner would be pretty noxious, does that mean its a firearm also?

The Aussie · 23-04-2010 07:01PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

How about baseball bats as well?

Someone told me a while ago that there is not even a baseball club in Munster, but they sell Baseball Bats in all the sports stores, what do they think they are being used for at the counter???

InTheTrees · 23-04-2010 07:05PM

The Aussie wrote: »

Someone told me a while ago that there is not even a baseball club in Munster, but they sell Baseball Bats in all the sports stores, what do they think they are being used for at the counter???

LOL!

yeah whatever happened to good old pick axe handles? I blame hollywood.

vicecreamsundae · 23-04-2010 07:15PM

i bought some online from germany before and it was delivered no problem but i've heard about people doing the same and getting in trouble for attempting to import firearms since then, so not sure i'd do it again. was glad i had it - was living in a bit of a sketchy area at the time, and though i never had to use it there were a few times i felt a lot safer knowing i had that up my sleeve.

i think in canada mace/pepper spray was technically illegal for use on humans, but you could buy "bear deterrant spray" in the army store which was the same thing.

MagicSean · 23-04-2010 07:16PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

Yeah its illegal. Classed as a firearm.

Stercus Accidit · 23-04-2010 07:21PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Bizzaro world. They should classify knives as firearms too, why not. How about baseball bats as well?

Being sprayed in the face with Spring Glade Air Freshner would be pretty noxious, does that mean its a firearm also?

If it projects a noxious chemical, it is.

It is the letter of the law, just be aware.

pigeonbutler · 23-04-2010 07:28PM

k_mac wrote: »

Yeah its illegal. Classed as a firearm.

Source?

I love how Irish people repeat things about the legality of stuff with questioning where it came from.

Odysseus · 23-04-2010 07:36PM

pigeonbutler wrote: »

Source?

I love how Irish people repeat things about the legality of stuff with questioning where it came from.

Look up the Criminal Justice 2009. Its there, they have been classed as illegal for over 10 years. I can't remember exactly when they where named, but they hace been illegal for a long time.

twinQuins · 23-04-2010 07:39PM

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

But the samething can be said for kitchen knifes!

Not even close to being the same thing.

Exact same logic for dealing with some fool who is driving dangerously "just for a laugh", should we ban cars or just deal with that asshole?

Again, not the same thing. Cars and kitchen knives aren't designed solely to injure and incapacitate people. They can be used for that (and worse) but that's not their primary or intended use.

I hate "think of the children" as much as anyone but if you're going to argue a point, at least get it right.

InTheTrees · 23-04-2010 07:39PM

k_mac wrote: »

Classed as a firearm.

I'm guessing this actually means something like Noxious chemical sprays used as a weapon fall under the same category as most firearms.

Odysseus · 23-04-2010 07:55PM

Noxious sprays as covered by the term "prohibited weapon" http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1925/en/act/pub/0017/sec0001.html#zza17y1925s1

AckwelFoley · 23-04-2010 08:34PM

Pepper spray is a bastard.

Takes an age for the pain to go away.

BAN IT!

MagicSean · 23-04-2010 08:49PM

pigeonbutler wrote: »

Source?

I love how Irish people repeat things about the legality of stuff with questioning where it came from.

Section 4(e) Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990

AckwelFoley · 23-04-2010 09:14PM

k_mac wrote: »

Yeah its illegal. Classed as a firearm.

k_mac wrote: »

Section 4(e) Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990

I'll go with option b ted..

Its an offensive weapon?

Odysseus · 23-04-2010 09:32PM

snyper wrote: »

I'll go with option b ted..

Its an offensive weapon?

Prohibited is the correct term. The following is a sirect quote:

"the expression “prohibited weapon” means and includes any weapon of whatever description designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing, and also any ammunition (whether for any such weapon as aforesaid or for any other weapon) which contains or is designed or adapted to contain any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing;"

MagicSean · 24-04-2010 12:17AM

snyper wrote: »

I'll go with option b ted..

Its an offensive weapon?

The 1990 act included it under the definition of a firearm. Offensive weapons are knives and the like. Read the act before you try and be smart.

AckwelFoley · 24-04-2010 01:01PM

k_mac wrote: »

The 1990 act included it under the definition of a firearm. .

really?

link plz

partyatmygaff · 24-04-2010 01:04PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

I guess you're married to someone of every nationality then :pac:

Stephentlig · 24-04-2010 01:10PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I guess you're married to someone of every nationality then :pac:

lol we've already been through this *points you to a few pages back* lol

It wasn't me! · 24-04-2010 01:13PM

Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 designated it a prohibited weapon within the meaning of the Firearms Act 1925-2009. Whether it is in fact a firearm (it's not) is irrelevant, as the same legislation specifies crossbows as firearms also. It's a point of legislation, not fact. However, as a prohibited weapon, it is not possible to obtain a firearm certificate for it, unlike the other items mentioned under the various definitions within the firearms acts.

Mrmoe · 24-04-2010 03:36PM

Not too difficult to make and it is handy for seasoning food.:)

Odysseus · 24-04-2010 09:22PM

snyper wrote: »

really?

link plz

I already quoted the act to you, but it is hard to find, when I went looking for it, I could find it again, but thanks to the kind people in the ES forum there you go http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1925/en/act/pub/0017/sec0001.html#zza17y1925s1

nlgbbbblth · 24-04-2010 11:13PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I'm talking from personal experience. I defended myself and got into more trouble that the scum who were attacking me for no reason.

there does seem to be a pattern of "punish the retaliator, not the instigator" in Irish courts.

falan · 24-04-2010 11:39PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

It's Definitely illegal in Ireland...I work with a Polish guy and he was found with it in his car. He started carrying it after the two poles were stabbed in the head with screwdrivers in Dublin (in the news atm).
I think he was fined 250eur and couldn't believe it as it is legal in Poland and most eastern European countries...

It should definitely be legalised...

EdwardNigahans · 25-04-2010 03:38AM

Couldn't it be disguised as a can of lynx?

Overheal · 25-04-2010 05:03AM

EdwardNigahans wrote: »

Couldn't it be disguised as a can of lynx?

I would just carry a Can of LYNX and a Lighter tbh

thats a joke. calm down

AckwelFoley · 25-04-2010 11:03AM

Odysseus wrote: »

I already quoted the act to you, but it is hard to find, when I went looking for it, I could find it again, but thanks to the kind people in the ES forum there you go http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1925/en/act/pub/0017/sec0001.html#zza17y1925s1

Then, if my interpretation is correct Petterspray is not classedas a firearm but as a "prohibited weapon" is is as you said, however k-mac thinks otherwise

1.—(1) In this Act—

the word “firearm” means a lethal firearm or other lethal weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged;

the expression “prohibited weapon” means and includes any weapon of whatever description designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing, and also any ammunition (whether for any such weapon as aforesaid or for any other weapon) which contains or is designed or adapted to contain any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing

Odysseus · 25-04-2010 11:38AM

snyper wrote: »

Then, if my interpretation is correct Petterspray is not classedas a firearm but as a "prohibited weapon" is is as you said, however k-mac thinks otherwise

My understanding is you will still be done under the firearms act, so it is still classed as a firearm.

m@cc@ · 25-04-2010 02:34PM

Stephentlig wrote: »

I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful.

Your powers of observation have not failed you.

Odysseus · 25-04-2010 02:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

I would just carry a Can of LYNX and a Lighter tbh

thats a joke. calm down

I would like to see someone using that combination whilst been attacked. A small can of lynx or some thing similar by itself would do the job. The free sample type which is only a couple of inches long fits easy in the pocket. Personally I have a AA maglite in my pocket for such occassions, that or a good solid pen. Perfectly legal to carry, but like any self denfense item you need to practice using it, and be able to access it when needed.

Thankfully even though my worker brings me into contact with criminals, I haven't had to physically defend myself for a long time. You mind is the best self defense item you will ever have.

Stay away, because if you dont I'll spray mace in yer face!!!

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