Stay away, because if you dont I'll spray mace in yer face!!!

Stephentlig

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

Danbo!

I assume its legal here as my old boss bought a can for himself for when he was doing bank runs. Opened it up and did the classic 'its not working so ill look into the nozzle as I spray' routine. From what I saw, it doesnt appear to be too pleasant.

Ri_Nollaig

Its illegal here as far as I know.
You can probably buy it online without an issue but if you ever used it on someone, you would probably be up for assault and charged with having an illegal weapon.

Dont see why its illegal myself... but hey, the government knows whats best for us right? and we should never question that.

Wazdakka

I've been sprayed in the eyes with pepper spray..

It sucks.

Stephentlig

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Its illegal here as far as I know.
You can probably buy it online without an issue but if you ever used it on someone, you would probably be up for assault and charged with having an illegal weapon.

Dont see why its illegal myself... but hey, the government knows whats best for us right? and we should never question that.

I suppose there is a danger of kids getting hold of it and spraying each other with it.

minidazzler

Stephentlig wrote: »

I suppose there is a danger of kids getting hold of it and spraying each other with it.

Kinda like farting gas! That stuff was rancid!

The Aussie

A old flat mate of mine in Galway brought some back from Spain years ago, dont know if its legal here in Ireland, someone stole it from the house during a house party one weekend, a few week latter some D!ck let some off in a night club also in Galway, dont know if it was the same can or not and never heard if they caught the D!ck in the club either

kmick

Its illegal.
http://www.galwayindependent.com/local-news/local-news/taxi-driver-in-court-for-pepper-spray-attack-/

neilthefunkeone

I picked up a couple cans of it when I was in Andorra a few years ago... Mate wanted to try it out so he sprayed it in his hands.. Got a bit tearful but not too bad... He then decided to wipe his hand off using my face!!

Very painful..

spideog7

It's illegal in Ireland. I think pepper spray and mace are different. One of them stings your eyes and is a minor inconvenience to disable you. The other stings your skin and eyes and burns like feck.

Someone near me got mugged the other day, some fella sprayed them with the stuff as he was passing them on the street, then knicked their stuff while they were squirming on the ground. If it was some Irish scumbag he'd probably kick you in the head while he was at it, keep it illegal I say!!

Stephentlig

minidazzler wrote: »

Kinda like farting gas! That stuff was rancid!

and the stink bombs, wonder if they still sell those?

sbsquarepants

Stee wrote: »

I assume its legal here as my old boss bought a can for himself for when he was doing bank runs. Opened it up and did the classic 'its not working so ill look into the nozzle as I spray' routine. From what I saw, it doesnt appear to be too pleasant.

This man is the boss?
Bankruptcy beckons

we'llallhavetea_old

Wazdakka wrote: »

I've been sprayed in the eyes with pepper spray..

It sucks.

that explains the avatar

Ri_Nollaig

Stephentlig wrote: »

I suppose there is a danger of kids getting hold of it and spraying each other with it.

But the samething can be said for kitchen knifes! doesn't mean we should go banning them. I REALLY hate the nanny state attidute towards banning anything and using the "wont someone think of the children" as an excuse.

They should be legal, sold only to over 18s. If someone dicks around with one they should be prosecuted appropriately.
Exact same logic for dealing with some fool who is driving dangerously "just for a laugh", should we ban cars or just deal with that asshole?

dvpower

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day ...

How many wives do you have?

Ri_Nollaig

spideog7 wrote: »

Someone near me got mugged the other day, some fella sprayed them with the stuff as he was passing them on the street, then knicked their stuff while they were squirming on the ground. If it was some Irish scumbag he'd probably kick you in the head while he was at it, keep it illegal I say!!

Thats fairly bad alright, but they are already illegal and that happened anyway. Just shows scumbags are never going to care either way.

Nulty

Stephentlig wrote: »

and the stink bombs, wonder if they still sell those?

you can buy them in thejoke shop near the Stephans Green Shopping Centre. and smoke bombs. great fun when you were a kid. used to roll them under phone boxes when people were on the phone

Sofiztikated

You get used to it after the 18th or 19th time. Now I use it to flavour my steaks.

*The above may be complete and utter lies, but hey, its AH, why should I let that stop me*

Stercus Accidit

Pepper spray or any aerosol noxious chemical is legally a firearm in ireland, and subject to all firearms laws.

Good luck with that one lads.

Dravokivich

dvpower wrote: »

How many wives do you have?

And from how many different countries?

Do you double up in any of them?

CrazyRabbit

Irish people are not allowed to defend themselves from scum. So it's probably illegal.

Remember...the criminals have more rights than their victims.

Kasabian

Wazdakka wrote: »

I've been sprayed in the eyes with pepper spray..

It sucks.

I'll ask. Why?

Mark200

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Irish people are not allowed to defend themselves from scum. So it's probably illegal.

Remember...the criminals have more rights than their victims.

BS

CrazyRabbit

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Irish people are not allowed to defend themselves from scum. So it's probably illegal.

Remember...the criminals have more rights than their victims.

Mark200 wrote: »

BS

I'm talking from personal experience. I defended myself and got into more trouble that the scum who were attacking me for no reason.

Stephentlig

dvpower wrote: »

How many wives do you have?

fortunetly for me? just the one :P

I can see though how that could of been read lol

corkcomp

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

please dont give any to your Irish wife.. irish women would be likely to spray every passer by if they didnt like the look of him:P

Stephentlig

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

But the samething can be said for kitchen knifes! doesn't mean we should go banning them. I REALLY hate the nanny state attidute towards banning anything and using the "wont someone think of the children" as an excuse.

They should be legal, sold only to over 18s. If someone dicks around with one they should be prosecuted appropriately.
Exact same logic for dealing with some fool who is driving dangerously "just for a laugh", should we ban cars or just deal with that asshole?

you raise some good points nollaig, but my theory at the moment is that the statistics for kids spraying and damaging each other with mace would be far higher than that of kids stabbing each other with knives, which every kid knows ''kills''.

Stephentlig

corkcomp wrote: »

please dont give any to your Irish wife.. irish women would be likely to spray every passer by if they didnt like the look of him:P

yep, welcome to Ireland, where the men...are men...and the women...are also men. :P:pac:

silverharp

Stephentlig wrote: »

I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

That implies you deserve to be sprayed with mace only no one here uses it here.... steps back slowly

Stephentlig

Nulty wrote: »

you can buy them in thejoke shop near the Stephans Green Shopping Centre. and smoke bombs. great fun when you were a kid. used to roll them under phone boxes when people were on the phone

we used to let them off in school, so the joke shop here stop selling them because the schools gave out stink to them :pac:

Stephentlig

Silverharp2 wrote: »

That implies you deserve to be sprayed with mace only no one here uses it here.... steps back slowly

silverharps theory is that everyone who has not been sprayed with mace should be, hmmm thats a rather morbid outlook dont you think? :pac:

InTheTrees

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Pepper spray or any aerosol noxious chemical is legally a firearm in ireland, and subject to all firearms laws.

Bizzaro world. They should classify knives as firearms too, why not. How about baseball bats as well?

Being sprayed in the face with Spring Glade Air Freshner would be pretty noxious, does that mean its a firearm also?

The Aussie

InTheTrees wrote: »

How about baseball bats as well?

Someone told me a while ago that there is not even a baseball club in Munster, but they sell Baseball Bats in all the sports stores, what do they think they are being used for at the counter???

InTheTrees

The Aussie wrote: »

Someone told me a while ago that there is not even a baseball club in Munster, but they sell Baseball Bats in all the sports stores, what do they think they are being used for at the counter???

LOL!

yeah whatever happened to good old pick axe handles? I blame hollywood.

vicecreamsundae

i bought some online from germany before and it was delivered no problem but i've heard about people doing the same and getting in trouble for attempting to import firearms since then, so not sure i'd do it again. was glad i had it - was living in a bit of a sketchy area at the time, and though i never had to use it there were a few times i felt a lot safer knowing i had that up my sleeve.

i think in canada mace/pepper spray was technically illegal for use on humans, but you could buy "bear deterrant spray" in the army store which was the same thing.

MagicSean

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

Yeah its illegal. Classed as a firearm.

Stercus Accidit

InTheTrees wrote: »

Bizzaro world. They should classify knives as firearms too, why not. How about baseball bats as well?

Being sprayed in the face with Spring Glade Air Freshner would be pretty noxious, does that mean its a firearm also?

If it projects a noxious chemical, it is.

It is the letter of the law, just be aware.

pigeonbutler

k_mac wrote: »

Yeah its illegal. Classed as a firearm.

Source?

I love how Irish people repeat things about the legality of stuff with questioning where it came from.

Odysseus

pigeonbutler wrote: »

Source?

I love how Irish people repeat things about the legality of stuff with questioning where it came from.

Look up the Criminal Justice 2009. Its there, they have been classed as illegal for over 10 years. I can't remember exactly when they where named, but they hace been illegal for a long time.

twinQuins

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

But the samething can be said for kitchen knifes!

Not even close to being the same thing.

Exact same logic for dealing with some fool who is driving dangerously "just for a laugh", should we ban cars or just deal with that asshole?

Again, not the same thing. Cars and kitchen knives aren't designed solely to injure and incapacitate people. They can be used for that (and worse) but that's not their primary or intended use.

I hate "think of the children" as much as anyone but if you're going to argue a point, at least get it right.

InTheTrees

k_mac wrote: »

Classed as a firearm.

I'm guessing this actually means something like Noxious chemical sprays used as a weapon fall under the same category as most firearms.

Odysseus

Noxious sprays as covered by the term "prohibited weapon" http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1925/en/act/pub/0017/sec0001.html#zza17y1925s1

AckwelFoley

Pepper spray is a bastard.

Takes an age for the pain to go away.

BAN IT!

MagicSean

pigeonbutler wrote: »

Source?

I love how Irish people repeat things about the legality of stuff with questioning where it came from.

Section 4(e) Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990

AckwelFoley

k_mac wrote: »

Yeah its illegal. Classed as a firearm.

k_mac wrote: »

Section 4(e) Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990

I'll go with option b ted..

Its an offensive weapon?

Odysseus

snyper wrote: »

I'll go with option b ted..

Its an offensive weapon?

Prohibited is the correct term. The following is a sirect quote:


"the expression “prohibited weapon” means and includes any weapon of whatever description designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing, and also any ammunition (whether for any such weapon as aforesaid or for any other weapon) which contains or is designed or adapted to contain any noxious liquid, noxious gas, or other noxious thing;"

MagicSean

snyper wrote: »

I'll go with option b ted..

Its an offensive weapon?

The 1990 act included it under the definition of a firearm. Offensive weapons are knives and the like. Read the act before you try and be smart.

AckwelFoley

k_mac wrote: »

The 1990 act included it under the definition of a firearm. .

really?

link plz

partyatmygaff

Stephentlig wrote: »

was talkin to the american Wife the other day and she tells me that in america while out walking she can defend herself with mace, is it legal here in Ireland I wonder? I personally would hate to be sprayed with the stuff as it looks awful painful. has anyone ever been sprayed with it? if so, what was it like?

I guess you're married to someone of every nationality then :pac:

Stephentlig

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I guess you're married to someone of every nationality then :pac:

lol we've already been through this *points you to a few pages back* lol

It wasn't me!

Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 designated it a prohibited weapon within the meaning of the Firearms Act 1925-2009. Whether it is in fact a firearm (it's not) is irrelevant, as the same legislation specifies crossbows as firearms also. It's a point of legislation, not fact. However, as a prohibited weapon, it is not possible to obtain a firearm certificate for it, unlike the other items mentioned under the various definitions within the firearms acts.