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Cluster Bombs

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade



    Still nothing? Oh ok then, Tar.Aldarion ≠ Tar.Aldarionftw

    No - my usual language is english, not riddle-me-nerd-speak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    No - my usual language is english, not riddle-me-nerd-speak.

    Think back to your Junior/Leaving Cert.
    That symbol means 'not equal to'.

    He believes that you have confused the OP (a newb), with Boards' favourite portrait of androgyny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭spudmonkey17


    No - my usual language is english, not riddle-me-nerd-speak.

    "Tar.Aldarion" AND "Tar.Aldarionftw" ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT "Tar.Aldarion" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS "Tar.Aldarionftw" BUT YOU FAILED TO NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF THE "ftw" SUFFIX AT THE END OF HIS USERNAME, HENCE THE CONFUSION.

    SORRY TO SHOU- *ahem* sorry to shout but I felt the situation warranted the clarity :pac:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Depends on what the target is.

    Fuel Air Explosives might be better on some targets. Or napalm on others.

    Precision guided munitions are far better if you want to target a single target or you need the punch to take out a bridge.

    It's horses for courses really.


    Bonus points if you use cluster bombs with plastic shrapnel. Since the shrapnel doesn't show on X-rays you will burden the health service in the target country for years.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Did somebody say ambiguous sexuality, hai guise :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Depends on what the target is.

    Fuel Air Explosives might be better on some targets. Or napalm on others.

    Precision guided munitions are far better if you want to target a single target or you need the punch to take out a bridge.

    It's horses for courses really.


    Bonus points if you use cluster bombs with plastic shrapnel. Since the shrapnel doesn't show on X-rays you will burden the health service in the target country for years.

    That's pretty sick so it is. It's like something you'd see on that god awful discovery channel programme "Future Weapons"...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    "Tar.Aldarion" AND "Tar.Aldarionftw" ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT "Tar.Aldarion" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS "Tar.Aldarionftw" BUT YOU FAILED TO NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF THE "ftw" SUFFIX AT THE END OF HIS USERNAME, HENCE THE CONFUSION.

    SORRY TO SHOU- *ahem* sorry to shout but I felt the situation warranted the clarity :pac:

    Do you have an e-mail address for Tard Aldrion where I can adress my personal comments to?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

    They also have immediate effects which, at the time of use, are unable to be matched by any other weapon system.

    Take, for example, the Yugoslav breakup. The Srebenicze massacre undoubtedly did all the of the above listed long-term effects. The Dutch troops guarding the place elected not to make a fight of it, had they decided to do so, air support would have been fundamental in their defence of the town, and cluster munitions fundamental in their support because of what they do. Most notably, they have great effect on area targets without the infrastructure destruction caused by unitary munitions. They have particularly great effect on groups of vehicles.

    There's no such thing as a war which doesn't have all sorts of negative long-term effects, not least on the dead and their families. That's sortof why wars are generally best avoided to begin with. Focusing on what you're allowed to use once one starts sortof misses the point.

    The recent protocol on prohibiting cluster munitions (signed generally only by countries who aren't likely to need them any time soon) was pretty much silly. For example, it mandates that munitions fired must have a maximum of seven bomblets, all of which have self-destruct timers on them. The current generation munitions in US service have lots of bomblets, all of which have self-destruct timers on them. So all they need to do (were they willing to sign up) is just fire four or five rounds where one would have done, and you end up with exactly the same long-term effect on the ground, and less effect militarily. Where's the logic in this? Great PR to be sure, but utterly daft.

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Sod'o swords


    Can't remember it off hand, or find it on teh interwebs, but i think the figures for cluster bombs not detonating are fairly high, for that reason, they arn't the best way of avoiding collateral damage, but i think as said above, OP's just a Battlefield fan......which doesn't even have cluster bombs, n00b.


  • Posts: 8,092 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They were aweomse in the early versions of Worms, but I felt they reduced their effectiveness in later versions.

    I have actually been looking for download links to the older worm games, damn you.

    Call of Duty, everyone is doing it? Nothing beat a lol banana bomb.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    They were aweomse in the early versions of Worms, but I felt they reduced their effectiveness in later versions.
    Pffft, Worms? :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    El Siglo wrote: »
    That's pretty sick so it is.
    Of course it is. But it happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    rubensni wrote: »
    Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

    To make a long argument short, so does war, not just cluster bombs.

    Having this topic in After Hours isn't going to discuss the topic properly, the Military forum might be apt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Depends on there use. For taking out a convoy of vehicles in a low populated area or destroying something large like an airfield, they're unbeatable.

    But using them in high density civilian urban areas like the US have in Iraq and Afghanistan IMO is nothing short of war crime as it's an "indiscriminate" weapon. The amount of maimed civilians in these countries is sickening, all as a result of cluster bomb use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭Wossack


    has taken alot of restraint to not make an alt called starbelgradeftw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    rubensni wrote: »
    What has that to do with anything? Does one have to have been in Hiroshima when the bomb fell to have an opinion on whether nuclear weapons are acceptable?

    Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

    I was slightly intoxicated when posting on this thread :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Holy Moses, I cant believe this thread has not been closed.

    Debating how effective a weapon is on the battlefield.

    Hows about "how effective is a banana at keeping you feeling full?"

    As Im sure you know, cluster bombs are designed to kill and maim enemy targets, however, these bomblets usually wait around for years, sometimes decades before they become effective, usually maiming or killing civillians.

    They can be deployed in many variations. In thoery, if you knew the axis of advance from an enemy threat, you could use the cluster bomb as a defensive weapon. These bomblets can also be used as flank protection. These are just 2 obvious instances.

    The applications above may not be immediately effective.

    For immediate enemy kills on a large scale, I would not consider cluster bombs to be immediately effective on the battlefield.

    Unless,

    They are airdropped in a dense hostile held urban area, then, yes id imagine they would be very effective. Especially if many of them are disguised as shiney curios or kids fluffy toys. Anything people think is valuable or stealable and will pick up...

    ..BOOM!!, no hands + no face = effective weapon on the battlefield.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?
    Well it's bullsh!t that's all I know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    benwavner wrote: »
    Holy Moses, I cant believe this thread has not been closed.

    Debating how effective a weapon is on the battlefield.

    What's wrong with debating the effectiveness of weapons?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    El Siglo wrote: »
    That's pretty sick so it is. It's like something you'd see on that god awful discovery channel programme "Future Weapons"...

    That show is messed up. Especially how into it the presenter and some of his interviewees are. Its just weird how he gets off on new ways to kill people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭A-Trak


    What's wrong with debating the effectiveness of weapons?

    Personally, I prefer a Death Star.
    Not the Ninja Variety, but the Star Wars variety.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Holy Hand Grenade ftw. Banana Bombs are the business too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Confab wrote: »
    Banana Bombs

    Is that some kind of sex thing ?:confused:


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    I have actually been looking for download links to the older worm games, damn you.

    Call of Duty, everyone is doing it? Nothing beat a lol banana bomb.
    I got it cheap as part of the "sold out" games series awhile ago, Worms 2 and Armageddon

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭sron


    Is that some kind of sex thing ?:confused:

    Yeah. They result from agitated worms.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    benwavner wrote: »
    As Im sure you know, cluster bombs are designed to kill and maim enemy targets, however, these bomblets usually wait around for years, sometimes decades before they become effective, usually maiming or killing civillians.

    Actually, they tend to come with impact fuses.
    They can be deployed in many variations. In thoery, if you knew the axis of advance from an enemy threat, you could use the cluster bomb as a defensive weapon. These bomblets can also be used as flank protection. These are just 2 obvious instances.

    You're mistaking cluster munitions for scatterable mines such as FASCAM.
    For immediate enemy kills on a large scale, I would not consider cluster bombs to be immediately effective on the battlefield.

    They are very effective when dropped on/about a target.
    But using them in high density civilian urban areas like the US have in Iraq and Afghanistan IMO is nothing short of war crime as it's an "indiscriminate" weapon

    Legally, there is no greater prohibition on their use in urban areas than there is on any other form of munition.

    They do have their uses, for example, they have an ability to engage exposed area targets without destroying half the city block by their blast. The biggest problem with 'residual' munitions is when they land on something soft like snow, and fail to detonate the impact fuse, which is actually less of a problem in cities as they tend to be filled with hard things like buildings and streets.

    NTM


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