Cluster Bombs

bobblepuzzle

Hi Guys,

I was wondering what your take is on using such weapons... Everyone knows that war is hell, and people die, but I would like to see your opinion on the effectiveness of such weapons on the battlefield... personally I think they are very effective.

GLaDOS

They were aweomse in the early versions of Worms, but I felt they reduced their effectiveness in later versions.

rubensni

I think they are barbaric and should be banned. The cost of cleaning them up is outrageous and children are attracted to the bomblets.

bobblepuzzle

rubensni wrote: »

I think they are barbaric and should be banned. The cost of cleaning them up is outrageous and children are attracted to the bomblets.

Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?

ball

Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I was wondering what your take is on using such weapons... Everyone knows that war is hell, and people die, but I would like to see your opinion on the effectiveness of such weapons on the battlefield... personally I think they are very effective.

I'm sure they kill a lot of people.
Why not bring out another A-bomb?

Captain Chaos

rubensni wrote: »

I think they are barbaric and should be banned. The cost of cleaning them up is outrageous and children are attracted to the bomblets.

The old ones that dropped mines are being banned and phased out. It's mainly the SFW smart cluster bombs that are deployed now. If any bomblets are left over un-exploded is unintended but it is the failure rate of the bomblets.

Some of the SFWs WCMDs for anti armor uses are very impressive in their ability to target vehicles exactly.

starbelgrade

Can you get a Cluster Bomb from eating too many cereals?

Sheeps

Battlefield Bad Company 2 Owns

rubensni

Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »

Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?

What has that to do with anything? Does one have to have been in Hiroshima when the bomb fell to have an opinion on whether nuclear weapons are acceptable?

Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

AlmightyCushion

rubensni wrote: »

children are attracted to the bomblets.

That explains why Gary Glitter spent so much time in vietnam.

Sheeps

rubensni wrote: »

Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development

What, in oppose to those other bombs that promote and aid economic and social development?

Sheeps

Cluster bombs own the shit out of everything, therefore they are ownage.

spudmonkey17

Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »

Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?

Ah the "have you ever been in a war zone? no? then you don't know what you're talking about" approach. Reminds me of an Ed Byrne sketch about parents...

You asked for peoples opinions on the matter. He gave you his. Simple as that. If you wanted to discuss your points with experts on the subject of cluster bombs then p*ss off to another forum. God knows why this sh1t is allowed in AH in the first place...

Sheeps

spudmonkey17 wrote: »

Ah the "have you ever been in a war zone? no? then you don't know what you're talking about" approach. Reminds me of an Ed Byrne sketch about parents...

You asked for peoples opinions on the matter. He gave you his. Simple as that. If you wanted to discuss your points with experts on the subject of cluster bombs then p*ss off to another forum. God knows why this sh1t is allowed in AH in the first place...

Quit getting mad at an internet message board.

spudmonkey17

Sheeps wrote: »

Quit getting mad at an internet message board.

I've counted to 10 and I'm good now :pac:.
And I could never be mad at boards! :eek:
Just the odd muppet that frequents it

KevinVonSpiel

To all those who 'personally think cluster bombs are very effective', I fart in your general direction.

starbelgrade

Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »

Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?

Says the keyboard warrior.

Sheeps

Tar.Aldarionftwftw

starbelgrade

Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »

Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?

Stats show that Mr. Tar Aldarion spends most of his time over on the games forum, notably posting about "Battlefield". I'd say the closest he's got to a war zone was by leaning up to the screen on his PC.

partyatmygaff

starbelgrade wrote: »

Stats show that Mr. Tar Aldarion spends most of his time over on the games forum, notably posting about "Battlefield". I'd say the closest he's got to a war zone was by leaning up to the screen on his PC.

Setting the sound setting to "War tapes" makes it that bit more real you know.

That's a bit like asking a soldier "What's your Kill/Death ratio"?

:pac:

Tar.Aldarion

Please please, it's Mr. Tar.Aldarionftw, starbelgrade.

starbelgrade

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Please please, it's Mr. Tar.Aldarionftw, starbelgrade.

Whatever. The closest you've ever got to a cluster was a box of Nestle cereals.

spudmonkey17

starbelgrade wrote: »

Whatever. The closest you've ever got to a cluster was a box of Nestle cereals.

Um, take a closer look at the usernames

starbelgrade

spudmonkey17 wrote: »

Um, take a closer look at the usernames

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strobe

starbelgrade wrote: »

?

take your time.

El Siglo

In fairness I don't think these chaps would be too happy with cluster bombs.

The_Minister

rubensni wrote: »

I think they are barbaric and should be banned. The cost of cleaning them up is outrageous and children are attracted to the bomblets.

'Bomblet' is the most deceptively cute word I've ever heard.

starbelgrade

The_Minister wrote: »

'Bomblet' is the most deceptively cute word I've ever heard.

Sounds like small hot chick with nice boobs.

The_Minister

starbelgrade wrote: »

Sounds like small hot chick with nice boobs.

Brilliant.

We need a Boards.ie dictionary.

Son Of A Vidic

The_Minister wrote: »

'Bomblet' is the most deceptively cute word I've ever heard.

It's a petable, lovable young bombling for sure.

Give me a good few scoops of Guinness, mixed nicely with a tasty curry and I'll show you 'real' cluster bombs the morning after.

spudmonkey17

The_Minister wrote: »

'Bomblet' is the most deceptively cute word I've ever heard.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/karlericg/bob_bomb.jpg

starbelgrade wrote: »

?

Still nothing? Oh ok then, Tar.Aldarion ≠ Tar.Aldarionftw

starbelgrade

spudmonkey17 wrote: »

Still nothing? Oh ok then, Tar.Aldarion ≠ Tar.Aldarionftw

No - my usual language is english, not riddle-me-nerd-speak.

The_Minister

starbelgrade wrote: »

No - my usual language is english, not riddle-me-nerd-speak.

Think back to your Junior/Leaving Cert.
That symbol means 'not equal to'.

He believes that you have confused the OP (a newb), with Boards' favourite portrait of androgyny.

spudmonkey17

starbelgrade wrote: »

No - my usual language is english, not riddle-me-nerd-speak.

"Tar.Aldarion" AND "Tar.Aldarionftw" ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT "Tar.Aldarion" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS "Tar.Aldarionftw" BUT YOU FAILED TO NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF THE "ftw" SUFFIX AT THE END OF HIS USERNAME, HENCE THE CONFUSION.

SORRY TO SHOU- *ahem* sorry to shout but I felt the situation warranted the clarity :pac:

Capt'n Midnight

Depends on what the target is.

Fuel Air Explosives might be better on some targets. Or napalm on others.

Precision guided munitions are far better if you want to target a single target or you need the punch to take out a bridge.

It's horses for courses really.


Bonus points if you use cluster bombs with plastic shrapnel. Since the shrapnel doesn't show on X-rays you will burden the health service in the target country for years.

Tar.Aldarion

Did somebody say ambiguous sexuality, hai guise :pac:

El Siglo

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Depends on what the target is.

Fuel Air Explosives might be better on some targets. Or napalm on others.

Precision guided munitions are far better if you want to target a single target or you need the punch to take out a bridge.

It's horses for courses really.


Bonus points if you use cluster bombs with plastic shrapnel. Since the shrapnel doesn't show on X-rays you will burden the health service in the target country for years.

That's pretty sick so it is. It's like something you'd see on that god awful discovery channel programme "Future Weapons"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-V7787T1DM

starbelgrade

spudmonkey17 wrote: »

"Tar.Aldarion" AND "Tar.Aldarionftw" ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT "Tar.Aldarion" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS "Tar.Aldarionftw" BUT YOU FAILED TO NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF THE "ftw" SUFFIX AT THE END OF HIS USERNAME, HENCE THE CONFUSION.

SORRY TO SHOU- *ahem* sorry to shout but I felt the situation warranted the clarity :pac:

Do you have an e-mail address for Tard Aldrion where I can adress my personal comments to?

Manic Moran

Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

They also have immediate effects which, at the time of use, are unable to be matched by any other weapon system.

Take, for example, the Yugoslav breakup. The Srebenicze massacre undoubtedly did all the of the above listed long-term effects. The Dutch troops guarding the place elected not to make a fight of it, had they decided to do so, air support would have been fundamental in their defence of the town, and cluster munitions fundamental in their support because of what they do. Most notably, they have great effect on area targets without the infrastructure destruction caused by unitary munitions. They have particularly great effect on groups of vehicles.

There's no such thing as a war which doesn't have all sorts of negative long-term effects, not least on the dead and their families. That's sortof why wars are generally best avoided to begin with. Focusing on what you're allowed to use once one starts sortof misses the point.

The recent protocol on prohibiting cluster munitions (signed generally only by countries who aren't likely to need them any time soon) was pretty much silly. For example, it mandates that munitions fired must have a maximum of seven bomblets, all of which have self-destruct timers on them. The current generation munitions in US service have lots of bomblets, all of which have self-destruct timers on them. So all they need to do (were they willing to sign up) is just fire four or five rounds where one would have done, and you end up with exactly the same long-term effect on the ground, and less effect militarily. Where's the logic in this? Great PR to be sure, but utterly daft.

NTM

Sod'o swords

Can't remember it off hand, or find it on teh interwebs, but i think the figures for cluster bombs not detonating are fairly high, for that reason, they arn't the best way of avoiding collateral damage, but i think as said above, OP's just a Battlefield fan......which doesn't even have cluster bombs, n00b.

ScienceNerd

ScienceNerd wrote: »

They were aweomse in the early versions of Worms, but I felt they reduced their effectiveness in later versions.

I have actually been looking for download links to the older worm games, damn you.

Call of Duty, everyone is doing it? Nothing beat a lol banana bomb.

Bonito

ScienceNerd wrote: »

They were aweomse in the early versions of Worms, but I felt they reduced their effectiveness in later versions.

Pffft, Worms? :cool:

Xluna

Nothing beats the BFG.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bfg_9000.png

Capt'n Midnight

El Siglo wrote: »

That's pretty sick so it is.

Of course it is. But it happens.

ReacherCreature

rubensni wrote: »

Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

To make a long argument short, so does war, not just cluster bombs.

Having this topic in After Hours isn't going to discuss the topic properly, the Military forum might be apt.

RMD

Depends on there use. For taking out a convoy of vehicles in a low populated area or destroying something large like an airfield, they're unbeatable.

But using them in high density civilian urban areas like the US have in Iraq and Afghanistan IMO is nothing short of war crime as it's an "indiscriminate" weapon. The amount of maimed civilians in these countries is sickening, all as a result of cluster bomb use.

Wossack

has taken alot of restraint to not make an alt called starbelgradeftw

bobblepuzzle

rubensni wrote: »

What has that to do with anything? Does one have to have been in Hiroshima when the bomb fell to have an opinion on whether nuclear weapons are acceptable?

Cluster bombs obstruct economic and social development, impede post-conflict rehabilitation and reconstruction, delay the return of refugees, negatively impact on national and international peace-building and humanitarian assistance efforts, and have other severe consequences that can persist for many years after use.

I was slightly intoxicated when posting on this thread

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Holy Moses, I cant believe this thread has not been closed.

Debating how effective a weapon is on the battlefield.

Hows about "how effective is a banana at keeping you feeling full?"

As Im sure you know, cluster bombs are designed to kill and maim enemy targets, however, these bomblets usually wait around for years, sometimes decades before they become effective, usually maiming or killing civillians.

They can be deployed in many variations. In thoery, if you knew the axis of advance from an enemy threat, you could use the cluster bomb as a defensive weapon. These bomblets can also be used as flank protection. These are just 2 obvious instances.

The applications above may not be immediately effective.

For immediate enemy kills on a large scale, I would not consider cluster bombs to be immediately effective on the battlefield.

Unless,

They are airdropped in a dense hostile held urban area, then, yes id imagine they would be very effective. Especially if many of them are disguised as shiney curios or kids fluffy toys. Anything people think is valuable or stealable and will pick up...

..BOOM!!, no hands + no face = effective weapon on the battlefield.

Herb Powell

Tar.Aldarionftw wrote: »

Yes, the simple minded approach again... can I ask you sir, have you ever been in a war zone?

Well it's bullsh!t that's all I know.

bobblepuzzle

benwavner wrote: »

Holy Moses, I cant believe this thread has not been closed.

Debating how effective a weapon is on the battlefield.

What's wrong with debating the effectiveness of weapons?