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DTT Commercial Multiplexes (was OneVision, Boxer etc...)

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  • #1142
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    rpm1966 wrote: »
    When you say "nearly gets there", does that mean it does UK Freeview with FreeSat but wouldn't handle MPEG 4 Irish DTT? I suspect that a UK sourced Panasonic TXL37G10 will do the same.

    As I understand it, it will receive Freesat if you set the country to UK, otherwise it is a FTA satellite TV. If you set it to Ireland it will receive DTT.
    Set to UK, the Irish channels go to the 800's. Not sure about the EPG effects, but I do not think they are integrated.

    So nearly gets there.:)


  • #1143
    BoredNaMoaner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭BoredNaMoaner


    I am just wondering whether Sky would start proceedings against EasyTV if they were awarded the DTT licence. Seems to me to be unfair competition for the State Broadcaster to be involved in pay DTT at all. Surely there would be a sympathetic ear in Europe if not in the Irish courts. The system of awarding the licence seems to be less than robust if the next step is trawling through the courts.


  • #1144
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    BoredNaMoaner wrote: »
    I am just wondering whether Sky would start proceedings against EasyTV if they were awarded the DTT licence. Seems to me to be unfair competition for the State Broadcaster to be involved in pay DTT at all.

    Why would they? They are a UK licensed and regulated satellite broadcaster who did not submit an application to the BCI to operate the three commercial multiplexes.

    Sweden's state owned terrestrial network operator Teracom, for example, operates the pay DTT services in Sweden, Finland and Denmark. They also got their chance to do the same here with Boxer.


  • #1145
    carrolls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭carrolls


    BoredNaMoaner wrote: »
    I am just wondering whether Sky would start proceedings against EasyTV if they were awarded the DTT licence. Seems to me to be unfair competition for the State Broadcaster to be involved in pay DTT at all. Surely there would be a sympathetic ear in Europe if not in the Irish courts. The system of awarding the licence seems to be less than robust if the next step is trawling through the courts.
    Sky cannot have it both ways. They dodged BAI regulation a couple of years ago citing EU trade cooperation between member states, and I commend them for doing so, but they can't then complain that EasyTV is unfair competition.
    If EasyTV complained that Sky were unfair competition because they are not regulated by the BAI, there is nothing any court in this country could do about it.


  • #1146
    BoredNaMoaner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭BoredNaMoaner


    I see. Then if that is the case then that would also suggest that there could be no state sanction against Sky if it chose to offer a lower priced package for a limited time to kill off the successful DTT bidder. Or am I wrong again?


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  • #1147
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    BoredNaMoaner wrote: »
    I see. Then if that is the case then that would also suggest that there could be no state sanction against Sky if it chose to offer a lower priced package for a limited time to kill off the successful DTT bidder. Or am I wrong again?

    That would be a commercial matter for Sky, nothing to do with with the state. They could even offer a free package.


  • #1148
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    BoredNaMoaner wrote: »
    I see. Then if that is the case then that would also suggest that there could be no state sanction against Sky if it chose to offer a lower priced package for a limited time to kill off the successful DTT bidder. Or am I wrong again?

    Of course not. That is the beauty of competition. I doubt DTT will have that level of impact but it would be very good for consumers if it did.


  • #1149
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    BoredNaMoaner wrote: »
    I see. Then if that is the case then that would also suggest that there could be no state sanction against Sky if it chose to offer a lower priced package for a limited time to kill off the successful DTT bidder. Or am I wrong again?

    Well, if EasyTV gets the gig, UPC would not be interested in killing the project, and $ky have not tried to kill UPC so far. If the masses cancel $ky in their droves and migrate to DTT, then we might see some reaction.

    What is more likely, EASYTV will try to push up its prices closer to the €20 mark, and die a death that way.

    $ky has to face a major competition from Freesat as all anyone has to do is get a Freesat box and plug it into the cable that used to go to the $kybox. For many, DTT will allow a very simple aerial to be used for RTE etc. Once the word is out, many will migrate. If sports coverage is not needed, huge savings can be made. If EasyTV can get a sports package together to compete with the satellite service, then who knows.

    When will we hear that Onevision have actually gone?


  • #1150
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    When will we hear that Onevision have actually gone?

    OneVision were to have submitted their comments on Isolde Goggin's report to the BAI by today. I assume the BAI board meeting is next Monday (last Mon of the month), so we should hear something early next week.


  • #1151
    endakenny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭endakenny


    carrolls wrote: »
    Sky cannot have it both ways. They dodged BAI regulation a couple of years ago citing EU trade cooperation between member states...

    On what grounds did Sky dodge BAI regulation? Is it anything to do with charging a subscription for RTÉ, TV3 and TG4?


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  • #1152
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    endakenny wrote: »
    On what grounds did Sky dodge BAI regulation? Is it anything to do with charging a subscription for RTÉ, TV3 and TG4?

    They are regulated by OfCom in the UK, and dodge BAI regulation because of the EU's TVWF (now AV Directive). It has nothing to do with their bonus package.

    We have spoken at length about a FTV card for ROI subscribers to Sky which many state would be too costly for RTÉ, TV3 and TG4. And at length about FTA sat for the Irish Channels.


  • #1153
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    endakenny wrote: »
    On what grounds did Sky dodge BAI regulation? Is it anything to do with charging a subscription for RTÉ, TV3 and TG4?

    Without wishing to change the topic of this thread, there is a very good reason why satellite broadcasters should only be regulated in their state of origin. If they were to be regulated in their state of reception, it would mean the end of free to air satellite broadcasting in Europe, as they would have to ensure they complied with the regulations of every single country they could concievably be recieved in. With 27 EU states this is a very tall order.

    I wouldn't agree that UPC would not be in favour of seeing Easy TV fail. Easy TV can only canablise UPC's existing platforms and it may be that they only bid for the licence with the intent of keeping a potential competitor out.


  • #1154
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    icdg wrote: »
    I wouldn't agree that UPC would not be in favour of seeing Easy TV fail. Easy TV can only canablise UPC's existing platforms and it may be that they only bid for the licence with the intent of keeping a potential competitor out.

    That is unlikely as UPC would broaden its reach with DTT, they already have the channels on board, and MMDS is a poor technology, particularly the analogue version, while DTT is a cheaper technology, with the viewer taking most of the costs. Spectrum will have to be given up in the MMDS band, so DTT answers a number of their future problems. If they could get broadband to work over MMDS, I think they could do well.


  • #1155
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    I suspect we'll hear the results before next week.


  • #1156
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    icdg wrote: »
    Without wishing to change the topic of this thread, there is a very good reason why satellite broadcasters should only be regulated in their state of origin. If they were to be regulated in their state of reception, it would mean the end of free to air satellite broadcasting in Europe, as they would have to ensure they complied with the regulations of every single country they could concievably be recieved in. With 27 EU states this is a very tall order.

    The last time the state tried to regulate Sky was in the early 2000's when Comregs' General Authorisations replaced licences (cable tv etc). Sky's response to that consultation is attached.

    The Government and Dermot Ahern during Ireland's Presidency of the EU Council in early 2004 finally gave up when they could not convince the majority of states and the EU Commission to change the TvWF Directive.


  • #1157
    deanh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭deanh


    Surely, if a company recieves subscription revenue in a country they should be subject to some regulation there. Its obsene that for the amount of revenue that Sky make here that they are not subject to some Irish regulations.


  • #1158
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    deanh wrote: »
    Surely, if a company recieves subscription revenue in a country they should be subject to some regulation there. Its obsene that for the amount of revenue that Sky make here that they are not subject to some Irish regulations.

    The new directive does suggest that audiences can complain to their national regulator who can then complain to the other nations regulator on behalf of the audience. I assume that ComReg or the BAI can ask that some rules be pressed on Skys EPG for Irish Audience however ultimately it would be up to OfCom to implement them. Sky have in away suppressed such regulation by putting the 4 PSBs from 101 - 104 and even putting 3E on 105 (even if it isn't part of the "bonus pack"). The Bonus Pack really is there to prevent the BAI/ComReg getting any serious ideas. IMO.

    Many EU countries have similar problems for example Sweden is very strict on Children's advertising so its TV3 broadcasts out of the UK to prevent Swedish Regulation. (I am not sure if this is still the case). OTT.


  • #1159
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Atlantic 252 anybody ??? Who hosted that Trojan ??


  • #1160
    rabbitsears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭rabbitsears


    Atlantic 252 was regulated by the RTÉ Authority as it was officially an RTÉ service, albeit mostly owned by RTL before the end. TeamTalk 252 was also regulated by the RTÉ Authority.


  • #1161
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Who would have thought that I should have put the YEAR of the date on this thread?

    Yesterday was supposed to be the really final deadline for Onevison.

    I see nothing on BAI site.

    Pigs will fly past an ice skating Lucifer if Liberity Global + RTE launch PAY DTT and it ever makes money. (Easy TV is last on the list)


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  • #1162
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    watty wrote: »
    Who would have thought that I should have put the YEAR of the date on this thread?

    Yesterday was supposed to be the really final deadline for Onevison.

    I see nothing on BAI site.

    Yesterday was the final day for OneVision to submit comments on Isolde Goggin's report to the BAI. The only way we would hear anything this week is if OneVision had formally withdrawn from the process.

    Next Monday the BAI board will probably meet for their monthly meeting and OneVisions' comments on the report will be discussed and possibly a decision made. So we should expect to hear something early next week.


  • #1163
    endakenny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭endakenny


    Elmo wrote: »
    Sky have in away suppressed such regulation by putting the 4 PSBs from 101 - 104....

    RTÉ is the national public service broadcaster. Therefore, I do not see why any household in the Republic that has a working aerial would not be able to receive it. Therefore, there should be no need to get Sky in order to watch RTÉ.


  • #1164
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Apogee


    endakenny wrote: »
    RTÉ is the national public service broadcaster. Therefore, I do not see why any household in the Republic that has a working aerial would not be able to receive it. Therefore, there should be no need to get Sky in order to watch RTÉ.

    Not even RTÉ claim to have 100% terrestrial coverage - and their statistics are optimistic to say the least.


  • #1165
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    endakenny wrote: »
    RTÉ is the national public service broadcaster. Therefore, I do not see why any household in the Republic that has a working aerial would not be able to receive it. Therefore, there should be no need to get Sky in order to watch RTÉ.

    Lets just remove RTÉ 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 from Sky Digital. Since everyone can get it why not remove it on UPC as Well. Why should cable companies have to carry the 4 Irish channels?

    There is no need to get Sky to watch RTÉ unless you want a better reception.


  • #1166
    rabbitsears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭rabbitsears


    So Elmo, do you see Sky being the platform for "foreign" telly and DTT being the platform for "home" telly?

    Adds: Sky is currently the only way many in rural Ireland can actually watch TV3...


  • #1167
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    rabbitsears wrote: »
    Adds: Sky is currently the only way many in rural Ireland can actually watch TV3...

    That is an issue to be taken up with TV3. They have been allocated Tx positions but have refused to (pay) to take them up. Equaly, they do not contribute to the cost of the trials.

    TV3 contribute very little to Irish broadcasting. In terms of (prime-time) content hours, in terms of jobs, in terms of quality, in terms of journalism, in terms of production values, etc. etc. etc. etc.. They still broadcast in 4:3 format fgs.

    3e is a cable channel and contribute nothing.


  • #1168
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    rabbitsears wrote: »
    ... Sky being the platform for "foreign" telly and DTT being the platform for "home" telly?

    That would be an accurate description.


  • #1169
    d8player
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭d8player


    Elmo wrote: »
    Lets just remove RTÉ 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 from Sky Digital. Since everyone can get it why not remove it on UPC as Well. Why should cable companies have to carry the 4 Irish channels?

    There is no need to get Sky to watch RTÉ unless you want a better reception.

    Large numbers of people in cities don't have TV aerials so taking the Irish channels off UPC or Sky would force extra expense on them.


  • #1170
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    d8player wrote: »
    Large numbers of people in cities don't have TV aerials so taking the Irish channels off UPC or Sky would force extra expense on them.

    No, 60% of people will be able to receive DTT on rabitears. In other words, almost any aerial will do.


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  • #1171
    rabbitsears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭rabbitsears


    Leaving the remaining 40% without Irish TV. Smart idea alright.


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