Vegetarian problems

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 20-04-2010 02:21AM

gamgsam wrote: »

Haha and what about meat eaters? If I went out and killed a cow in a field I'd be locked up. But sit down and have it served to me and it's grand. Just the way it works.

If you killed a cow in a field it would be someone else property. Kill a rabbit and there's no bother. (Don't kill a swan though)

m@cc@ · 20-04-2010 02:21AM

recylingbin wrote: »

collies are used to get cows in at milking time all over the country.
Not 'technically' hunting, but in the ballpark.

In the ballpark, in the same way as chopping carrots or stabbing someone in the chest.

recylingbin · 20-04-2010 02:22AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

In the ballpark, in the same way as chopping carrots or stabbing someone in the chest.

no.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 20-04-2010 02:24AM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

i know which bit i bagsy :pac:

sort out that foot fetish :rolleyes:

--LOS-- · 20-04-2010 02:24AM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

how does it do more harm? genuinely? i think they're well able for it. in the wild they (cats) eat whole feckin rabbits/birds/mice.

surely it's better for them to eating something a little more healthier than mashed up bones or whatever other crap goes into pet food, esp dogs, they don't eat other animals unlike cats who are natural carnivores.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 20-04-2010 02:26AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

surely it's better for them to eating something a little more healthier than mashed up bones or whatever other crap goes into pet food, esp dogs, they don't eat other animals unlike cats who are natural carnivores.

are dogs not all descended from wolves?

landsleaving · 20-04-2010 02:27AM

recylingbin wrote: »

His head must weigh fifty pounds on its own. Imagine the size of his balls. Imagine getting into a fight with the ****er

Perfumed ponce.

we'llallhavetea_old · 20-04-2010 02:27AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

surely it's better for them to eating something a little more healthier than mashed up bones or whatever other crap goes into pet food, esp dogs, they don't eat other animals unlike cats who are natural carnivores.

well i dunno, thats why i asked you?

it may seem nicer to us yes, but they're meant to eat filthy disgusting mashed up bones! sure the cats chew through fur and everything.

and come to think of it, dogs probably would too. give a dog the leg of a lamb and you'll see them get rid of it fairly sharpish.

Opium led greed · 20-04-2010 02:28AM

If anyone eats kfc I'd have a search on the internet for how cruel they are to the chickens.

KFC suppliers cram birds into huge waste-filled factories, breed and drug them to grow so large that they can’t even walk, and often break their wings and legs. At slaughter, the birds’ throats are slit and they are dropped into tanks of scalding-hot water—often while they are still conscious. It would be illegal for KFC to abuse dogs, cats, pigs, or cows in these ways.

KFC’s own animal welfare advisors have asked the company to take steps to eliminate these abuses, but KFC refuses to do so. Many advisors have now resigned in frustration.

And the sad part is, this isn't just kfc. Most chicken factories even in Ireland operate similar procedures. It really is horrific stuff when you read about it, and no matter how much people like chicken - no animal deserves that level of pain and torture.

recylingbin · 20-04-2010 02:29AM

landsleaving wrote: »

Perfumed ponce.

I felt sad that noone noticed it.
Now I am happy again.

gamgsam · 20-04-2010 02:29AM

Vincenzo CoolS Spat wrote: »

If you killed a cow in a field it would be someone else property. Kill a rabbit and there's no bother. (Don't kill a swan though)

Aye and if a dog kills a cow it's someone else's property, but a rabbit's grand.

Funny story, I was coxing a rowing boat a few years ago and a swan got shot about 20m from our heads. Stupid fcuker must have been in reeds when he shot, and not seen the boat!

m@cc@ · 20-04-2010 02:31AM

gamgsam wrote: »

Aye and if a dog kills a cow it's someone else's property, but a rabbit's grand.

Funny story, I was coxing a rowing boat a few years ago and a swan got shot about 20m from our heads. Stupid fcuker must have been in reeds when he shot, and not seen the boat!

Why would you shoot a swan?

we'llallhavetea_old · 20-04-2010 02:32AM

Opium led greed wrote: »

If anyone eats kfc I'd have a search on the internet for how cruel they are to the chickens.

And the sad part is, this isn't just kfc. Most chicken factories even in Ireland operate similar procedures. It really is horrific stuff when you read about it, and no matter how much people like chicken - no animal deserves that level of pain and torture.

kfc are horrendous, i will not eat out of there, poor feckin chickens

m@cc@ · 20-04-2010 02:33AM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

kfc are horrendous, i will not eat out of there, poor feckin chickens

Unless you're raising the chickens yourself, there's no guarantee of the conditions they're living in.

entropi · 20-04-2010 02:33AM

yerayeah wrote: »

Why, oh why would you not eat meat?:eek: Genuinely, any vegetarians here, why?

Another one here yes, been veggie for just over 3 years now and totally happy that I made that choice. Never ate much meat throughout my life, only tasted chicken and steak once and that was in my early twenties, no point in saying I was a meat eater, when clearly I was not.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Vegetarians get a tough press.

I'm not a vegan or anything but I would like to be.

I eat in a Vegan restaurant when in town though, have done since I was 16.

Love the place.

There are many happy vegans, living quite happily and healthily without meat.

We do get a bad press, because we choose to not follow a social norm like most sheeple expect:pac: Are you by any chance talking about Govindas or Cornucopia there? omnomnomnomnom!!:D

recylingbin wrote: »

And they're not happy. That would be illogical.

How would you know this exactly? I know many happy vegans:)

bronte wrote: »

Well I was brought up eating meat, and when I was 9 I decided it wasn't for me anymore. My parents were naturally concerned, but respected my wishes and I'm grateful for that.
Never did me any disservice.
I'm the member of my family who never really gets sick at all.

Pretty much the same for me, except I transitioned to veggie ages 26, I rarely get anything more than a blemish on my face from eating a bit more fatty food like muttar paneer:D

I will admit that the smell of crispy bacon does funny things to me still, but no! Willpower!

You should totally go find those "Cheatin' Rashers" they sell in frozen ailes in some supermarkets and health food stores then

--LOS-- · 20-04-2010 02:34AM

gamgsam wrote: »

Haha and what about meat eaters? If I went out and killed a cow in a field I'd be locked up. But sit down and have it served to me and it's grand. Just the way it works.

not the way it works for me, people have the choice to eat meat or not, if a dog is being fed meat, as they all are, then goes out to naturally hunt that animal and eat it, it's killed for that.

gamgsam · 20-04-2010 02:36AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Why would you shoot a swan?

To eat. Ask your local butcher how much he'd get for a swan there, you'll get a nice suprise (provided you know the secret handshake). It's not worth shooting a swan for food in my opinion, illegal or not, but it still happens unfortunately.

recylingbin · 20-04-2010 02:37AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

surely it's better for them to eating something a little more healthier than mashed up bones or whatever other crap goes into pet food, esp dogs, they don't eat other animals unlike cats who are natural carnivores.

mashed up bones contain bone marrow. Probably the single most nutricious(sp?) thing in the body of any animal.

--LOS-- · 20-04-2010 02:41AM

Master of Nothing wrote: »

We do get a bad press, because we choose to not follow a social norm like most sheeple expect:pac: Are you by any chance talking about Govindas or Cornucopia there? omnomnomnomnom!!:D

mmmm Govindas.......

"what would you like?"

"bit of everything please"

Master of Nothing wrote: »

You should totally go find those "Cheatin' Rashers" they sell in frozen ailes in some supermarkets and health food stores then

thumbs down for those.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 20-04-2010 02:44AM

Vegan here, I feed my pets normal pet food, I'm not really in it for moral reasons though so I don't matter

--LOS-- · 20-04-2010 02:44AM

recylingbin wrote: »

mashed up bones contain bone marrow. Probably the single most nutricious(sp?) thing in the body of any animal.

you're not gona convince me that crap in a tin is nutritious

bronte · 20-04-2010 02:44AM

Master of Nothing wrote: »

You should totally go find those "Cheatin' Rashers" they sell in frozen ailes in some supermarkets and health food stores then

I know what I'm doing in the morning!! :pac::pac:

gamgsam · 20-04-2010 02:45AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

not the way it works for me, people have the choice to eat meat or not, if a dog is being fed meat, as they all are, then goes out to naturally hunt that animal and eat it, it's killed for that.

I could be completely foolhardy in thinking this, but it has worked so far with mine... A dog will only get the kill urge if he is fed red meat. As long as the meat is cooked, you don't have to worry about the kill switch being flicked.

I once heard about a labrador who was fed dog nuts for 3 years, and suddenly went on an unprovoked killing spree. I don't know if the story is true,that's very unlikely actually. Maybe he got into a pack and learned it from there.

gamgsam · 20-04-2010 02:47AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'd go on a killing spree if I was fed scrot for 3 years.

Hahaha brilliant!

--LOS-- · 20-04-2010 02:50AM

gamgsam wrote: »

I could be completely foolhardy in thinking this, but it has worked so far with mine... A dog will only get the kill urge if he is fed red meat. As long as the meat is cooked, you don't have to worry about the kill switch being flicked.

as opposed to eh brown meat?

gamgsam wrote: »

I once heard about a labrador who was fed dog nuts for 3 years, and suddenly went on an unprovoked killing spree. I don't know if the story is true,that's very unlikely actually. Maybe he got into a pack and learned it from there.

got in with the wrong crowd eh?

m@cc@ · 20-04-2010 02:50AM

gamgsam wrote: »

Hahaha brilliant!

Dammit, I deleted it in case it was in bad taste, a bit like scrot.

entropi · 20-04-2010 02:53AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

mmmm Govindas.......

"what would you like?"

"bit of everything please"

Small plate with everything on it? yes please!

thumbs down for those.

Oh I dont eat meat replacement food and would agree with you, just pointing it out for bronte

bronte wrote: »

I know what I'm doing in the morning!! :pac::pac:

You go find them woman, I really hope you do they will cheer you up to no end

gamgsam · 20-04-2010 02:53AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

as opposed to eh brown meat?

Hmm I always assumed red meat was uncooked meat! I'm wrong aren't I?!
I meant cooked and uncooked anyway!

--LOS-- · 20-04-2010 02:55AM

gamgsam wrote: »

Hmm I always assumed red meat was uncooked meat! I'm wrong aren't I?!
I meant cooked and uncooked anyway!

Ah I know what you meant, I just view meat either red or white

OutlawPete · 20-04-2010 03:00AM

yerayeah wrote: »

The way you have it worded it seems like eating meat is a risk factor for getting b12 deficiency compared to being a vegetarian which is possible I suppose but I doubt that it's really that significant if it is true.

Meat eaters eat a far worse diet, what with burgers etc

Look at America, they eat more meat per person than anywhere else in the world yet they are in worst health according to WHO.

It's not that eating meat causes B12 Deficiency, just that Vegetarians tend to eat better overall.

They would eat more salads, fruits and vegetables compared to meat eaters for instance.

I have dozens of books on diet so would have to look up em up for studies.

A quick Google will put up studies to support any theory regarding B12 that you want though.

Guess everyone chooses the one that supports their side of course.

Always been the way on this issue.

Interestingly, there is actually a Raw Vegan Tribe still living ..

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2005/01/07/stories/2005010700080200.htm

There are about 1,000 descendants of the Aryan tribes and they live scattered around Gilgit, Hunza, Kargil and Leh.

Being nature worshippers, they celebrate the Bononah (nature) festival and are strict vegans, which means they are not only strictly vegetarian but also don't consume milk or milk products. This minuscule community bars both men and women from marrying non-Aryans, and polygamy and polyandry is common.

Couples who do not conceive are free to choose other partners to give them a better chance of producing an offspring. Nearly 80 per cent of them marry in their own villages, while 20 per cent marry from neighbouring villages.

We shared a meal that consisted of jo (barley) roti baked in an earthern oven, lettuce leaves, roasted potato, spring onion, boiled cauliflower and wild mint. Women cooked in an open hearth, burning fallen twig collected from the trees in their courtyard.

There is a strict taboo against tree felling. The simple meal was fresh and extremely tasty.

The following week the trek continued into the villages of Baldes, Samit, Garkun, Darchik and Hanu.

The few thousand Brok-pa Aryans have over 5,000 years lived in these hostile terrain at 15,000 ft altitude, subsisting on a vegan diet.

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