Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

You think your job is bad? Try working for Microsoft in China!

  • 19-04-2010 12:12AM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭


    You think your job is bad? Try working for Microsoft in China!
    ...and count your blessings your living in Ireland or anywhere else now!

    Not exactly the face Microsoft want you to know about or see - or China's government for that matter.
    China's Youth Meet Microsoft
    KYE Factory in China Produces for Microsoft and other U.S. Companies

    "We are like prisoners... We do not have a life. Only work."
    -
    Teenaged Microsoft Worker
    • Over the past three years, unprecedented photographs of exhausted teenaged workers, toiling and slumping asleep on their assembly line during break time, have been smuggled out of the KYE factory.
    • KYE recruits hundreds-even up to 1,000-"work study students" 16 and 17 years of age, who work 15-hour shifts, six and seven days a week. In 2007 and 2008, dozens of the work study students were reported to be just 14 and 15 years old. A typical shift is from 7:45 a.m. to 10:55 p.m.
    • Along with the work study students-most of whom stay at the factory three months, though some remain six months or longer-KYE prefers to hire women 18 to 25 years of age, since they are easier to discipline and control.
    • In 2007 and 2008, before the worldwide recession, workers were at the factory 97 hours a week while working 80 ½ hours. In 2009, workers report being at the factory 83 hours a week, while working 68 hours.
    • Workers are paid 65 cents an hour, which falls to a take-home wage of 52 cents after deductions for factory food.
    • Workers are prohibited from talking, listening to music or using the bathroom during working hours. As punishment, workers who make mistakes are made to clean the bathrooms.
    • Security guards sexually harass the young women.
    • Fourteen workers share each primitive dorm room, sleeping on narrow double-level bunk beds. To "shower," workers fetch hot water in a small plastic bucket to take a sponge bath. Workers describe factory food as awful.
    • Not only are the hours long, but the work pace is grueling as workers race frantically to complete their mandatory goal of 2,000 Microsoft mice per shift. During the long summer months when factory temperatures routinely reach 86 degrees, workers are drenched in sweat.
    • There is no freedom of movement and workers can only leave the factory compound during regulated hours.
    • The workers have no rights, as every single labor law in China is violated. Microsoft's and other companies' codes of conduct have zero impact.
    Long article so if you can't be bothered, best to leave now and live in unknowing bliss.

    http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0034&t=1

    Download PDF version: http://www.nlcnet.org/admin/reports/files/Chinas_Youth_Meet_Micro.pdf


«13

Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Jesus!
    A absolute disgrace, typical greedy US companies. I worked for <snip -- removed company name> ,
    a disgusting disgusting bunch - they'd sell poison to kids if they could
    get away with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭tipperaryboy


    That really is terrible.Gates profit before people..being one of the worlds richest why can't he pay employees a decent wage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    I call shenanigans.

    apple propaganda, me thinks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Which is nicer...teenaged or beechwood aged?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Don't go blaming Gates for everything. I highy doubt he has that much control over an outsourced manufacturing company in China. His company should look in to their manufacturing partners though.


  • Advertisement
  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    nummnutts wrote: »
    I call shenanigans.

    apple propaganda, me thinks.

    Think again nummnutts!
    The National Labour Committee is run by Apple!
    - I don't think so nummnutts!

    http://www.nlcnet.org/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    I had to work through lunch in sandyford a few years back.
    Me and the chinese are as one.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Don't go blaming Gates for everything. I highy doubt he has that much control over an outsourced manufacturing company in China. His company should look in to their manufacturing partners though.
    Exactly - he probably isn't aware of every arm of outsourcing, particularly since he's taken a step back from the day-to-day running of Microsoft. Let's give him some credit - he's been pretty decent with his earnings, being one of the all time biggest philanthropists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Well he has to make as much money as he can. China have an OS they're waiting to blitz the market with. It's so brilliant that the only processors suitable for it are not affordable yet. When they are it'll be bye bye Bill. :cool:

    I'll have a root around for a link. o/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    Biggins wrote: »
    Think again nummnutts!
    The National Labour Committee is run by Apple!
    - I don't think so nummnutts!

    http://www.nlcnet.org/

    Think again Biggins?
    You really think I'm serious about a conspiracy by apple?
    - I don't think so Biggins.

    http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao


  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Bonito wrote: »
    Well he has to make as much money as he can. China have an OS they're waiting to blitz the market with. It's so brilliant that the only processors suitable for it are not affordable yet. When they are it'll be bye bye Bill. :cool:

    I'll have a root around for a link. o/

    You sure you are not thinking of Vista ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Bonito wrote: »
    Well he has to make as much money as he can. China have an OS they're waiting to blitz the market with. It's so brilliant that the only processors suitable for it are not affordable yet. When they are it'll be bye bye Bill. :cool:

    I'll have a root around for a link. o/
    I'm guessing it's another *nix OS that a handful of people will be insane about amd with a much more sizeable amount of people not caring about.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ixoy wrote: »
    Exactly - he probably isn't aware of every arm of outsourcing, particularly since he's taken a step back from the day-to-day running of Microsoft. Let's give him some credit - he's been pretty decent with his earnings, being one of the all time biggest philanthropists.

    This is true and he has stepped back now to lead a life of further charitable work.
    My point mentioning him is that while he was still at the helm, maybe he and those working for him should have/still be looking at those making him/them rich still.

    I don't think the public image of him as a man of charity sits too well with the exposure of these poor downtrodden workers.
    I suspect with this latest news he might start to lose some sleep - at least till the PR guru's get to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Microsoft probably doesn't know whats going on in that factory.

    Companies outsource work to places in China, and nowadays (after the 'sweat-shop' scandels of the '90s) force the people they contract with to agree to minimum working conditions for workers.

    However, as the lowest bidder gets the contract, and higher wages are expensive, very often they will sign the contract and just bribe the inspectors to give them good reports and say they are complying, so the company doesn't know anything is wrong until the CEO is getting calls about rights abuses.

    Then everyone goes nuts at the 'heartless' corporations, even though they had no idea that the people they had contracted with had committed these crimes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Bonito wrote: »
    Well he has to make as much money as he can. China have an OS they're waiting to blitz the market with. It's so brilliant that the only processors suitable for it are not affordable yet. When they are it'll be bye bye Bill. :cool:

    I'll have a root around for a link. o/
    Here and here.

    Sorry these are old reports but I do remember coming across a new one not so long ago.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Microsoft probably doesn't know whats going on in that factory.

    Every company that carries out Microsoft work is consistently inspected yearly, on more than one basis.
    One company that used to do Microsoft items "KAO Information Systems" (Santry) use to be very regular inspected.
    "KAO" was a good company and looked after its workers - unlike these poor sods in China sadly.

    Microsoft are absolutely strict when it comes to control of the factor floor.
    They set the rules, the deadlines and monitoring.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    They wouldnt be able to get away with it if China didnt let them. But who needs basic human rights eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    After the whole Apple suicide scandal, it's no surprise that Microsoft's suppliers are up to the exact same thing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    After the whole Apple suicide scandal...

    Huh? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    ixoy wrote: »
    Exactly - he probably isn't aware of every arm of outsourcing, particularly since he's taken a step back from the day-to-day running of Microsoft. Let's give him some credit - he's been pretty decent with his earnings, being one of the all time biggest philanthropists.

    Yeah but he's totally rich and stuff. Therefore omnipotent, so knows exactly what everyone attatched to his company has ever done. Scumbag! I say burn him with cigarettes. That'll teach him to make a fortune and give most of it to charity.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Biggins wrote: »
    Not exactly the face Microsoft want you to know about or see - or China's government for that matter.
    I wonder is Bill Gates sleeping well tonight? I'm guessing he is.
    Jay Sherman: I]contemptuous[/I How do you sleep at night?
    Bill Gates: On top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.

    :D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Biggins wrote: »
    Every company that carries out Microsoft work is consistently inspected yearly, on more than one basis.
    One company that used to do Microsoft items "KAO Information Systems" (Santry) use to be very regular inspected.
    "KAO" was a good company and looked after its workers - unlike these poor sods in China sadly.

    Microsoft are absolutely strict when it comes to control of the factor floor.
    They set the rules, the deadlines and monitoring.

    As someone else said, such inspections could easily be subject to corruption. And as this is China almmost certainly are.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/202041.asp
    We were therefore very concerned when we saw a report by the National Labor Committee (NLC) alleging that conditions at a factory operated by KYE in Dongguan, China, were adversely impacting workers. KYE assembles and packages hardware products for Microsoft and a wide range of other companies.

    As a result of this report, we have a team of independent auditors en route to the facility to conduct a complete and thorough investigation. If we find that the factory is not adhering to our standards, we will take appropriate action.

    We should note that as part of Microsoft's ongoing supplier SEA (Social and Environmental Accountability) program, an independent auditor has been inspecting the KYE factory annually. In addition, Microsoft personnel conduct quarterly on-site assessments, and receive weekly reports from KYE on key labor and safety criteria that we monitor as part of our supplier SEA program. Over the past two years, we have required documentation and verification of worker age, and no incidence of child labor has been detected. Worker overtime has been significantly reduced, and worker compensation is in line with the Electronic Industry Citizenship Coalition standards for the Dongguan area.

    Not exactly defending them here as clearly their inspection processes are not up to scratch, but suggesting they were aware and condoning of such behaviour is a fairly wild stretch. Surely Chineese corporate culture is the more guilty party here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    marco_polo wrote: »
    As someone else said, said inspections could easily be subject to corruption.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/202041.asp
    Sadly very true. I agree. :(

    Whats the betting there will be a clean-up operation going on right now before newer inspectors are sent in and any possible suspected descenting staff are given a day off, by coincidence, the day the inspectors arrive.
    ...I'm open to be wrong.
    Many seattlepi.com readers asked, in the comment section of our Tuesday report, whether Microsoft did any regular inspections of the KYE factory, where workers manufacture, among other products for other companies, Microsoft-branded mice and webcams. It seems Microsoft had, at least, been monitoring the working environment there.
    Which raises the question: Is Microsoft OK with the alleged conditions at KYE?
    The official answer, of course, was no. But the real answer?

    Also note from here amid the PR spin:
    ...In addition, Microsoft personnel conduct quarterly on-site assessments...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Biggins wrote: »
    Huh? :confused:

    The company was Foxconn. By all accounts they're employment practices are a lot like KYE. It was a lot like this case. A worker at one of Apple's suppliers lost an iPhone prototype or something, and the company broke into his apartment and tortured him trying to find out if he'd stolen it. He was afraid of another torture session so he killed himself.

    I'd hate to have to work in that kye plant. The bit where they hire young females as they're easily controlled is just sick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    two things

    these are not microsoft employees

    and im sure this is extremely widespread with numerous irish companies probably outsourcing to the same companies

    that dosnt make it right but demonising microsoft over it is ridicolous there are numerous people to blame including the japanese goverment

    also bill gates has a much reduced role in running microsoft and concentrates alot of his time on the foundation and charity he donated 90% of his wealth to so all this big evil corporation head stuff is complete ****e


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Biggins wrote: »
    Sadly very true. I agree. :(

    Whats the betting there will be a clean-up operation going on right now before newer inspectors are sent in and any possible suspected descenting staff are given a day off, by coincidence, the day the inspectors arrive.
    ...I'm open to be wrong.

    Unfortunately I have little doubt that they are very well rehearsed in showing only what they want want to be seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Bonito wrote: »
    Here and here.

    Sorry these are old reports but I do remember coming across a new one not so long ago.

    Ah yes.I hear theyre calling it Nifty Doorways


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    two things
    these are not microsoft employees
    and im sure this is extremely widespread with numerous irish companies probably outsourcing to the same companies...

    I agree but they DO monitor the work places where items are made for them.
    PeakOutput wrote: »
    ...also bill gates has a much reduced role in running microsoft and concentrates alot of his time on the foundation and charity he donated 90% of his wealth to so all this big evil corporation head stuff is complete ****e

    Absolutely 100% correct.
    He still retains a number of roles still though within the company as well as still being its owner.
    JUST from a PR point of view - it don't make him shine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 147 ✭✭DarrenMSP


    Those people don't work for Microsoft :rolleyes:, they work for a factory company called KYE that create products for many Western companies, including Hewlett Packard, Best Buy, Samsung, Foxconn, Acer, Wi/IFC/Logitech, Asus and Microsoft.


    Enough of the Big bad corporation sh*te, how about some focus on the oppressive government which rules the country? It's not like they have a human right record to be proud of. Have you seen any pictures of other Chinese factories? Read some reports, you'll see it's not really much different!


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Most of the points relate to standard practice within the operation; so it kinda reads like 'Security guards sexually harass the young women' is set company policy; like they'd be fired if they weren't assiduous in their sexual harrasment responsibilities.
    Anyway, due to the criminal bail-out of Anglo and the disaster that is Nama, the terms of employment in this country, for those lucky enough to have a job, won't be a million miles from those described here.


Advertisement
Advertisement