The Irish Famine

Denerick · 15-04-2010 12:31PM

mysterious wrote: »

Covers my face with my hands and sings Oh almighty.

You do realise that graph HAS NOTHING to do with the problem of the Irish Famine. This kind of nonsense just really get's to me in this day and age.

The rescources and food suplly was not the problem. Over population was not the problem.

The problem was, it was a holocaust. I just don't care what sort of crap we learn in school cus its crap. I'm sick and tired of this brainwashing and false facts on this issue.

The English created a holocaust. They took our other crops, made us rent the land and over many years they made us TOTALLY dependant on the potato crop.They exported all other crops, and then sent the blight in and wiped out half the country.

It was genocide.

That graph HAS no relevance to this matter whatsoever. The Population of England was rising at the same rate of Ireland at the time.

The English may have created the economic conditions that made famine so destructive to this country, but that is still a long way away from saying they deliberate sought the deaths of a million Irish peasants. You're going to have to transcend emotion if you wish to convince anybody.

P.S- In relation to the bolded bit - Were the British Empire so powerful that they could control the environment, plagues, disease etc. etc. My oh my, I realise it was the Empire on which the sun never set but thats taking the piss!

Undergod · 15-04-2010 01:13PM

mysterious wrote: »

Covers my face with my hands and sings Oh almighty.

You do realise that graph HAS NOTHING to do with the problem of the Irish Famine. This kind of nonsense just really get's to me in this day and age.

The rescources and food suplly was not the problem. Over population was not the problem.

The problem was, it was a holocaust. I just don't care what sort of crap we learn in school cus its crap. I'm sick and tired of this brainwashing and false facts on this issue.

The English created a holocaust. They took our other crops, made us rent the land and over many years they made us TOTALLY dependant on the potato crop.They exported all other crops, and then sent the blight in and wiped out half the country.

It was genocide.

That graph HAS no relevance to this matter whatsoever. The Population of England was rising at the same rate of Ireland at the time.

How did they "send in the blight"?

And what you're saying is the kind of crap that I learned in school.

Denerick · 15-04-2010 01:32PM

Also in relation to the potatoe crop - it has already been stated, but the British did not 'take' our other crops. The British did not force us to acclimatise ourselves to the potatoe. The potatoe was the most nutritious vegetable available and one acre could feed an entire family. Its yield was incredible. ERGO, for a tiny tenant plot in the west of Ireland, potatoes was the way to go. To suggest that the British forced people to grow potatoes and then sent in a magic blight to kill off the peasants reeks of Lord of the Rings, not history.

mysterious · 15-04-2010 03:51PM

Denerick wrote: »

Also in relation to the potatoe crop - it has already been stated, but the British did not 'take' our other crops. The British did not force us to acclimatise ourselves to the potatoe. The potatoe was the most nutritious vegetable available and one acre could feed an entire family. Its yield was incredible. ERGO, for a tiny tenant plot in the west of Ireland, potatoes was the way to go. To suggest that the British forced people to grow potatoes and then sent in a magic blight to kill off the peasants reeks of Lord of the Rings, not history.

The British DID take our crops. if they didn't there wouldn't be a famine. I know there is many high ranking people ONLINE ya know spreading dis info and not wanting the truth to be out. But its out as far as I'm concerned. Most people know the Irish famine was a holocaust. The British have been trying to wipe out the Merogrovigian/Atlantean And yeshua line that came to Ireland..

The british have been murdering us for hundreds of years. The Cromwellen times was another.......

Denerick · 15-04-2010 04:03PM

mysterious wrote: »

The British DID take our crops. if they didn't there wouldn't be a famine. I know there is many high ranking people ONLINE ya know spreading dis info and not wanting the truth to be out. But its out as far as I'm concerned. Most people know the Irish famine was a holocaust. The British have been trying to wipe out the Merogrovigian/Atlantean And yeshua line that came to Ireland..

The british have been murdering us for hundreds of years. The Cromwellen times was another.......

Hint: In order to be taken seriously in a debate, a reasoned argument in required, not blind faith and all encompassing simplicities. Just to help you out

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:08PM

Denerick wrote: »

Hint: In order to be taken seriously in a debate, a reasoned argument in required, not blind faith and all encompassing simplicities. Just to help you out

I think I will stick to common sense and knowledge. I will also use my brain too figure it out. And the famine is bull****.

Its just a reality dude, its not even a conspiracy. My Dad is'n't a conspiracy theorist and he was talking about this the other day. Sinead O Connor and many famous people brought a lot of awareness to the truth of the Irish holocaust. There is no way 1.5 million people would die from potato falure. It's just ridicolous. The only way it was so horrific and people starved, is because the British created a holocaust.

I joined a site on facebook a bout a month ago and its has thousands of people joined to the "irish holocaust not famine webpage".

I wouldn't insult others and accusing them having blind faith in something, maybe you that's in denial?

Or, you've insulted my intellegence and pretty much half the country on this issue.

Denerick · 15-04-2010 04:13PM

mysterious wrote: »

I think I will stick to common sense and knowledge. I will also use my brain too figure it out. And the famine is bull****.

Ok.

Its just a reality dude, its not even a conspiracy. My Dad is'n't a conspiracy theorist and he was talking about this the other day. Sinead O Connor and many famous people brought a lot of awareness to the truth of the Irish holocaust. There is no way 1.5 million people would die from potato falure. It's just ridicolous. The only way it was so horrific and people starved, is because the British created a holocaust.

Yes, Sinead o'Connor.

I joined a site on facebook a bout a month ago and its has thousands of people joined to the "irish holocaust not famine webpage".

Ok.

I wouldn't insult others and accusing them having blind faith in something, maybe you that's in denial? Or, you've insulted my intellegence and pretty much half the country on this issue.

This has been a strange day.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-04-2010 04:13PM

mysterious wrote: »

Covers my face with my hands and sings Oh almighty.

You do realise that graph HAS NOTHING to do with the problem of the Irish Famine. This kind of nonsense just really get's to me in this day and age.

The rescources and food suplly was not the problem. Over population was not the problem.

The problem was, it was a holocaust. I just don't care what sort of crap we learn in school cus its crap. I'm sick and tired of this brainwashing and false facts on this issue.

The English created a holocaust. They took our other crops, made us rent the land and over many years they made us TOTALLY dependant on the potato crop.They exported all other crops, and then sent the blight in and wiped out half the country.

It was genocide.

That graph HAS no relevance to this matter whatsoever. The Population of England was rising at the same rate of Ireland at the time.

You were doing well until you mentioned "blight"!! Blight was always here and still is. We have sprays for that sort of thing now. I doubt anyone sent it.

getz · 15-04-2010 04:15PM

Denerick wrote: »

Hint: In order to be taken seriously in a debate, a reasoned argument in required, not blind faith and all encompassing simplicities. Just to help you out

its stupid to think that the british introduced pototo blight [parasitic species of fungus] to ireland,it was already covered all of europe and america,you ate the blighted potato you would die,and many did

Brown Bomber · 15-04-2010 04:16PM

Denerick wrote: »

Also in relation to the potatoe crop - it has already been stated, but the British did not 'take' our other crops. The British did not force us to acclimatise ourselves to the potatoe. The potatoe was the most nutritious vegetable available and one acre could feed an entire family. Its yield was incredible. ERGO, for a tiny tenant plot in the west of Ireland, potatoes was the way to go. To suggest that the British forced people to grow potatoes and then sent in a magic blight to kill off the peasants reeks of Lord of the Rings, not history.

They did force us (assuming you are of Irish Catholic heritage) to grow potatoes though; through neccessity. The situation forced upon us by a largely British Protestant landlords, i.e. fishing and hunting was banned, miserly plots allocated to the farmhands, exorbitant rents and time expected to work their masters farm and the various slavery conditions imposed dictated that growing potatoes with its vast nutrient wealth (as you mentioned) was the only way for a peasant farmer and his family to survive

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:18PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

You were doing well until you mentioned "blight"!! Blight was always here and still is. We have sprays for that sort of thing now. I doubt anyone sent it.

I'm aware of that, but make 99% of the people dependant on potato over a generation, turn Ireland into a slave/Communist state and all other crops sold to the British. Put some blight in and you get a holocaust.

This one way to kill the Irish, I'm sure you will agree there were many "other forms" of genocide the British monarch created in this country going back thousands of years.

I'm not buying this ridicolous nonsense that 1.5million people just died from a pototo crop failure. Ireland had a growing population right up till when The British fcuked everything up. I would imagine they want to cut the population down to keep the population controlled.

Anyway this is'nt rocket science stuff, I just cannot understand why so many people believe in the conditioning of this story. It's so annoying.

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:20PM

Denerick wrote: »

Ok.

Yes, Sinead o'Connor.

Ok.

This has been a strange day.

Well it's not strange to me because I can deal with the reality and face up to the horror of this story. I like been real. I also am not useing the victim card or feeling angry about it. It's past stuff and it's not strange just a fact of life that happened. We can't change the past.

But i'm not going to sit here and pretend this aint real and brush it under the carpet

. Interesting how this is strange to you.

Hmm why?

Denerick · 15-04-2010 04:23PM

mysterious wrote: »

Well it's not strange to me because I can deal with the reality and face up to the horror of this story. I like been real. I also am not useing the victim card or feeling angry about it. It's past stuff and it's not strange just a fact of life that happened. We can't change the past.

But i'm not going to sit here and pretend this aint real and brush it under the carpet . Interesting how this is strange to you.

Hmm why?

But you haven't produced an argument. You've restated a political faith. There is a difference

Denerick · 15-04-2010 04:25PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

They did force us (assuming you are of Irish Catholic heritage) to grow potatoes though; through neccessity. The situation forced upon us by a largely British Protestant landlords, i.e. fishing and hunting was banned, miserly plots allocated to the farmhands, exorbitant rents and time expected to work their masters farm and the various slavery conditions imposed dictated that growing potatoes with its vast nutrient wealth (as you mentioned) was the only way for a peasant farmer and his family to survive

Thats fair enough. I don't dispute that. Nobody with a conscience can honestly say that the state of the Irish peasantry was not a stain on the legacy of the British Empire.

I just don't agree with the argument that the British deliberately engineered a genocide of the Irish peasantry.

EDIT: And yes, I am of Irish Catholic background. My people were very poor Donegal tenant farmers at the time of the Irish Famine, and many emigrated.

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:27PM

Denerick wrote: »

But you haven't produced an argument. You've restated a political faith. There is a difference

I told you the facts. You kinda danced around it. I don't know why you feel its a strange day. But this topic isn't strange at all.:)

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:28PM

Denerick wrote: »

I just don't agree with the argument that the British deliberately engineered a genocide of the Irish peasantry.
.

Why truth toooooo scary "stomp stompe almight roar"

who the fug · 15-04-2010 04:32PM

Would somebody please define who these Brits were/are as I can never find these evil two headed monsters what eat children when I need one in London.

the famine was a cluster ****, of a population dependent on one crop, serious debt problems and a prevailing trendy ideology of the day. Nothing more.

Denerick · 15-04-2010 04:35PM

mysterious wrote: »

I told you the facts. You kinda danced around it. I don't know why you feel its a strange day. But this topic isn't strange at all.:)

Please try to learn the difference between stating a political faith and a reasoned argument. A reasoned argument requires a set of facts, around which is based an hypothesis, which may or may not be proven to be true following a period of healthy intellectual skirmishing with other people of conflicting hypotheses.

Stating a political faith, with no further contextual analysis, is not, unfortunately, a reasoned argument.

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:36PM

The Cromwellan times they killed thousands in every major urban centre accross Ireland ravaged Genocide and sent 200,000 to Connaght the rest to the slave trade in the Carribean.

Oh sure what happened to the Catholics in the North during the plantations? They didn't dissappear by randon natural causes.
Oh no Denerick, the British rulers, would never do that, oh no. thats not on now! The British would never do this, Why are you covering thier asses?

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:38PM

Denerick wrote: »

Please try to learn the difference between stating a political faith and a reasoned argument. A reasoned argument requires a set of facts, around which is based an hypothesis, which may or may not be proven to be true following a period of healthy intellectual skirmishing with other people of conflicting hypotheses.

Stating a political faith, with no further contextual analysis, is not, unfortunately, a reasoned argument.

Lol.

Brown Bomber · 15-04-2010 04:43PM

Denerick wrote: »

Thats fair enough. I don't dispute that. Nobody with a conscience can honestly say that the state of the Irish peasantry was not a stain on the legacy of the British Empire.

I just don't agree with the argument that the British deliberately engineered a genocide of the Irish peasantry.

EDIT: And yes, I am of Irish Catholic background. My people were very poor Donegal tenant farmers at the time of the Irish Famine, and many emigrated.

I don't agree they deliberately engineered a genocide either to be fair, but I what I do think is that the Irish population had been to dehumanised by the British to be the equal of wild animals. This was the time of Darwin and a eugenics revival in Britain. I believe the Irish were allowed to die as a favour to the human race. The removal of food by gunpoint seems to me to be letting your dog starve to death so the master can have a second helping.

Denerick · 15-04-2010 04:43PM

mysterious wrote: »

The Cromwellan times they killed thousands in every major urban centre accross Ireland ravaged Genocide and sent 200,000 to Connaght the rest to the slave trade in the Carribean.

Oh sure what happened to the Catholics in the North during the plantations? They didn't dissappear by randon natural causes.
Oh no Denerick, the British rulers, would never do that, oh no. thats not on now! The British would never do this, Why are you covering thier asses?

Have you ever read an Irish history book?

Flamed Diving · 15-04-2010 04:57PM

mysterious wrote: »

Covers my face with my hands and sings Oh almighty.

You do realise that graph HAS NOTHING to do with the problem of the Irish Famine. This kind of nonsense just really get's to me in this day and age.

The rescources and food suplly was not the problem. Over population was not the problem.

The problem was, it was a holocaust. I just don't care what sort of crap we learn in school cus its crap. I'm sick and tired of this brainwashing and false facts on this issue.

The English created a holocaust. They took our other crops, made us rent the land and over many years they made us TOTALLY dependant on the potato crop.They exported all other crops, and then sent the blight in and wiped out half the country.

It was genocide.

That graph HAS no relevance to this matter whatsoever. The Population of England was rising at the same rate of Ireland at the time.

That's nice.

mysterious · 15-04-2010 04:59PM

Denerick wrote: »

Have you ever read an Irish history book?

I do lots of research, but many real historians go out and FIND out themselves and end up re writing history because the ****e we read in school for the most part is horrorific.

As for the debate, goes I asked you 2 questions and replyed 3 post's you've ignored them.

Interesting.

Denerick · 15-04-2010 05:21PM

mysterious wrote: »

I do lots of research, but many real historians go out and FIND out themselves and end up re writing history because the ****e we read in school for the most part is horrorific.

As for the debate, goes I asked you 2 questions and replyed 3 post's you've ignored them.

Interesting.

You didn't ask questions, you made assertions based on political faith. I'm afraid I'm not conditioned to respond to vague generalities aimed at propagating a very specific hypothesis.

And your definition of an historian is interesting.

Flamed Diving · 15-04-2010 05:34PM

Denerick, I really wouldn't bother with him.

getz · 15-04-2010 05:46PM

Flamed Diving wrote: »

That's nice.

mysterious is right, over a million irish people went over to england with their families to keep from starving

Flamed Diving · 15-04-2010 05:49PM

getz wrote: »

mysterious is right, over a million irish people went over to england with their families to keep from starving

If you would take the time to read my contribution to this thread you would see that I am more than aware of this little piece of trivia. My post to Mysty has to do with something other than that.

Thank you.

RoboClam · 15-04-2010 05:52PM

The church in Ireland secretly had lots of potatoes during the famine and they hid the potatoes in pillows and sold them abroad in potato fairs. And the Pope closed down a lot of the factories that were making the potatoes and turned them into prisons for children.

Truthrevolution · 15-04-2010 05:56PM

who the fug wrote: »

Would somebody please define who these Brits were/are

They are called the British royal family

The Irish Famine

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