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New Anti-Rape device - RapeAxe

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  • #62
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    gingelion wrote: »
    If i saw a guy raping someone i think I should be allowed kill the prick.

    Just the prick or the guy too?

    A lot of peacocking going on in this thread, more to come I suspect.


  • #63
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    A lot of peacocking going on in this thread, more to come I suspect.

    Luckily there's only one person trying to trivialise the impact of rape.


  • #64
    gingelion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭gingelion


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Just the prick or the guy too?

    A lot of peacocking going on in this thread, more to come I suspect.

    I dont know what peacocking is.:o

    Obviously it would be better if i could just stop the guy but i'm not a big guy so just stopping him probably wouldnt be an option. Of course, killing him would be even more difficult. I'd just have to pick something up off the street and hit him with it.


  • #65
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    This is the stupidest device known to man, yes rapist deserve every bit of punishment due to them.

    But lets not forget some women are evil nut-cases who would take great pleasure in using one of these on a innocent guy thinking it to be funny because of some all men are bastards mentality they might have going for them.

    Some women are evil nutcases who may use the device on an innocent guy for their own sadistic pleasure. I reckon those women are outweighed heavily by the number of rapists there are in the world.
    rgt320q wrote: »
    As a punishment? Perhaps. But punishments should never be allowed to be carried out by the victims.

    Unless it's an act of equal humility that is carried out by a rape victim. imo.


  • #66
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Zillah wrote: »
    Luckily there's only one person trying to trivialise the impact of rape.

    Look, just because I don't think MURDER should be the punishment for rape, does not mean I am "trivializing" it.

    Now matter how often you say or imply it.


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  • #67
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Just the prick or the guy too?

    A lot of peacocking going on in this thread, more to come I suspect.
    Though rape's a horrendous crime, I honestly don't agree with killing someone in any circumstance.

    To be honest, in a crime as despicable as this; wouldn't it be far preferable for the attacker to be locked up for the rest of his life than to have the quick and easy release of murder, and never have to feel any remorse? 'Death's too good for him'; as they say


  • #68
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Look, just because I don't think MURDER should be the punishment for rape, does not mean I am "trivializing" it.

    Now matter how often you say or imply it.

    Yes of course, rape isn't a life destroying act of total domination and dehumanisation, all he's doing is "shoving his penis in and out of her". Sure, that'd only take a few minutes, what's the big deal?


  • #69
    gingelion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭gingelion


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    Rapists dont get life imprisonment. A lot of them get away with it too.


  • #70
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    WindSock wrote: »
    Some women are evil nutcases who may use the device on an innocent guy for their own sadistic pleasure. I reckon those women are outweighed heavily by the number of rapists there are in the world

    Almost certainly. There's also the fact that a malicious human being already has thousands of tools at their disposal to torture someone they don't like, from knives and guns to poison and fire. This one just happens to be a rape deterent too.

    If some bitch uses this to assault a man she should be charged just as if she had stabbed him with a bottle opener. This item might hit a particularly nasty chord in the minds of most men, but looking at it rationally this object is no more subject to abuse than anything else that can maim or agonise.


  • #71
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    This is the stupidest device known to man, yes rapist deserve every bit of punishment due to them.

    But lets not forget some women are evil nut-cases who would take great pleasure in using one of these on a innocent guy thinking it to be funny because of some all men are bastards mentality they might have going for them.

    There are way more men willing to rape then there is women who would do that to a man.


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  • #72
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Look, just because I don't think MURDER should be the punishment for rape, does not mean I am "trivializing" it.

    If you heard on the news tonight that some girl somehow managed to kill a man that was raping her, who would you feel sorry for?
    I know where my sympathies would lie, it's as simple as that


  • #73
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Zillah wrote: »
    Yes of course, rape isn't a life destroying act of total domination and dehumanisation, all he's doing is "shoving his penis in and out of her". Sure, that'd only take a few minutes, what's the big deal?

    Ahh sarcasm, just what the thread needed, Or would you prefer I said you were being ironic? I suspect you would, but I'll use 'sarcasm', it better describes that nonsense you typed.

    As far as "shoving his penis in and out of her", that's what rape is, worst that can happen is the women gets pregnant by the bastard.

    If the guy beats her, ties her up, breaks her jaw etc etc etc, we have other laws for these crimes and murder is acceptable under those circumstances.

    But we are discussing Rape here on it's own merits and a penis being stuck in you as you are held down is what happens.

    In these circumstances, MURDER is NOT justified.

    It's disgusting to think that any man or woman should be murdered for committing the act of rape.


  • #74
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    If you heard on the news tonight that some girl somehow managed to kill a man that was raping her, who would you feel sorry for?

    Of course I would, why would you think I wouldn't?

    If you heard that a woman was raping a man and he killed her, would you feel sorry for the guy?


  • #75
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    But we are discussing Rape here on it's own merits and a penis being stuck in you as you are held down is what happens.

    You are ignorant to the point of disbelief. If you are honestly unaware of the devastating long term psychological damage caused by rape then you've been living under a rock, and if you're choosing to ignore it then I think that might actually be worse.

    Try living a year of your life unable to enjoy sex or companionship, where you are afraid all the time, where something as simple as going to the shop is an ordeal, where you are trapped is a cycle of guilt, anger, self-loathing and blame, where sleep cannot come because every sound is filled with forboding and terror, and you might have some notion of how damaging rape can be.

    And no, I'm not a rape victim, but I have at least, unlike you, educated myself to the terrible reality of it.


  • #76
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    I think rape should carry a mandatory life sentence, and I mean LIFE not this out-in-15-years Nanny State bull****.


    And as for killing rapists, put 'em in with the general prison population, ie the "ordinary decent criminals", and see what happens.


  • #77
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    OutlawPete wrote: »

    As far as "shoving his penis in and out of her", that's what rape is, worst that can happen is the women gets pregnant by the bastard.
    .

    Sorry Pete, but you're talking out your arse.

    Rape is the lowest thing one human being can do to another. It absolutely deserves death as punishment, i personally cant think of a clearer case to be argued for a death penalty. Rapists are the lowest of the low. They should be removed from the gene pool


  • #78
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    If you heard that a woman was raping a man and he killed her, would you feel sorry for the guy?

    I already addressed this, pretty cool the way you're just going to ignore me and keep trotting out this irrelevant point as if were some sort of silver bullet for your argument.


  • #79
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Zillah wrote: »
    You are ignorant to the point of disbelief. If you are honestly unaware of the devastating long term psychological damage caused by rape then you've been living under a rock, and if you're choosing to ignore it then I think that might actually be worse.

    Ahhh, here is the crux of the issue, took your time getting to it, it is what I was waiting for.

    First of all, I am FAR FAR from not understanding the long term psychological damage caused by rape. I am quite well educated on the matter, as it goes.

    But that has ZERO to do with what is happening during and directly after the rape which is the time you are condoning Murder.

    If you think that because of the "devastating long term psychological damage caused by rape", Murder is acceptable, then why don't you support capital punishment for rape.

    Or do you?


  • #80
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Zillah wrote: »
    I already addressed this, pretty cool the way you're just going to ignore me and keep trotting out this irrelevant point as if were some sort of silver bullet for your argument.

    You are quite something aren't you?

    The above comment was in reply to sbsquarepants, where I quoted them, WHY are you implying that it was addressed at you?? :rolleyes:


  • #81
    cafecolour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭cafecolour


    I really don't think that many women would use this device, if any at all. I suspect it's more about the PR - ie think twice before raping someone, she might have this up there.


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  • #82
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    You are quite something aren't you?

    Yes.
    The above comment was in reply to sbsquarepants, where I quoted them, WHY are you implying that it was addressed at you?? :rolleyes:

    It doesn't matter who it was addressed to, the point is utterly irrelevant and I'm pointing that out.
    If you think that because of the "devastating long term psychological damage caused by rape", Murder is acceptable, then why don't you support capital punishment for rape.

    Because I'm talking about preventing or at least interupting the act. Execution after the fact shows vindictiveness, killing during the act has a purpose, it is in the name of self defense.

    It's quite baffling that you don't see the difference.


  • #83
    Bonito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    NO it's too harsh a punishment.
    Ghost Train wrote: »
    Previous thread about this
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055440823
    And the previous thread before that.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054855247

    We're not allowed bring up zombie threads. The reason I created a new thread is because the product has been patent approved and is being released on the market soon. There will be a few thousand given out for free in a campaign just before the world cup.

    Also it is no longer called rapex. It is Rape-Axe now.


  • #84
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Sorry Pete, but you're talking out your arse.

    I am talking about THERE and THEN, the worst thing can happen, not long term.

    We are talking about Murder here.

    Killing another human being.

    Rape does not justify a person to kill another human being unless they fear for the safety of their lives.


  • #85
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are they a once-a-day yoke or do you lash them in the dishwasher at the end of the day?


  • #86
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Serious shudder...


  • #87
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    I am talking about THERE and THEN, the worst thing can happen, not long term.

    By this logic, if I were to slip a pill into your drink that would cause total paralysis and agony a week after you consumed it, no one should be allowed to us force to stop me, because after all we're only talking about the THERE and THEN. All I'm doing at the time is shoving a pill into your drink, that's no big deal, right? Remember! Long term consequences are not under discussion (apparently. wtf?)


  • #88
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Zillah wrote: »
    the point is utterly irrelevant and I'm pointing that out.

    There was no "point".

    It was a question, one which you didn't answer.

    Is it okay for a man to kill a woman that is raping him?

    Is it okay for a women to kill another women who is raping them?

    Would this victim being justified in killing her rapist?


  • #89
    Undergod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Undergod


    Lux23 wrote: »
    There are way more men willing to rape then there is women who would do that to a man.

    That's based on what exactly?

    I think this is a great implement on the surface, any rapist deserves the mutilation they get from this. But it could just lead to an escalation of the violence involved- as someone said, a victim will now get beaten up and have the device removed before being raped.

    And it is clearly totally open to abuse. Zillah argued that it was no more open to abuse than countless other objects we have, but I think we live in a society where it's very easy to falsely accuse a man of rape- to assault a man by using this implement is to immediately make him look like the aggressor.

    So I'm kind of in two minds about it.


  • #90
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    There was no "point".

    It was a question, one which you didn't answer.

    Haha, oh dear you're really not keeping up. I answered your question in my second post in this thread.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Would this victim being justified in killing her rapist?

    During the act to prevent or interrupt it, yes, absolutely. I fail to see why you think the sex of the attacker or victim is so important here.


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  • #91
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Nasty device, but one I can't see being a massive problem. There'll be incidents, certainly, but with a big enough sample, of course there will be.

    Personally, I deeply treasure the principle of self-defence, and so, if a rape victim manages to kill a rapist in escaping the act, provided deadly force is not wielded in a retributive fashion, then I have no problem with it. What this means is that supposing there's a bottle on the ground, a woman is being pinned down and raped, manages to get hold of the bottle and swing it at the rapist, who suffers a fatal wound, then she's entirely innocent. If, on the other hand, she's gotten out from under him, grabs the bottle, turns around and stabs him, rather than running, it's murder. The same principle holds true in any situation of conflict. If someone hits me in a bar and, in defending myself, I knock them out, they strike their head on a corner and suffer a fatal brain injury, I believe I'm innocent, personally, while if I had struck them with an object I found in that situation which was obviously potentially fatal, then it would be a case of murder, since the option existed to not do so. For a woman with no access to an alternative escape, the use of the deadly object would be entirely justified in the first instance outlined.


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