Gardaí want fingerprints taken in all arrests

Sykk · 14-04-2010 01:27PM #1

Garda Superintendents have called for new laws to allow for fingerprints to be taken from everyone who is arrested and brought to a garda station.
President of the Association of Garda Superintendents Jim Smith told its annual conference in Dublin today that this would not only be of great help in the investigation of crime but also protect arrested persons.
The law at present only allows fingerprints to be taken from people arrested for certain serious offences.
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The Association has also called for jury lists, which contain personal details of jury panel members to be made available only to legal representatives to prevent intimidation of jurors.
While the Association, like all other representative associations, is concerned with pay and conditions, it has recommended its members accept the Croke Park agreement.
However, it has today called on the Government to introduce new measures to tackle crime.
Superintendents say too much of their time is spent on investigations for the Garda Ombudsman, which the Commission should conduct itself.
Supt Smith also says the Association believes all gangland crime trials should be held in the Special Criminal Court.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0414/garda.html

Oh deary... I can see the upside but I don't think I'd be comfortable with this one. I don't have any criminal record, not even a ticket but still, it seems like a serious breach of privacy.

Bonito · 14-04-2010 01:28PM

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Can't see myself giving the guards a reason to take my prints.

bazmaiden · 14-04-2010 01:29PM

Bring on the one world government theorists

TheZohanS · 14-04-2010 01:31PM

Easy solution, don't act the bollocks and get arrested.

Son Of A Vidic · 14-04-2010 01:31PM

I thought that was already a standard practice, but obviously it's not. No wonder detection rates for some types of crime are low.

Gaz · 14-04-2010 01:32PM

I would go one further and get a DNA database of every person in the country ...

Only the guilty have something to hide.

Bonito · 14-04-2010 01:32PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Easy solution, don't act the bollocks and get arrested.

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir. I shall PM you my bank details.

Dravokivich · 14-04-2010 01:34PM

Sykk wrote: »

it seems like a serious breach of privacy.

I would see it as a breach of privacy if someone did something to me. If finger prints of a possible suspect are found on the scene, I like the idea of a database of previously convicted criminals or individuals arrested after being brought to the attention of the Gardaí can be checked against.

I'm suprised to find out we don't...

Earthhorse · 14-04-2010 01:35PM

Garda Superintendents have called for new laws to allow for fingerprints to be taken from everyone who is arrested and brought to a garda station.

I don't know about taking fingerprints but I definitely agree that people who are arrested should be brought to a Garda station.

ScumLord · 14-04-2010 01:40PM

This will be a pain in the hole, if they already have your prints you don't have to stand around getting them done again do you?

Prof.Badass · 14-04-2010 01:41PM

Bonito wrote: »

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Can't see myself giving the guards a reason to take my prints.

So that makes it ok for all of society?

MagicSean · 14-04-2010 01:42PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I would see it as a breach of privacy if someone did something to me. If finger prints of a possible suspect are found on the scene, I like the idea of a database of previously convicted criminals or individuals arrested after being brought to the attention of the Gardaí can be checked against.

I'm suprised to find out we don't...

Currently Gardaí can only compel fingerprints from someone who has been detained for questioning.

Earthhorse wrote: »

I don't know about taking fingerprints but I definitely agree that people who are arrested should be brought to a Garda station.

People who are arrested are always brought to a Garda station. There are a few exceptions (Juveniles brought home, people brought to hospital etc). The point of taking fingerprints of everyone who is arrested would be to eliminate the possability of someone giving a false name or address.

My name is URL · 14-04-2010 01:43PM

Don't see the problem. Too many crimes go unpunished due to lack of physical evidence as it is.

Bonito · 14-04-2010 01:43PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

So it's ok for all of society?

What exactly is your objection to giving your prints to the guardaí if you commit a crime?

MagicSean · 14-04-2010 01:43PM

ScumLord wrote: »

This will be a pain in the hole, if they already have your prints you don't have to stand around getting them done again do you?

Yes in case you are lying about your name and address. It only takes a minute on the new electronic systems to get your prints done. No inky mess.

Morlar · 14-04-2010 01:43PM

I honestly don't know why they were not doing this all along. I am sure there is some hippy lefty liberal reason for this but if you get arrested there is no sensible reason why the Gardai should not be taking your fingerprints. This is one of those 'no downside whatsoever' kind of things.

hooradiation · 14-04-2010 01:45PM

This would undoubtedly suffer from the same issue as a DNA database - that is to say the birthday problem makes false positives a hell of a lot more likely.

oh and before i forget

Morlar wrote: »

hippy lefty liberal reason

grow the hell up.

Morlar · 14-04-2010 01:45PM

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14-04-2010 01:46PM

Gaz wrote: »

I would go one further and get a DNA database of every person in the country ...

Only the guilty have something to hide.

sigh

I wish people would stop bleating this rubbish

Prof.Badass · 14-04-2010 01:51PM

Bonito wrote: »

What exactly is your objection to giving your prints to the guardaí if you commit a crime?

You don't need to commit a crime to be arrested. Innocent until proven guilty.

Slugs · 14-04-2010 01:52PM

Morlar wrote: »

I honestly don't know why they were not doing this all along. I am sure there is some hippy lefty liberal reason for this but if you get arrested there is no sensible reason why the Gardai should not be taking your fingerprints. This is one of those 'no downside whatsoever' kind of things.

I suppose you'd have no problem with an RFID chip being inserted into your arm. Or every detail about you kept in a personnel database, just to ensure your safety. There is a lot of downsides, despite your inclination to profess otherwise. Might be an idea to open your mind before decrying objectionists as hippy left liberalists. As someone else said, grow up.

MagicSean · 14-04-2010 01:53PM

bluewolf wrote: »

sigh

I wish people would stop bleating this rubbish

Not a great contribution there. I presume you are against the idea of a database for DNA? I don't see the problem with it if access is properly restricted.

Morlar · 14-04-2010 01:53PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

proven guilty.

This part might be easier with fingerprints.

Bonito · 14-04-2010 01:53PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

You don't need to commit a crime to be arrested. Innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, because the ratio of innocent people arrested for a crime is higher than those arrested who are guilty of committing a crime. :rolleyes:

Wile E. Coyote · 14-04-2010 01:54PM

I don't see the problem. It's not like they're going to be calling door to door to get everyones prints. They'll only be taken if your arrested. Why do people have an issue with that?

Also if it's not mandatory at the minute can someone tell me what crime you have to commit before they take your prints?

Morlar · 14-04-2010 01:54PM

Slugs wrote: »

I suppose you'd have no problem with an RFID chip being inserted into your arm. Or every detail about you kept in a personnel database, just to ensure your safety. There is a lot of downsides, despite your inclination to profess otherwise. Might be an idea to open your mind before decrying objectionists as hippy left liberalists. As someone else said, grow up.

Bullshít. No one is talking about implanting RF chips in innocent people. Stick to what the discussion is about instead of pretending it's about something completely different. & no I wont 'please think of the children' either.

MagicSean · 14-04-2010 01:54PM

Slugs wrote: »

I suppose you'd have no problem with an RFID chip being inserted into your arm. Or every detail about you kept in a personnel database, just to ensure your safety. There is a lot of downsides, despite your inclination to profess otherwise. Might be an idea to open your mind before decrying objectionists as hippy left liberalists. As someone else said, grow up.

Id have no problem with it. In this case I think you are over-reacting. The fingerprints would only be used to confirm your identity once you are in custody.

Bonito · 14-04-2010 01:55PM

Slugs wrote: »

I suppose you'd have no problem with an RFID chip being inserted into your arm. Or every detail about you kept in a personnel database, just to ensure your safety. There is a lot of downsides, despite your inclination to profess otherwise. Might be an idea to open your mind before decrying objectionists as hippy left liberalists. As someone else said, grow up.

That's a bit harsh. There's a difference between fingerprints being kept on file as opposed to authorities knowing what you had for breakfast.

Dunjohn · 14-04-2010 01:55PM

I'm not the only one here who thought that this was already done, then. Since I haven't had a problem up to now, I obviously won't have one if this is introduced. Can't see any downside.

MagicSean · 14-04-2010 01:56PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

I don't see the problem. It's not like they're going to be calling door to door to get everyones prints. They'll only be taken if your arrested. Why do people have an issue with that?

Also if it's not mandatory at the minute can someone tell me what crime you have to commit before they take your prints?

Anything which has a punishment of five years or more on first conviction.

Wile E. Coyote · 14-04-2010 01:58PM

k_mac wrote: »

Anything which has a punishment of five years or more on first conviction.

Thats it??? Bloody hell, you'd be lucky to see someone get 5 years for murder in this country!

Gardaí want fingerprints taken in all arrests

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