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Vatican blames homosexuality for child abuse scandals
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm
So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.
Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs
Well they have to blame some else possibly responsible for this week.
Nominations for who they will blame next week?Is this about the church covering up the past wrongs or about homosexuality being a cause for child abuse in the church?
What about the nuns that have done it too? Are they lesbians?
Should we beat them with double ended dildos and choke them with cock rings?
Yes and yes.smellslikeshoes wrote: »They are so amazingly out of touch with reality it would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious.
"Out of touch" - I'd say they were TOO in touch with some!The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny any more.
Was never funny in the first place. Not posting/commenting/drawing it to peoples attention on it however reminds me of a famous saying!
"Evil persists while good men do nothing."bigbadbear wrote: »*Sigh* EEEEEEEJITS like this is why there are so many sad people posting in the atheists forum saying "death to the catholics" I still cant understand why the real catholics dont uprise against these cúnts. A 'true catholic' is like the ideal person (apart from the anti condom fascination which is totally weird and unrelated to anything that 'our lord' ever preached) These sickos are ruining something that is an asset to Ireland.
Do people agree with me that most modern catholic priests in Ireland are the best people in the world? I feel sorry for
priests like the one in Donegal who took care of my grandmother when she was sick and lonely.
Complacency + local level brainwashing = Status quo.
Homosexuals Joe, in our town.
Either that or "Boys Town"I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.
I look it at like this. Take for instance Manchester United, most fans of the club hate the owners - the Glazers - who control the club. The hatred mostly comes from how they are running the club. It doesn't automatically follow that you should hate Wayne Rooney or the club due to the actions of other players.
True. Sadly some hatred is systemic from unfounded stupid "paint one as all" mentality.heffomike54 wrote: »Another great reason to stay away from the church.:mad:
...you mean besides the whole Jesus "story" being yet again just a repetition of previous historic figures?jill_valentine wrote: »You can be Christian without being part of the Catholic Church - you cannot be Catholic without being part of the Catholic church by the very nature of the term.
At this stage, no Catholic can pretend not to be aware of the extent of the abuses within the institution in the recent past, nor can they possibly argue that the church are taking these crimes seriously or dealing with them appropriately now.
If somebody is able to look at these things with their eyes open and say "Yes, this is a group I will continue to support finanically and ideologically", then to my mind they are complicit in the continuing injustice this organisation has committed against the people placed in it's care and the contempt it continues to show for the communities it is supposed to be serving.
There is no separating the church from the religion.
Hell, they can't even separate real fact from the fiction they are coming up with weekly at the present rate.
...It just wasn't as organised like a mafia mob!Of course you can, Catholicism existed before Martin Luther you know?
You got it summed up nicely. Its everyones elses fault but Rome'sLast week it was the Jews fault, now its the Gays fault. Its everyones fault except Father O'Fiddler and his bossesThis is so true,I had to quote and comment. Imagine if someone started a thread here saying the reason priests were raping kids was due to the "fags" . It'd be locked in five minutes as a troll thread. Anyway, I thought they were blaming the atheists?
The "atheists" were last week.
You really have to try and keep up with these ejits in Rome...You're both right AND wrong. The problem isn't spirituality or the belief in a or many god/gods, the problem MOST DEFINITELY is RELIGION.
Men appropriate spirituality, our need for belief and use organised religion to advance their own agendas and their power. The reason the Catholic chruch has been able to get away practically scot free throughout history with everything it has done is because of religion. Because individuals, led by their faith, lend their support to it, have lent their support to it. This gives them the power to act with impunity. If they didn't have so many followers you think they would have been able to do what they did, or not held to account?
Believe in a god if you wish, pray, exercise your spirituality. But shed the shackles of organised religion. Don't allow MEN to use your belief.
Churches, mosques, temples, priests, imams, cardinals, popes, these are the problems. If you truly believe in god, you don't need these charlatans to help you find him.
And that is what ANY man who claims to spread the word of god is. A charlatan.
... in other words - the short version: "power corrupts"Very prophetic. :P
...don't say that. Some one will start another religion over such words!I'm not religious in the least myself, but I respect the right of others to spiritual belief.
What I can't accept is political organisations, masquerading as benevolent benefactors, bartering in spirituality with the sole purpose of furthering their own selfish ends.
This is what pretty much every single religious organisation has done throughout history, except perhaps the Buddhists.
By participating in organised religion, people give these institutions power. Power that is invariably misused. I should think the solution would be obvious.
Yep, Send in Jedward. That will have them running.
Nope, its "pass the buck" time again.Is there anyone they won't blame?
It's beyond pathetic at this stage.sponsoredwalk wrote: »I think it's time to start throwing Christians to the lions again.
How does a high ranking man get away with a comment like that????
Well if we can have "Muppets in space", we can have muppets in front of a microphone or a PR office issuing papal edicts.Wow, just when you think they can't possibly make themselves seem any more dislikeable/barmy...blaming homosexuality for paedophilia, you might as well blame hetrosexuality for rape....outlandish, absurd, beyond the pale....Boy am I glad I took my leave of that shower of loons, hypocrits and apologists for/facilitators of, child abuse many years ago.....shocking.
Your lucky, I hear next week they are up for blaming Simon Cowell.henryporter wrote: »Well they're just throwing that one out there for the converted, who let's face it, want to believe everything and anything at this stage, so long as it protects their little club. Dostoevsky was right - if Jebus came back they would hang him too
Have they blamed Dostoevsky yet? Maybe he's still on the list then!I thought the problem was'nt that there was paedo's in the church but that the church was covering up for said paedo's?
Do poofs cause cover ups too?
Yes to the first part - and to the second: ...No, but I hear they are teaching the CIA/MI5/MI6/NSA/etc lessons now on how to re-write history.Joey the lips wrote: »You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.
Shock - horror. A gay priest!!! Gawd he must be to blame for the (w)hole thing! :rolleyes:Dravokivich wrote: »So they're blaming the Greeks?
Tut-tut. They were on last months list of who to blame.
Your really not keeping up with the latest list are you? Bold boy, bend over and prepare to receive your punishment!
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youcrazyjesus! wrote: »Institutionalized Cardinals can't see the wood for the trees
Oh I think they can
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If the public have to educate and control the church in terms of morality and deceny, then what exactly is the church's purpose?
You have me on that one..... Oh wait maybe its spiritual.... afterall I dont see any other denomination taking care of our unwanted.What are you on about? The purpose of the BBC article was to quote what the Cardinal said.
And the cardinal said that he believed there was no link between celibacy and clerical abuse, but that in fact there was a link between homosexuality and clerical abuse.
This serves 2 purposes. 1) Shift the blame onto homosexuality and further the church's agenda against homosexuals.
2) To argue that celibacy is not the problem and thus protect a long established aspect of priesthood.
No one is missing the point here, we get what the cardinal is saying. We just find it quite deplorable.
No it does not. Its sensational press. It points out if you can read between the lines that celabit priests were not to blame as this is the arguement but homosexual priests and while granted that it does not rule that homosexuals are abusers I imagine you agree that a man has to be a homosexual to sleep with another male. granted a sick perverted man but not a sick perverted homosexual as it would equally imply that hethrosexuals who abuse label all hethro sexuals as sick and perverted..
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Joey the lips wrote: »You have me on that one..... Oh wait maybe its spiritual.... afterall I dont see any other denomination taking care of our unwanted.
Nonsense. There are hundreds if not more charities that have nothing to do with religion that do a LOT to help people (without going around burning people at the stake, torturing them, raping them, then blaming everyone else but themselves). Plenty of people give money to the unwanted and needy on top of their time.
How much money has the church spent on helping others? And How much has it spent on buying land, constructing buildings, developing its assets and consolidating its power?No it does not. Its sensational press. It points out if you can read between the lines that celabit priests were not to blame as this is the arguement but homosexual priests and while granted that it does not rule that homosexuals are abusers I imagine you agree that a man has to be a homosexual to sleep with another male. granted a sick perverted man but not a sick perverted homosexual as it would equally imply that hethrosexuals who abuse label all hethro sexuals as sick and perverted..
Are you with me now..... or are the blinkers still on
Sensational press? What.. this is what the cardinal said...
" I was told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia.
"That is true. I have the documents of the psychologists. That is the problem.""
He did not just say that celibacy is not the problem, as you seem to be trying SO hard to imply. He said, very clearly and unambiguously, that homosexuality "is the problem." And in fact there is a "relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia."
Your attempts at twisting this into some kind of benign equivocation are severely flawed.
Are YOU with me now? Or are the blinkers of faith still covering your eyes and the noise of Church bells still drowning out all reason?
Also, no, I do not believe that you need to be homosexual to abuse children. There is no link. Child abuse is about power and innocense, not about preferring male or female sexual partners or the same or opposite sex.
Boys were abused not because priests were gay, but because they had EASY access, and because people were much more likely to trust them alone to the company of a priest than girls. The same way that men get raped in prison. It's not because such a large majority of criminals are homosexual. It's because they need to satisfy their sexual urges, and use whatever outlet is closest to hand.
Because priests couldn't have sex openly, and yet needed to satisfy their urges, they chose to abuse those in their care least likely to expose their actions and to whom they had easiest access. Celibacy lies at the root of this.0 -
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Joey the lips wrote: »No it does not. Its sensational press. It points out if you can read between the lines that celabit priests were not to blame as this is the arguement but homosexual priests and while granted that it does not rule that homosexuals are abusers I imagine you agree that a man has to be a homosexual to sleep with another male. granted a sick perverted man but not a sick perverted homosexual as it would equally imply that hethrosexuals who abuse label all hethro sexuals as sick and perverted..
Are you with me now..... or are the blinkers still on
There's a litmus test for this.
If all the men who did this were homosexuals then why were little girls also abused?
So, not only is the man a christian (:p) he is a liar! (does correlation mean causation? [
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Joey, the priest said
So he is lying about Psych 101 and he is pulling out the gay bashing technique."Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and paedophilia but many others have demonstrated, I was told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia. "That is true. I have the documents of the psychologists. That is the problem."
I don't think a quote from his own mouth is "sensationalist press" but I wouldn't be surprised if someone were to claim this angle next
Again, how do we let a backward organization, nevermind backward people, spout off hate propoganda on the radio that would get a person fired from their job in seconds and let them get away with it
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