Vatican blames homosexuality for child abuse scandals

Memnoch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone had said homosexuality, not celibacy, lay behind the child sex abuse scandals....

'I have the documents'
Visiting the Chilean capital Santiago on Monday, Cardinal Bertone told a news conference: "Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and paedophilia but many others have demonstrated, I was told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia.
"That is true. I have the documents of the psychologists. That is the problem."

So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Rabies

Is this about the church covering up the past wrongs or about homosexuality being a cause for child abuse in the church?
What about the nuns that have done it too? Are they lesbians?

Should we beat them with double ended dildos and choke them with cock rings?

smellslikeshoes

They are so amazingly out of touch with reality it would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious.

m@cc@

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny anymore.

bigbadbear

*Sigh* EEEEEEEJITS like this is why there are so many sad people posting in the atheists forum saying "death to the catholics" I still cant understand why the real catholics dont uprise against these cúnts. A 'true catholic' is like the ideal person (apart from the anti condom fascination which is totally weird and unrelated to anything that 'our lord' ever preached) These sickos are ruining something that is an asset to Ireland.

Do people agree with me that most modern catholic priests in Ireland are the best people in the world? I feel sorry for
priests like the one in Donegal who took care of my grandmother when she was sick and lonely.

Ps I'm not a religious person at all.

m@cc@ wrote: »

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny anymore.

Just the reason i wrote my response

TROLLS! TROLLS! KILL THE TROLLS!!!!!!!!!

KingLoser

Homosexuals Joe, in our town.

m@cc@

bigbadbear wrote: »

Do people agree with me that most modern catholic priests in Ireland are the best people in the world? I feel sorry for
priests like the one in Donegal who took care of my grandmother when she was sick and lonely.

Ps I'm not a religious person at all.

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

I look it at like this. Take for instance Manchester United, most fans of the club hate the owners - the Glazers - who control the club. The hatred mostly comes from how they are running the club. It doesn't automatically follow that you should hate Wayne Rooney or the club due to the actions of other players.

heffomike54

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm



So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Another great reason to stay away from the church.:mad:

jill_valentine

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

You can be Christian without being part of the Catholic Church - you cannot be Catholic without being part of the Catholic church by the very nature of the term.

At this stage, no Catholic can pretend not to be aware of the extent of the abuses within the institution in the recent past, nor can they possibly argue that the church are taking these crimes seriously or dealing with them appropriately now.

If somebody is able to look at these things with their eyes open and say "Yes, this is a group I will continue to support finanically and ideologically", then to my mind they are complicit in the continuing injustice this organisation has committed against the people placed in it's care and the contempt it continues to show for the communities it is supposed to be serving.

There is no separating the church from the religion.

m@cc@

jill_valentine wrote: »

You can be Christian without being part of the Catholic Church - you cannot be Catholic without being part of the Catholic church by the very nature of the term.

Of course you can, Catholicism existed before Martin Luther you know?

Wiki wrote:

Catholicism is a broad term for the body of the Catholic faith, its theologies and doctrines, its liturgical, ethical, spiritual, and behavioral characteristics, as well as a religious people as a whole

CiaranC

Last week it was the Jews fault, now its the Gays fault. Its everyones fault except Father O'Fiddler and his bosses

Dave!

CiaranC wrote: »

Last week it was the Jews fault, now its the Gays fault. Its everyones fault except Father O'Fiddler and his bosses

That's an unfortunate name for a priest

Xluna

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm



So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Xluna

m@cc@ wrote: »

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny anymore.

This is so true,I had to quote and comment. Imagine if someone started a thread here saying the reason priests were raping kids was due to the "fags" . It'd be locked in five minutes as a troll thread. Anyway, I thought they were blaming the atheists?

Memnoch

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

I look it at like this. Take for instance Manchester United, most fans of the club hate the owners - the Glazers - who control the club. The hatred mostly comes from how they are running the club. It doesn't automatically follow that you should hate Wayne Rooney or the club due to the actions of other players.

You're both right AND wrong. The problem isn't spirituality or the belief in a or many god/gods, the problem MOST DEFINITELY is RELIGION.

Men appropriate spirituality, our need for belief and use organised religion to advance their own agendas and their power. The reason the Catholic chruch has been able to get away practically scot free throughout history with everything it has done is because of religion. Because individuals, led by their faith, lend their support to it, have lent their support to it. This gives them the power to act with impunity. If they didn't have so many followers you think they would have been able to do what they did, or not held to account?

Believe in a god if you wish, pray, exercise your spirituality. But shed the shackles of organised religion. Don't allow MEN to use your belief.

Churches, mosques, temples, priests, imams, cardinals, popes, these are the problems. If you truly believe in god, you don't need these charlatans to help you find him.

And that is what ANY man who claims to spread the word of god is. A charlatan.

m@cc@

Memnoch wrote: »

You're both right AND wrong. The problem isn't spirituality or the belief in a or many god/gods, the problem MOST DEFINITELY is RELIGION.

Men appropriate spirituality, our need for belief and use organised religion to advance their own agendas and their power. The reason the Catholic chruch has been able to get away practically scot free throughout history with everything it has done is because of religion. Because individuals, led by their faith, lend their support to it, have lent their support to it. This gives them the power to act with impunity. If they didn't have so many followers you think they would have been able to do what they did, or not held to account?

Believe in a god if you wish, pray, exercise your spirituality. But shed the shackles of organised religion. Don't allow MEN to use your belief.

Churches, mosques, temples, priests, imams, cardinals, popes, these are the problems. If you truly believe in god, you don't need these charlatans to help you find him.

And that is what ANY man who claims to spread the word of god is. A charlatan.

Very prophetic. :P

Memnoch

m@cc@ wrote: »

Very prophetic. :P

I'm not religious in the least myself, but I respect the right of others to spiritual belief.

What I can't accept is political organisations, masquerading as benevolent benefactors, bartering in spirituality with the sole purpose of furthering their own selfish ends.

This is what pretty much every single religious organisation has done throughout history, except perhaps the Buddhists.

By participating in organised religion, people give these institutions power. Power that is invariably misused. I should think the solution would be obvious.

bronte

Is there anyone they won't blame?

It's beyond pathetic at this stage.

sponsoredwalk

I think it's time to start throwing christians to the lions again.

How does a high ranking man get away with a comment like that????

toomevara

Wow, just when you think they can't possibly make themselves seem any more dislikeable/barmy...blaming homosexuality for paedophilia, you might as well blame hetrosexuality for rape....outlandish, absurd, beyond the pale....Boy am I glad I took my leave of that shower of loons, hypocrits and apologists for/facilitators of, child abuse many years ago.....shocking.

henryporter

Well they're just throwing that one out there for the converted, who let's face it, want to believe everything and anything at this stage, so long as it protects their little club. Dostoevsky was right - if Jebus came back they would hang him too

Dyr

I thought the problem was'nt that there was paedo's in the church but that the church was covering up for said paedo's?

Do poofs cause cover ups too?

Joey the lips

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm



So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

Dravokivich

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone had said homosexuality, not celibacy, lay behind the child sex abuse scandals....

So they're blaming the Greeks?

Delirium

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

no, it's a pedophile priest that is the abuser. There are unfortunately a lot of girls also who were abused by male priests.

Where's Jakass?
It's like he avoids the threads that show how disgusting the church is.. The more I hear these stories, the more I hate catholics. How can anyone give these fukers money every week.

Memnoch

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

I was wondering if someone would be bold enough to actually try and defend the Cardinal's position on this.

So you're solution would be to not allow homosexuals to become priests right?

Mr Benevolent

If the cause of the abuse is homosexuals then why were girls abused by priests as well?

m@cc@

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

It's a shame the Vatican weren't as proactive in dealing with paedophilia as they are about finding out the reasons 40 or 50 years after the events.

Joey the lips

koth wrote: »

no, it's a pedophile priest that is the abuser. There are unfortunately a lot of girls also who were abused by male priests.

You have still missed the point. The purposes of the article was to show there is no link with celabacy and the deplorable acts.

Memnoch wrote: »

I was wondering if someone would be bold enough to actually try and defend the Cardinal's position on this.

So you're solution would be to not allow homosexuals to become priests right?

That someone is not me. so look elswhere. I have no problem with homosexuals gays or indeed priests marrying and I believe that as a christian and a catholic one that if my god is a god of true love either would he.

Did i indicate i had a problem with homosexuality.... No

I simply pointed out the context of the article.

Dancor

A few weeks ago it was the devils fault :rolleyes: Sure didnt they say he was at work in the vatican.

Joey the lips

Deleted User wrote: »

Where's Jakass?
It's like he avoids the threads that show how disgusting the church is.. The more I hear these stories, the more I hate catholics. How can anyone give these fukers money every week.

Jakkass has contested to being church of ireland.... Next :rolleyes:

m@cc@

Joey the lips wrote: »

Jakkass has contested to being church of ireland.... Next :rolleyes:

Wait, he is or he isn't?

Delirium

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have still missed the point. The purposes of the article was to show there is no link with celabacy and the deplorable acts.

Really?? So explain why other branches of the Christian faith that allow priests to marry don't have such a large number of child abuse cases.

m@cc@

koth wrote: »

Really?? So explain why other branches of the Christian faith that allow priests to marry don't have such a large number of child abuse cases.

Obviously, because they make sure to weed out the homos before they let them join.

Biggins

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm

So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Well they have to blame some else possibly responsible for this week.
Nominations for who they will blame next week?

Rabies wrote: »

Is this about the church covering up the past wrongs or about homosexuality being a cause for child abuse in the church?
What about the nuns that have done it too? Are they lesbians?

Should we beat them with double ended dildos and choke them with cock rings?

Yes and yes.

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

They are so amazingly out of touch with reality it would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious.

"Out of touch" - I'd say they were TOO in touch with some!

m@cc@ wrote: »

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny any more.

Was never funny in the first place. Not posting/commenting/drawing it to peoples attention on it however reminds me of a famous saying!

"Evil persists while good men do nothing."

bigbadbear wrote: »

*Sigh* EEEEEEEJITS like this is why there are so many sad people posting in the atheists forum saying "death to the catholics" I still cant understand why the real catholics dont uprise against these cúnts. A 'true catholic' is like the ideal person (apart from the anti condom fascination which is totally weird and unrelated to anything that 'our lord' ever preached) These sickos are ruining something that is an asset to Ireland.

Do people agree with me that most modern catholic priests in Ireland are the best people in the world? I feel sorry for
priests like the one in Donegal who took care of my grandmother when she was sick and lonely.

Complacency + local level brainwashing = Status quo.

KingLoser wrote: »

Homosexuals Joe, in our town.

Either that or "Boys Town"

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

I look it at like this. Take for instance Manchester United, most fans of the club hate the owners - the Glazers - who control the club. The hatred mostly comes from how they are running the club. It doesn't automatically follow that you should hate Wayne Rooney or the club due to the actions of other players.

True. Sadly some hatred is systemic from unfounded stupid "paint one as all" mentality.

heffomike54 wrote: »

Another great reason to stay away from the church.:mad:

...you mean besides the whole Jesus "story" being yet again just a repetition of previous historic figures?

jill_valentine wrote: »

You can be Christian without being part of the Catholic Church - you cannot be Catholic without being part of the Catholic church by the very nature of the term.

At this stage, no Catholic can pretend not to be aware of the extent of the abuses within the institution in the recent past, nor can they possibly argue that the church are taking these crimes seriously or dealing with them appropriately now.

If somebody is able to look at these things with their eyes open and say "Yes, this is a group I will continue to support finanically and ideologically", then to my mind they are complicit in the continuing injustice this organisation has committed against the people placed in it's care and the contempt it continues to show for the communities it is supposed to be serving.

There is no separating the church from the religion.

Hell, they can't even separate real fact from the fiction they are coming up with weekly at the present rate.

m@cc@ wrote: »

Of course you can, Catholicism existed before Martin Luther you know?

...It just wasn't as organised like a mafia mob!

CiaranC wrote: »

Last week it was the Jews fault, now its the Gays fault. Its everyones fault except Father O'Fiddler and his bosses

You got it summed up nicely. Its everyones elses fault but Rome's

Xluna wrote: »

This is so true,I had to quote and comment. Imagine if someone started a thread here saying the reason priests were raping kids was due to the "fags" . It'd be locked in five minutes as a troll thread. Anyway, I thought they were blaming the atheists?

The "atheists" were last week.
You really have to try and keep up with these ejits in Rome...

Memnoch wrote: »

You're both right AND wrong. The problem isn't spirituality or the belief in a or many god/gods, the problem MOST DEFINITELY is RELIGION.

Men appropriate spirituality, our need for belief and use organised religion to advance their own agendas and their power. The reason the Catholic chruch has been able to get away practically scot free throughout history with everything it has done is because of religion. Because individuals, led by their faith, lend their support to it, have lent their support to it. This gives them the power to act with impunity. If they didn't have so many followers you think they would have been able to do what they did, or not held to account?

Believe in a god if you wish, pray, exercise your spirituality. But shed the shackles of organised religion. Don't allow MEN to use your belief.

Churches, mosques, temples, priests, imams, cardinals, popes, these are the problems. If you truly believe in god, you don't need these charlatans to help you find him.

And that is what ANY man who claims to spread the word of god is. A charlatan.

... in other words - the short version: "power corrupts"

m@cc@ wrote: »

Very prophetic. :P

...don't say that. Some one will start another religion over such words!

Memnoch wrote: »

I'm not religious in the least myself, but I respect the right of others to spiritual belief.

What I can't accept is political organisations, masquerading as benevolent benefactors, bartering in spirituality with the sole purpose of furthering their own selfish ends.

This is what pretty much every single religious organisation has done throughout history, except perhaps the Buddhists.

By participating in organised religion, people give these institutions power. Power that is invariably misused. I should think the solution would be obvious.

Yep, Send in Jedward. That will have them running.

bronte wrote: »

Is there anyone they won't blame?
It's beyond pathetic at this stage.

Nope, its "pass the buck" time again.

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

I think it's time to start throwing Christians to the lions again.
How does a high ranking man get away with a comment like that????

Well if we can have "Muppets in space", we can have muppets in front of a microphone or a PR office issuing papal edicts.

toomevara wrote: »

Wow, just when you think they can't possibly make themselves seem any more dislikeable/barmy...blaming homosexuality for paedophilia, you might as well blame hetrosexuality for rape....outlandish, absurd, beyond the pale....Boy am I glad I took my leave of that shower of loons, hypocrits and apologists for/facilitators of, child abuse many years ago.....shocking.

Your lucky, I hear next week they are up for blaming Simon Cowell.

henryporter wrote: »

Well they're just throwing that one out there for the converted, who let's face it, want to believe everything and anything at this stage, so long as it protects their little club. Dostoevsky was right - if Jebus came back they would hang him too

Have they blamed Dostoevsky yet? Maybe he's still on the list then!

Bambi wrote: »

I thought the problem was'nt that there was paedo's in the church but that the church was covering up for said paedo's?

Do poofs cause cover ups too?

Yes to the first part - and to the second: ...No, but I hear they are teaching the CIA/MI5/MI6/NSA/etc lessons now on how to re-write history.

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

Shock - horror. A gay priest!!! Gawd he must be to blame for the (w)hole thing! :rolleyes:

Dravokivich wrote: »

So they're blaming the Greeks?

Tut-tut. They were on last months list of who to blame.
Your really not keeping up with the latest list are you? Bold boy, bend over and prepare to receive your punishment!

bernardo mac

Cardinal Bertone and many of his ilk in the Catholic Church have a very serious problem:Sex I doubt if he and many of the same collar were told the facts of life when they were young.

Joey the lips

koth wrote: »

Really?? So explain why other branches of the Christian faith that allow priests to marry don't have such a large number of child abuse cases.

Me personally... because the state coluded with the church and the church hiarachy hid it. But that was not the purpose of the article. The purpose of the article is to point out that being celabit is not a reason for abuse... Do you disagree with that statement....

That a celabit person is an abuser....????

m@cc@

henryporter wrote: »

Dostoevsky was right - if Jebus came back they would hang him too

I read an interesting article in the Spectator last week which attested to this. Jesus is a major embarrassment to the Catholic church. He was the antithesis to everything the Church stands for.

Joey the lips

Biggins wrote: »

Shock - horror. A gay priest!!! Gawd he must be to blame for the (w)hole thing! :rolleyes:

I never said that the article did... and it is a valid point that to hide there sexuality they went into the priest hood. Do you dispute this fact or do you blame the church for the fact that they had to hide there gayness from the community....

See this is the problem. The whole society based around the church huieffectivly acted as an environment to carry the abuse on. Not that I am saying that joe public was to blame but society of the time did nothing to protect or stop it..... and yes it was know....

Le King

Ugh, the Vatican.

m@cc@

Joey the lips wrote: »

See this is the problem. The whole society based around the church huieffectivly acted as an environment to carry the abuse on. Not that I am saying that joe public was to blame but society of the time did nothing to protect or stop it..... and yes it was know....

So the public should act as moral guidance for the church?


























Hang on a second! :eek:

Sean Quagmire

Dancor wrote: »

A few weeks ago it was the devils fault :rolleyes: Sure didnt they say he was at work in the vatican.

The Devil must have caught teh ghey

Joey the lips

m@cc@ wrote: »

So the public should act as moral guidance for the church?




Hang on a second! :eek:

i dont know should it. Personally for me its god that is the guidence. However the state used the church to look after orphonages, homes and various institutions so really you wonder if the state was happy to let the church look after its mess and make moral decent people out of all this trash.....


You see how easy people pass responsability...

m@cc@

Joey the lips wrote: »

i dont know should it. Personally for me its god that is the guidence. However the state used the church to look after orphonages, homes and various institutions so really you wonder if the state was happy to let the church look after its mess and make moral decent people out of all this trash.....


You see how easy people pass responsability...

If the public have to educate and control the church in terms of morality and decency, then what exactly is the church's purpose?

Memnoch

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have still missed the point. The purposes of the article was to show there is no link with celabacy and the deplorable acts.



That someone is not me. so look elswhere. I have no problem with homosexuals gays or indeed priests marrying and I believe that as a christian and a catholic one that if my god is a god of true love either would he.

Did i indicate i had a problem with homosexuality.... No

I simply pointed out the context of the article.

What are you on about? The purpose of the BBC article was to quote what the Cardinal said.

And the cardinal said that he believed there was no link between celibacy and clerical abuse, but that in fact there was a link between homosexuality and clerical abuse.

This serves 2 purposes. 1) Shift the blame onto homosexuality and further the church's agenda against homosexuals.
2) To argue that celibacy is not the problem and thus protect a long established aspect of priesthood.

No one is missing the point here, we get what the cardinal is saying. We just find it quite deplorable.

sponsoredwalk

Lets hope Dick and Hitch arrest the fu*ker* when they go to England later this year :pac:

http://skepchick.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/badboys-205x300.jpg

Biggins

...We're on that roundabout again, aren't we!

Memnoch

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm



So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Another ranting from a senile old man I see [not you!...that cardinal!]
It's a pity because the majority [including good priests who are like it or lump it also the majority there] of people in that church are sullied by the significant minority of abusers in the ranks.
The problem with the catholic church could be fixed with one simple directive.
Allow priests to marry and in fact insist that all future priests are married untill they form the majority.
That church for centuries has been an attraction for deviants and miscreants wanting to hide their deviancy and of course get close to children to practice it.
The senile old men that run it havent figured this out yet.
Those that have because of the promotion policy in the church are also senile old men and have forgotten by the time they can do anything about it.

Thankfully in 2010 in an age of multi widespread media,public opinion and the Law is catching up with the reluctant senile old men at the top and they have had to put measures in place to obey the law.
It won't stop the miscreants but it should root them out and is at last doing so.
Only allowing married people to become priests will alter the gene pool in that church such that they won't be afraid of dying out and as up to now be forced to welcome all sorts into their fold without question.

[I haven't read the rest of this thread because I expect it's full of the usual anti religion postings and using this as yet another vehicle to rant and rave about it...I say *yawn* to that.]

youcrazyjesus!

Agree with some posters. The RCC are trolling humanity. There is no other rational explanation. They've blamed the media, the Jews, "enemies of the Church" (by which they mean the media AND the Jews) and now it's homosexuality.

Andrew Sullivan (who I think is himself gay) sketched out a what he sees as a model of arrested development for young gay men which could be responsible for some abuse. It has nothing to do with homosexuality per se and a lot to do with the systemic failures of the RCC and their teachings on homsexuality.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/03/sin-or-crime.html

Institutionalized Cardinals can't see the wood for the trees though, blaming "homosexuality" is exactly the same thing as blaming "heterosexuality" in rape cases where a man is the perpetrator and a woman is the victim. It follows the exact same logic.

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youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

Institutionalized Cardinals can't see the wood for the trees

Oh I think they can