Vatican blames homosexuality for child abuse scandals

Memnoch · 14-04-2010 04:42AM #1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone had said homosexuality, not celibacy, lay behind the child sex abuse scandals....

'I have the documents'
Visiting the Chilean capital Santiago on Monday, Cardinal Bertone told a news conference: "Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and paedophilia but many others have demonstrated, I was told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia.
"That is true. I have the documents of the psychologists. That is the problem."

So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Rabies · 14-04-2010 04:45AM

Is this about the church covering up the past wrongs or about homosexuality being a cause for child abuse in the church?
What about the nuns that have done it too? Are they lesbians?

Should we beat them with double ended dildos and choke them with cock rings?

smellslikeshoes · 14-04-2010 04:46AM

They are so amazingly out of touch with reality it would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious.

m@cc@ · 14-04-2010 04:48AM

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny anymore.

bigbadbear · 14-04-2010 05:22AM

*Sigh* EEEEEEEJITS like this is why there are so many sad people posting in the atheists forum saying "death to the catholics" I still cant understand why the real catholics dont uprise against these cúnts. A 'true catholic' is like the ideal person (apart from the anti condom fascination which is totally weird and unrelated to anything that 'our lord' ever preached) These sickos are ruining something that is an asset to Ireland.

Do people agree with me that most modern catholic priests in Ireland are the best people in the world? I feel sorry for
priests like the one in Donegal who took care of my grandmother when she was sick and lonely.

Ps I'm not a religious person at all.

m@cc@ wrote: »

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny anymore.

Just the reason i wrote my response

TROLLS! TROLLS! KILL THE TROLLS!!!!!!!!!

KingLoser · 14-04-2010 05:22AM

Homosexuals Joe, in our town.

m@cc@ · 14-04-2010 05:25AM

bigbadbear wrote: »

Do people agree with me that most modern catholic priests in Ireland are the best people in the world? I feel sorry for
priests like the one in Donegal who took care of my grandmother when she was sick and lonely.

Ps I'm not a religious person at all.

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

I look it at like this. Take for instance Manchester United, most fans of the club hate the owners - the Glazers - who control the club. The hatred mostly comes from how they are running the club. It doesn't automatically follow that you should hate Wayne Rooney or the club due to the actions of other players.

heffomike54 · 14-04-2010 05:41AM

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm

So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

Another great reason to stay away from the church.:mad:

jill_valentine · 14-04-2010 06:18AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

You can be Christian without being part of the Catholic Church - you cannot be Catholic without being part of the Catholic church by the very nature of the term.

At this stage, no Catholic can pretend not to be aware of the extent of the abuses within the institution in the recent past, nor can they possibly argue that the church are taking these crimes seriously or dealing with them appropriately now.

If somebody is able to look at these things with their eyes open and say "Yes, this is a group I will continue to support finanically and ideologically", then to my mind they are complicit in the continuing injustice this organisation has committed against the people placed in it's care and the contempt it continues to show for the communities it is supposed to be serving.

There is no separating the church from the religion.

m@cc@ · 14-04-2010 06:22AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

You can be Christian without being part of the Catholic Church - you cannot be Catholic without being part of the Catholic church by the very nature of the term.

Of course you can, Catholicism existed before Martin Luther you know?

Wiki wrote:

Catholicism is a broad term for the body of the Catholic faith, its theologies and doctrines, its liturgical, ethical, spiritual, and behavioral characteristics, as well as a religious people as a whole

CiaranC · 14-04-2010 06:23AM

Last week it was the Jews fault, now its the Gays fault. Its everyones fault except Father O'Fiddler and his bosses

Dave! · 14-04-2010 06:35AM

CiaranC wrote: »

Last week it was the Jews fault, now its the Gays fault. Its everyones fault except Father O'Fiddler and his bosses

That's an unfortunate name for a priest

Xluna · 14-04-2010 06:55AM

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm

So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

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Xluna · 14-04-2010 06:59AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

The Vatican and the Catholic church should be banned from being mentioned on boards. They've become such trolls, it's not funny anymore.

This is so true,I had to quote and comment. Imagine if someone started a thread here saying the reason priests were raping kids was due to the "fags" . It'd be locked in five minutes as a troll thread. Anyway, I thought they were blaming the atheists?

Memnoch · 14-04-2010 07:06AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'd go along with that. People have difficulty separating the church from the religion.

I look it at like this. Take for instance Manchester United, most fans of the club hate the owners - the Glazers - who control the club. The hatred mostly comes from how they are running the club. It doesn't automatically follow that you should hate Wayne Rooney or the club due to the actions of other players.

You're both right AND wrong. The problem isn't spirituality or the belief in a or many god/gods, the problem MOST DEFINITELY is RELIGION.

Men appropriate spirituality, our need for belief and use organised religion to advance their own agendas and their power. The reason the Catholic chruch has been able to get away practically scot free throughout history with everything it has done is because of religion. Because individuals, led by their faith, lend their support to it, have lent their support to it. This gives them the power to act with impunity. If they didn't have so many followers you think they would have been able to do what they did, or not held to account?

Believe in a god if you wish, pray, exercise your spirituality. But shed the shackles of organised religion. Don't allow MEN to use your belief.

Churches, mosques, temples, priests, imams, cardinals, popes, these are the problems. If you truly believe in god, you don't need these charlatans to help you find him.

And that is what ANY man who claims to spread the word of god is. A charlatan.

m@cc@ · 14-04-2010 07:10AM

Memnoch wrote: »

You're both right AND wrong. The problem isn't spirituality or the belief in a or many god/gods, the problem MOST DEFINITELY is RELIGION.

Men appropriate spirituality, our need for belief and use organised religion to advance their own agendas and their power. The reason the Catholic chruch has been able to get away practically scot free throughout history with everything it has done is because of religion. Because individuals, led by their faith, lend their support to it, have lent their support to it. This gives them the power to act with impunity. If they didn't have so many followers you think they would have been able to do what they did, or not held to account?

Believe in a god if you wish, pray, exercise your spirituality. But shed the shackles of organised religion. Don't allow MEN to use your belief.

Churches, mosques, temples, priests, imams, cardinals, popes, these are the problems. If you truly believe in god, you don't need these charlatans to help you find him.

And that is what ANY man who claims to spread the word of god is. A charlatan.

Very prophetic. :P

Memnoch · 14-04-2010 07:24AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Very prophetic. :P

I'm not religious in the least myself, but I respect the right of others to spiritual belief.

What I can't accept is political organisations, masquerading as benevolent benefactors, bartering in spirituality with the sole purpose of furthering their own selfish ends.

This is what pretty much every single religious organisation has done throughout history, except perhaps the Buddhists.

By participating in organised religion, people give these institutions power. Power that is invariably misused. I should think the solution would be obvious.

bronte · 14-04-2010 07:31AM

Is there anyone they won't blame?

It's beyond pathetic at this stage.

sponsoredwalk · 14-04-2010 08:01AM

I think it's time to start throwing christians to the lions again.

How does a high ranking man get away with a comment like that????

toomevara · 14-04-2010 08:09AM

Wow, just when you think they can't possibly make themselves seem any more dislikeable/barmy...blaming homosexuality for paedophilia, you might as well blame hetrosexuality for rape....outlandish, absurd, beyond the pale....Boy am I glad I took my leave of that shower of loons, hypocrits and apologists for/facilitators of, child abuse many years ago.....shocking.

henryporter · 14-04-2010 08:09AM

Well they're just throwing that one out there for the converted, who let's face it, want to believe everything and anything at this stage, so long as it protects their little club. Dostoevsky was right - if Jebus came back they would hang him too

Dyr · 14-04-2010 08:27AM

I thought the problem was'nt that there was paedo's in the church but that the church was covering up for said paedo's?

Do poofs cause cover ups too?

Joey the lips · 14-04-2010 08:32AM

Memnoch wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8618878.stm

So it's not the fact that the church as an institution, covered up the on going abuse, time after time. It's those evul homosexuals, they obviously came too close to the priests and infected them with their disease. Probably did it on purpose too, because everyone knows. Homosexualz hate kidz.

Not surprised at this latest side-stepping by the Chruch, they continue a long standing holy tradition of avoiding the truth and not admitting their wrong doings. If only they had a bit more power, like they did a couple of hundred years ago, I'm sure a few lynchings in the street and burning alives and torture extracted "confessions" from homosexuals would lay the blame for clerical child abuse where, clearly, it really belongs

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

Dravokivich · 14-04-2010 08:35AM

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone had said homosexuality, not celibacy, lay behind the child sex abuse scandals....

So they're blaming the Greeks?

Delirium · 14-04-2010 08:39AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

no, it's a pedophile priest that is the abuser. There are unfortunately a lot of girls also who were abused by male priests.

14-04-2010 08:44AM

Where's Jakass?
It's like he avoids the threads that show how disgusting the church is.. The more I hear these stories, the more I hate catholics. How can anyone give these fukers money every week.

Memnoch · 14-04-2010 08:45AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

I was wondering if someone would be bold enough to actually try and defend the Cardinal's position on this.

So you're solution would be to not allow homosexuals to become priests right?

Mr Benevolent · 14-04-2010 08:50AM

If the cause of the abuse is homosexuals then why were girls abused by priests as well?

m@cc@ · 14-04-2010 08:50AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have misunderstood the article. :rolleyes: There is no doubt that the church covered up but the underlying point was a celebit priest is not an abuser its a homo priest. Its widlely accepted that "gay" priests went into the church.

It's a shame the Vatican weren't as proactive in dealing with paedophilia as they are about finding out the reasons 40 or 50 years after the events.

Joey the lips · 14-04-2010 08:54AM

koth wrote: »

no, it's a pedophile priest that is the abuser. There are unfortunately a lot of girls also who were abused by male priests.

You have still missed the point. The purposes of the article was to show there is no link with celabacy and the deplorable acts.

Memnoch wrote: »

I was wondering if someone would be bold enough to actually try and defend the Cardinal's position on this.

So you're solution would be to not allow homosexuals to become priests right?

That someone is not me. so look elswhere. I have no problem with homosexuals gays or indeed priests marrying and I believe that as a christian and a catholic one that if my god is a god of true love either would he.

Did i indicate i had a problem with homosexuality.... No

I simply pointed out the context of the article.

Dancor · 14-04-2010 08:54AM

A few weeks ago it was the devils fault :rolleyes: Sure didnt they say he was at work in the vatican.

Vatican blames homosexuality for child abuse scandals

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