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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • #19382
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Rossi was one of the best finishers at the club though :) And look at him now, doing very well in Spain.

    I think realistically at least one, perhaps two, of Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf will be going out on loan. However, I think with the squad number situation, we're much more liekly to see Owen being sold. Easy money and not a huge loss to the squad.


  • #19383
    Vanbis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Vanbis


    timetogetfit wrote: »
    I wouldnt mind if we signed milnar from villa too

    I don't think Milnar is the answer, we need a top class ACM and he is not the answer.


  • #19384
    timetogetfit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭timetogetfit


    Vanbis wrote: »
    I don't think Milnar is the answer, we need a top class ACM and he is not the answer.

    I know what your saying, we need someone that can unlock a defense, someone very creative,those types of players are very hard to find plus you need to to play 5 in midfield to accomodate those types of players, I said milnar because he is allround and would add goals

    Have you seen Ever Banega play, looks like what we need


  • #19385
    Vanbis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Vanbis


    timetogetfit wrote: »

    Have you seen Ever Banega play, looks like what we need

    Not seeing him play just heard from Manutd fans on here like you about him. Gonna watch Valenica tonight to see what he is like out of interest.


  • #19386
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    At the minute we have berbatov, owen, kiko, diouf, wellbeck and hernandez looking for places on the bench. Plus any players that can get promoted from the youth system. I can imagine rooney dropping deep in the mc clair/ young scholes role.

    Rooney is much better up front. This season has proved that I think. His nature means he will put in too much work and f he played in any kind of midfield role he wold end up at left-back, right-back and everywhere. He is best in and around the box.

    United should sign a player instead to play in the role you are talking about. They need a spark of creativity to replace Scholes, plus somebody that can retain the ball.


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  • #19387
    neil_18_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭neil_18_


    Headshot wrote: »
    mitch any link to where saf mention owen would be with us next season ?

    no rush or anything, im off anyway

    Owen said on Sky Sports at the Liverpool match that he would be staying for next season.


  • #19388
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,491 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    timetogetfit wrote: »
    I know what your saying, we need someone that can unlock a defense, someone very creative,those types of players are very hard to find plus you need to to play 5 in midfield to accomodate those types of players, I said milnar because he is allround and would add goals

    Have you seen Ever Banega play, looks like what we need

    Pricey.


  • #19389
    TonyD79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭TonyD79


    Spud83 wrote: »
    Fergie talks a load of crap about youngsters regularly. Like Rossi being one of the best finishers at the club, yet Fergie never gave him a chance.



    Young players being used to generate cash, we have been doing it for years.

    I'd rather judge Fergie on his actions rather than words and in that regard, name the last striker to break through the youth system and get a spot in the first team?

    Rossi wanted to a starting place when RVN was the lone striker so he asked to move.The same with Pique who wasnt gonna play ahead of Vidic/Rio at the time.They didnt want to hang around like Fletcher/Gibson.Rossi wouldnt be starting now ahead of Rooney.Manucho wasnt up to it for starters if your comparing him to Diouf.With Fergie looking for youth rather than shelling out big fees theres every chance a young striker will get his chance.Kiko is only 18 for instance when Ronaldo only started doing the business at 21/22?.


  • #19390
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    There's no chance of Kiko being sold in the next 3 years imo.


  • #19391
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    keane2097 wrote: »
    There's no chance of Kiko being sold in the next 3 years imo.

    It's a bit early to say when anyone will think he will be sold... I think he'll let him try to bed into the team over the next two seasons or so. After that Fergie and everybody else will know what to do.


    But for the record I think Welbeck is gone in the Summer.


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  • #19392
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Osu wrote: »
    It's a bit early to say when anyone will think he will be sold... I think he'll let him try to bed into the team over the next two seasons or so. After that Fergie and everybody else will know what to do.

    He's 18.

    There's no way in the world he's on a bed in over two seasons or you're out timeframe imo.

    He'll be two years younger than Nani is now after two more seasons.


  • #19393
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    keane2097 wrote: »
    He's 18.

    There's no way in the world he's on a bed in over two seasons or you're out timeframe imo.

    He'll be two years younger than Nani is now after two more seasons.

    Seriously, get with football now-a-days man.

    Fergie will know in two years if he's growing as a footballer. If not, he'll review the situation.

    Rossi was given til he was 20 to prove himself... He didn't, he was sold.


    I'm not going to get into the whole examples game her but seriously, you sound as if you haven't a clue. You don't get that much time at United.


  • #19394
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Osu wrote: »
    Seriously, get with football now-a-days man.

    Fergie will know in two years if he's growing as a footballer. If not, he'll review the situation.

    Rossi was given til he was 20 to prove himself... He didn't, he was sold.


    I'm not going to get into the whole examples game her but seriously, you sound as if you haven't a clue. You don't get that much time at United.

    Pretty much everything you've said in that post is demonstrably false.

    I can go through it point by point if you want.


  • #19395
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Osu wrote: »
    Seriously, get with football now-a-days man.

    Fergie will know in two years if he's growing as a footballer. If not, he'll review the situation.

    Rossi was given til he was 20 to prove himself... He didn't, he was sold.


    I'm not going to get into the whole examples game her but seriously, you sound as if you haven't a clue. You don't get that much time at United.

    Maybe if Kiko had been given the chance to prove himself this year and failed there would be a chance of him being sold this summer, but he has been injured near all season, and only made a couple of appearances as a 17year old last season. No way Fergie is looking to sell him this summer, maybe loan, thats it.


  • #19396
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Pretty much everything you've said in that post is demonstrably false.

    I can go through it point by point if you want.

    Go ahead dude. Prove that Rossi being sold at 20 was false.

    Prove that footballers, mainly strikers in this case get to twine around one of the World's biggest clubs until they are ready at 23+.

    But sure I'm sure you can flood examples of that.

    I think you will find that these points are demonstrably true...


  • #19397
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Osu wrote: »
    Go ahead dude. Prove that Rossi being sold at 20 was false.

    Prove that footballers, mainly strikers in this case get to twine around one of the World's biggest clubs until they are ready at 23+.

    But sure I'm sure you can flood examples of that.

    I think you will find that these points are demonstrably true...

    Fergie said he wanted to keep Rossi but that Rossi wanted first team football. He wasn't sold because United thought he wasn't good enough, he was sold cause he didn't want to fight for a place at United.


  • #19398
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Fergie said he wanted to keep Rossi but that Rossi wanted first team football. He wasn't sold because United thought he wasn't good enough, he was sold cause he didn't want to fight for a place at United.

    And Macheda won't want first team football because?


    EDIT: And if he was good enough he would of been in the first team. Macheda's already made more league appearances than Rossi.


  • #19399
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Fergie said he wanted to keep Rossi but that Rossi wanted first team football. He wasn't sold because United thought he wasn't good enough, he was sold cause he didn't want to fight for a place at United.

    Thanks Mitch - saves me the effort of typing on the phone :)


  • #19400
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Osu wrote: »
    And Macheda won't want first team football because?

    You're blatanty changing the goalposts of your argument and it's lame.

    You're wrong and should just let it go IMO.


  • #19401
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Osu wrote: »
    And Macheda won't want first team football because?

    Look through my posts last night - I said I felt there was a good chance of Kiko being loaned out.

    I don't see him being sold this summer. He is still young and still very much developing. Having missed this season through injury, i don't see Fergie giving up on him after about 4 months of time with the first team squad.


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  • #19402
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    keane2097 wrote: »
    You're blatanty changing the goalposts of your argument and it's lame.

    You're wrong and should just let it go IMO.

    Read my edit. And tbf you haven't proved any of my points false. I'd like to see you go ahead and do that.

    The only thing that has been lame so far are you have gutless attempts to prove my points wrong, which you haven't.


  • #19403
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Look through my posts last night - I said I felt there was a good chance of Kiko being loaned out.

    I don't see him being sold this summer. He is still young and still very much developing. Having missed this season through injury, i don't see Fergie giving up on him after about 4 months of time with the first team squad.

    I'm talking two years time, you can read my edit as well. Macheda has already made more appearances than Rossi. In two years.... Keane seems to think he'll get 4-5 years :rolleyes:


  • #19404
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Osu wrote: »
    I'm talking two years time, you can read my edit as well. Macheda has already made more appearances than Rossi. In two years.... Keane seems to think he'll get 4-5 years :rolleyes:

    well yeah, i agree with that so - Kiko will need to prove himself over the next two years. Possibly out on loan this coming season and back at United the following. If he doesn't show himself to be a reliable striker that following season he would probably be for the chopping block.


  • #19405
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    well yeah, i agree with that so - Kiko will need to prove himself over the next two years. Possibly out on loan this coming season and back at United the following. If he doesn't show himself to be a reliable striker that following season he would probably be for the chopping block.

    That was my point. Glad somebody agrees. But, yeah, I reckon he needs to go on loan, unless he ends the season banging in a few, which I doubt he'll get the chance to do. So a loan looks good ATM


  • #19406
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Osu wrote: »
    Read my edit. And tbf you haven't proved any of my points false. I'd like to see you go ahead and do that.

    The only thing that has been lame so far are you have gutless attempts to prove my points wrong, which you haven't.

    I'm finding it hard to motivate myself tbh. "clueless" and "gutless" are two words you've come out with in the last couple of posts - it's a bit ridiculous tbh, it's just a difference of opinion, there's no need to get all weepy about it. "Gutless" like - god help us :rolleyes:

    The fact is, you're after claiming Kiko would be shipped out at 20 if he wasn't in the first team by then and tried to claim Rossi's transfer was proof that Fergie won't wait any longer than that for A striker to prove himself.

    The reality is that most people know Fergie wanted to keep Rossi to allow him to develop for another couple of seasons and allow him to develop further but Rossi made up his mind to move on.

    This is the exact opposite of what you claimed happened, and it shows it's unlikely to happen with Kiko either.


  • #19407
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    well yeah, i agree with that so - Kiko will need to prove himself over the next two years. Possibly out on loan this coming season and back at United the following. If he doesn't show himself to be a reliable striker that following season he would probably be for the chopping block.

    Unlike Rossi?


  • #19408
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,308 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Unlike Rossi?

    I'm not saying Kiko would have to cement his place in the starting line up in 2011/12 season, but he would have to prove himself a reliable 3rd/4th choice that season - a role he would also have to accept himself in order to stay.

    FU VALENCIA YOU FAFFING MORON.


  • #19409
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    I'm not saying Kiko would have to cement his place in the starting line up in 2011/12 season, but he would have to prove himself a reliable 3rd/4th choice that season - a role he would also have to accept himself in order to stay.

    He's pretty much at that level already tbh.

    He's certainly at a higher level than Rossi was at the time and Ferguson was happy to keep Rossi longer at that stage.


  • #19410
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Any of you lads watchin the match?


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  • #19411
    CR 7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭CR 7


    Dave! wrote: »
    Any of you lads watchin the match?

    :pac:

    There's a match on? The real action is right here.


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