after the next general election....

great_pretender · 11-04-2010 12:04PM #1

what are the chances that Fianna Fail will disassemble and cease to be?

what are the chances of a new political party being established to fill the void?

kraggy · 11-04-2010 12:07PM

Disassemble? Cease to be?

Fianna Fáil will get 25% of the vote in the next election, if not more.

No sign of them going anywhere.

biko · 11-04-2010 12:07PM

The chances are slim

PeterIanStaker · 11-04-2010 12:09PM

While I'd like them to go the way of the Irish Parlimentary Party, its extremely unlikely that they'll cease to exist. Which is unfortunate.

bazmaiden · 11-04-2010 12:10PM

dont think so,

they will probably just call themselves the "moving forward party" from now on

Biggins · 11-04-2010 12:10PM

great_pretender wrote: »

what are the chances that Fianna Fail will disassemble and cease to be?

what are the chances of a new political party being established to fill the void?

As Biko said, slim, very slim.
FF in particular are ruthless when it comes to stomping out any upcoming possible threats.

bonerm · 11-04-2010 12:10PM

great_pretender wrote: »

what are the chances that Fianna Fail will disassemble and cease to be?

What are the chances of turkeys voting for Xmas?

Biggins · 11-04-2010 12:11PM

bonerm wrote: »

What are the chances of turkeys voting for Xmas?

Dunno - but turkey's vote for Fianna Fail!
..So there might still be hope yet!

bonerm · 11-04-2010 12:14PM

It took plenty of gunfire to form them. I'd imagine it'll take plenty more to get rid of them.

El Siglo · 11-04-2010 12:16PM

Not a chance, Fianna Fáil are like the Catholic Church - everyone hates them now but will still turn to them when it suits. I detest Fianna Fáil but there's enough fucking idiots in this country that will vote for them.

PeterIanStaker · 11-04-2010 12:19PM

El Siglo wrote: »

Not a chance, Fianna Fáil are like the Catholic Church - everyone hates them now but will still turn to them when it suits. I detest Fianna Fáil but there's enough fucking idiots in this country that will vote for them.

As the song says, Sad but True.

25% is obviously 25% too much, but never underestimate stupidity, and also remember that the weak minded can be very stubborn.

rossie1977 · 11-04-2010 12:21PM

you are kidding right

fianna fail will win next election, 90% of their supporters won't change sides because

1.they believe fianna fail to be the only true irish party, dev and all that :rolleyes:
2.fine gael are the blueshirts and thus voting for them is anti-irish, labour are a bunch of commie socialists
3.the others would do a worse job, all the others do is moan and complain
4.ah sure its not fianna fail/haugheys, berties fault :mad:
5.i have voted fianna fail all my life, my parents voted fianna fail, not going to change now

ask a fianna fail supporter 40 or over why they vote the way they do and i guarantee at least 1 of these will crop up

PeterIanStaker · 11-04-2010 12:23PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

1.they believe fianna fail to be the only true irish party, dev and all that :rolleyes:
2.fine gael are the blueshirts and thus voting for them is anti-irish, labour are a bunch of commie socialists
3.the others would do a worse job, all the others do is moan and complain
4.ah sure its not fianna fail/haugheys, berties fault :mad:
5.i have voted fianna fail all my life, my parents voted fianna fail, not going to change now

5 reasons why my above post is valid. Thanks:D

problemchimp · 11-04-2010 12:40PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

you are kidding right

fianna fail will win next election, 90% of their supporters won't change sides because

1.they believe fianna fail to be the only true irish party, dev and all that :rolleyes:
2.fine gael are the blueshirts and thus voting for them is anti-irish, labour are a bunch of commie socialists
3.the others would do a worse job, all the others do is moan and complain
4.ah sure its not fianna fail/haugheys, berties fault :mad:
5.i have voted fianna fail all my life, my parents voted fianna fail, not going to change now

ask a fianna fail supporter 40 or over why they vote the way they do and i guarantee at least 1 of these will crop up

Very sad but very true.

great_pretender · 11-04-2010 12:41PM

I think that public opinion is very much anti FF now.. they have the knack of breaking the bad news after the election, but with our new financial regulator in place... and doing his job by the looks of it, there is no way FF can keep any of his actions and recommendations out of the headlines... it will be impossible for them to put a positive spin on things....

and if what happened last week in Ennis at the TUI rally is anything to gauge FF's popularity by, then I think the 25% of supporters they say they have, were sitting very tight mouthed in the audience of 400+ who were in attendance...

25% of the vote? I beg to differ

If there was ever a time for a new political party with a fresh manifesto, it is now

orourkeda · 11-04-2010 12:43PM

great_pretender wrote: »

what are the chances that Fianna Fail will disassemble and cease to be?

what are the chances of a new political party being established to fill the void?

And have another PD Party? I don't think so.

There's more chance of them winning the next election than going out of business so to speak

Biggins · 11-04-2010 12:47PM

What I have noticed is that FF folk are now trying to run themselves as independents now while FF are getting such a bad name.
So at the next election, watch out. Many will try to pull the wool over the eyes of the public yet again.
And once there is a chance that the FF org can gain a foothold again, the sudden "independents" (but once FF) will be back to them in a flash.

For example, there is one well known character in Co Louth that ran some time back for a local council position. He (and his other half) was and is FF true and true, but prior to his putting his name forwards for selection by the public, he was suddenly an independent.
I know this person very well and I have no doubts - whatsoever - that if tomorrow FF was in favour again, he would switch alliance faster than a pope could smuggle Bishop Casey out of Ireland again.

El Siglo · 11-04-2010 12:50PM

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

As the song says, Sad but True.

25% is obviously 25% too much, but never underestimate stupidity, and also remember that the weak minded can be very stubborn.

And also easily manipulated, as put forward by this idea and practiced by this chap.

paddyland · 11-04-2010 01:09PM

If de Valera was still around, what would he do?

He'd do what he did before, simply walk away from Fianna Fáil, and start a new party.

And screw the country all over again.

rossie1977 · 11-04-2010 01:22PM

great_pretender wrote: »

If there was ever a time for a new political party with a fresh manifesto, it is now

adding another centre left party into a sea of centre left parties isn't going to change anything

RMD · 11-04-2010 01:26PM

I'd quite like to see a party with balls appear and take control of this country, because right now the vast majority of politicians in the Dail are a pack of idiots without the balls to do something about this country and the mess it's in.

Bring in Fascism I say.

corkcomp · 11-04-2010 01:28PM

El Siglo wrote: »

Not a chance, Fianna Fáil are like the Catholic Church - everyone hates them now but will still turn to them when it suits. I detest Fianna Fáil but there's enough fucking idiots in this country that will vote for them.

my thoughs exactly .. I wouldnt be a bit surprised if they managed to get voted in again along with some small party dumb enough to enter a coalition + some independants..

galwayrush · 11-04-2010 01:39PM

paddyland wrote: »

If de Valera was still around, what would he do?

He'd do what he did before, simply walk away from Fianna Fáil, and start a new party.

And screw the country all over again.

The Church would also have total controll over him, like they had when he was around.

El Siglo · 11-04-2010 01:43PM

If you want FF out, you have to have a revolution. They're too well established to be voted out. Sounds mad but like everything else that's wrong with this country, changing the systems in place is required.

galwayrush · 11-04-2010 01:44PM

El Siglo wrote: »

If you want FF out, you have to have a revolution. They're too well established to be voted out. Sounds mad but like everything else that's wrong with this country, changing the systems in place is required.

I blame inbreeding.:pac:

rossie1977 · 11-04-2010 01:49PM

RMD wrote: »

Bring in Fascism I say.

fascism would never work in this country

for one we as a people are just not patriotic enough, second we don't have any identifiable enemies as such, no jews, no commies, no arabs, no catalyans

and our military is too weak to implement any type of fascism

El Siglo · 11-04-2010 01:56PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

fascism would never work in this country

Certainly not...:rolleyes:

rossie wrote:

for one we as a people are just not patriotic enough,

We're not in the traditional DeValera sense anymore.

rossie wrote:

second we don't have any identifiable enemies as such, no jews, no commies, no arabs, no catalyans

You've forgotten this group and this group... they're kind of like our 'Jews'...;)

rossie wrote:

and our military is too weak to implement any type of fascism

So was this military until uncle Adolf came along.

aDeener · 11-04-2010 02:00PM

El Siglo wrote: »

Certainly not...:rolleyes:

We're not in the traditional DeValera sense anymore.

You've forgotten this group and this group... they're kind of like our 'Jews'...

So was this military until uncle Adolf came along.

thats some serious bull right there, especially the latter

galwayrush · 11-04-2010 02:01PM

:pac:

El Siglo wrote: »

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So was this military until uncle Adolf came along.

If Hitler was Irish, he would have had to emigrate.:pac:

El Siglo · 11-04-2010 02:06PM

aDeener wrote: »

thats some serious bull right there, especially the latter

How is it bull?
RC supported the blueshirts and generally speaking they're pretty fascist in their outlook.
The Wehrmacht was originally weak prior to Hitler coming into power, that's probably one of the main reasons why a load of staff officers supported the Nazis in the first place.
Travellers and Protestants have been a minority in Ireland for a long time, so if some Fascist group did come to power, next to non-nationals and immigrants, these groups would be targeted as well.

aDeener · 11-04-2010 02:09PM

El Siglo wrote: »

How is it bull?
RC supported the blueshirts and generally speaking they're pretty fascist in their outlook.
The Wehrmacht was originally weak prior to Hitler coming into power, that's probably one of the main reasons why a load of staff officers supported the Nazis in the first place.
Travellers and Protestants have been a minority in Ireland for a long time, so if some Fascist group did come to power, next to non-nationals and immigrants, these groups would be targeted as well.

just because they are minority does not mean they are automatically going to be targetted, who is going to target them on a large scale? jesus, comparing them to the jews is fcuking retarded

after the next general election....

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