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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭supermonkey


    That's Americans for ya! I asked one to look after my dog for 2 weeks she told me it had run away but she had it put down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Maybe everyone's being a little harsh on the mom.

    Maybe this kid is crazy.

    Who knows but she was waking up at 4am with him standing beside her in the dark clutching a meat cleaver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    this word came up...with annulled being the word for cancellation, does this mean she wants the kid back or not?:pac:
    disannul (redirected from disannulled)


    Also found in: Legal 0.03 sec. DIV.Ov{width:550px} dis·an·nul (dibreve.gifslprime.gifschwa.gif-nubreve.giflprime.gif)tr.v. dis·an·nulled, dis·an·null·ing, dis·an·nuls To annul or cancel.

    dislprime.gifan·nulprime.gifment n.
    The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
    disannul [ˌdɪsəˈnʌl]vb -nuls, -nulling, -nulled (Law) (tr) Chiefly law to cancel; make voiddisannulment n


    Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    That's Americans for ya! I asked one to look after my dog for 2 weeks she told me it had run away but she had it put down.

    wat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    this word came up...with annulled being the word for cancellation, does this mean she wants the kid back or not?:pac:

    Usage as in: "do you want dis-annulled, or dat-annulled?"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    Mother Russia, eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    Overheal wrote: »
    disannul (redirected from disannulled)


    Also found in: Legal 0.03 sec. DIV.Ov{width:550px} dis·an·nul (dibreve.gifslprime.gifschwa.gif-nubreve.giflprime.gif)tr.v. dis·an·nulled, dis·an·null·ing, dis·an·nuls To annul or cancel.

    dislprime.gifan·nulprime.gifment n.
    The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
    disannul [ˌdɪsəˈnʌl]vb -nuls, -nulling, -nulled (Law) (tr) Chiefly law to cancel; make voiddisannulment n


    Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

    My eyes! Ze goggles, zey do nothing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Nolanger


    Nothing new in this country. Anyone remember a smal Wicklow accountant called Joe Dowse?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Ronan Keating


    Anyone watching RTÉ News?

    They blurred the child's face and the passport photo and then the final shot of him leaving in a car was not censored at all therefore making the previous attempts to preserve his identity fruitless.

    That's RTÉ for you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Nolanger wrote: »
    Nothing new in this country. Anyone remember a smal Wicklow accountant called Joe Dowse?
    ?

    This isn't russia or the USA so how does this have anything to do with "this country"?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Maybe everyone's being a little harsh on the mom.

    Maybe this kid is crazy.

    Who knows but she was waking up at 4am with him standing beside her in the dark clutching a meat cleaver.

    In that case you call an exorcist. Everyone knows that.


    Just to ship him back like that and hire an anonymous stranger to meet him at the airport. Very dangerous and irresponsible.

    Only in America or in Russia or in the airspace between them I suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Ronan Keating


    AnonoBoy wrote: »

    Just to ship him back like that and hire an anonymous stranger to meet him at the airport. Very dangerous and irresponsible.

    .

    Yes it is. Imagine if Seán Fortune got him!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭chocgirl


    Poor child, feel so sorry for him, reckon his chances of ever being adopted now are ruined after all the media coverage. Surely the woman could have sought help for him in America, if she was a nurse she should have had some idea of the services available.

    Not much worse than that Irish couple though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Ronan Keating


    Not 100% clear but watch it for yourself below.



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    Watch it for yourself.

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1070384


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Oh ffs, it sounds like the child was violent and psychopathic - as another poster said, what if she woke up one night with him standing over her with a knife? I don't give a sh8t how 'un pc' it is - there isn't a hope in hell I'd let a violent nutter into my home with my family. It sounds like she was at the end of her tether. There's a lot more to this than meets the eye and silly sensationalist headlines just rouse the mob. :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    The best thing that kid can do now is put his head down, study hard in school, take part in local politics, get elected to the Duma and one day eventually become President of Russia.

    And then nuke America.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Well you know when you post something slightly controversial and noone picks up one it? :pac: I was just gearing up there too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    More on this
    A family that adopted a Russian child with severe emotional problems decided to simply put him on a plane back to Russia with a note for the child protection ministry. He showed up unannounced with a paid escort, provoking an "international incident."

    It seems the whole thing boils down to some questionable advice from a lawyer the adoptive parent found online, says CNN:


    ... the Tennessee woman who put Justin Hansen on the plane in Washington, insisted she did not abandon the child, but was following instructions from a lawyer she found online.

    Hansen told CNN that she was concerned about her family's safety after a series of violent incidents and threats.

    "I still have energy and I love children," Hansen said. "It wasn't that he was just energetic and wearing us down. It was the violent tendencies and he had to be watched at all time."


    Once the child learned enough English to communicate he described horrific abuse, and said he was responsible for burning down buildings back in Russia. The woman says the boy threatened to kill the family. The final straw came when the woman says she found the boy trying to light a fire in his room.


    When the lawyer she found online advised her the adoption could be reversed, Hansen booked the flight and paid the fee for a steward to escort Justin through the airport, she said.

    She hired a driver in Moscow she found online to pick the child up from the Moscow airport, she said. She found "safe references" for the driver online, she said.

    She then prepared a letter for Justin to present to Russian officials, which included a photo of the driver, whom she identified as "Arthur," she said.

    Justin "had never been happier" than when he boarded the plane for Moscow, she said.

    Russian child protection officials were not happy when the child arrived unannounced at their ministry Wednesday.


    Grandmother: Adopted boy sent back to Russia was violent [CNN]

    Lost for words.

    Well,
    Russian child protection officials were not happy when the child arrived unannounced at their ministry Wednesday.

    Does that mean they were not happy that he was treated that way or not happy that they failed to shove their problem on a foreigner? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Oh sending back an adopted child, not trying to send a baby back to the womb...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭hamlet1


    Stop judging that poor woman till you know what she has been through.Putting him on the plane alone wasn't the nicest thing to do,but maybe she couldn't take anymore.Her familys safety and sanity is more important.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Aoifums


    Poor kid. I don't care what he did, that family basically just told him they don't love him anymore and sent him back.
    So what if he was violent? Surely they could have just gotten him some therapy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    You'd need a pretty big tub of Vaseline


    Reverse ceasarian (sic)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    This is the most accurate defination of cruelity I have come across of late. I dont care how badly fvcked up the child is, no intelligent person can seriously think that they can adopt a child and just give it back if it doesnt work out!!!!! What would this b1tch do if she give birth to this child? She gave this child 6 months FFS!!!!

    The word C U Next Tuesday was invented for people like that. Was there an adoptive father?

    The life I envisioned for my son and I didnt exactly go to plan- its so difficult and I feel cheated at times. However we are a team and would never live a happy life without him. Thats what unconditional love is and I would never have it any other way. I hope she has the luck she deserves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    axel rose wrote: »
    This is the most accurate defination of cruelity I have come across of late. I dont care how badly fvcked up the child is, no intelligent person can seriously think that they can adopt a child and just give it back if it doesnt work out!!!!! What would this b1tch do if she give birth to this child? She gave this child 6 months FFS!!!!

    The word C U Next Tuesday was invented for people like that. Was there an adoptive father?

    The life I envisioned for my son and I didnt exactly go to plan- its so difficult and I feel cheated at times. However we are a team and would never live a happy life without him. Thats what unconditional love is and I would never have it any other way. I hope she has the luck she deserves.
    Cruelty can be described as indifference to suffering, and even positive pleasure in inflicting it. Sadism can also be related to this form of action or concept.
    Cruel ways of inflicting suffering may involve violence, but affirmative violence is not necessary for an act to be cruel. For example, if another person is drowning and begging for help, and another person is able to help, but merely watches with disinterest or perhaps mischievous amusement, that person is being cruel — rather than violent.
    Cruelty usually carries connotations of supremacy over a submissive or weaker force, insofar as a weaker party or entity can rarely inflict suffering on a party or entity that has greater dominance.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I




    In actual fact the woman thought what she was doing was Right and over the table. And according to the CNN article the child was never happier except when he boarded the plane


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    I think the vetting procedures for prospective adopters have to be looked at too. Any child can develop behavioural problems, especially those who've had a poor start in life. It makes sense to have some sort of rigorous examination of the prospective persons expectations and resolve in the face of potential difficulties. Failure all round is what's happened here, sitting as judge and jury on only the mother is ignoring the other areas of absolute fail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Aoifums


    Overheal wrote: »


    In actual fact the woman thought what she was doing was Right and over the table. And according to the CNN article the child was never happier except when he boarded the plane

    Other articles have said that the boy didn't know he was being sent back. So he was going on a trip and like most children, he was excited.

    Even if she was trying to reverse the adoption (which is cruel in itself), common sense tells you not to just stick him on a plane.

    About the reasons for sending him back, he described horrific abuse. Well what do you expect when you adopt an older child? That they'll magically forget all memories of their life before adoption? The kids needs help if he was abused. Not to be emotionally abused again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    WindSock wrote: »
    Maybe she wanted to exchange him for a Brunette?
    I'll take him! /sob






    Do you have him in blonde?
    Nolanger wrote: »
    Nothing new in this country. Anyone remember a smal Wicklow accountant called Joe Dowse?
    That was cold...
    Kimia wrote: »
    Oh ffs, it sounds like the child was violent and psychopathic - as another poster said, what if she woke up one night with him standing over her with a knife?
    What if it's not as OTT as that though?
    I don't give a sh8t how 'un pc' it is - there isn't a hope in hell I'd let a violent nutter into my home with my family.
    It's nothing to do with being PC, it's just, as has been said, finding it a bit too cold to put him on a plane back to Russia on his own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Kimia wrote: »
    Oh ffs, it sounds like the child was violent and psychopathic - as another poster said, what if she woke up one night with him standing over her with a knife? I don't give a sh8t how 'un pc' it is - there isn't a hope in hell I'd let a violent nutter into my home with my family. It sounds like she was at the end of her tether. There's a lot more to this than meets the eye and silly sensationalist headlines just rouse the mob. :rolleyes:

    But you said
    what if she woke up one night with him standing over her with a knife?

    You are the mob.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    I know a woman who adopted a little girl from a former Soviet bloc country at a similar age to this boy. She was very engaging at the orphanage, but over time it became clear that she had suffered from horrific sexual and physical abuse and had severe behavioral problems, to the point where it has greatly disrupted her family life (she has another older child) and put a huge strain on her marriage. NOBODY in the orphanage told her about this beforehand; she found out through therapy sessions with the girl (once she learned English), and through support networks with other parents who had similar problems with children adopted from the same country.

    That said, my friend would never send her child back on a plane halfway around the world. And she cried with shame as she told me how unhappy she was parenting this child. Mind you, this is someone with a background in social work, so she has professional training on how to deal with these kinds of issues, and she was still at her wit's end.

    Yes, international adoptions are always a risk, but there seems to be increasing evidence that severely damaged Russian children are being fobbed off on well-meaning but probably naive adoptive parents, and in the end everyone ends up miserable. Perhaps the best thing for everyone would be a freeze on Russian adoptions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hamlet1 wrote: »
    Stop judging that poor woman till you know what she has been through.Putting him on the plane alone wasn't the nicest thing to do,but maybe she couldn't take anymore.Her familys safety and sanity is more important.

    Yes, Clearly the best thing to do with a problem child is to bring him to the airport and put him on an international flight. That normally helps.:mad:


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