So you can send your child back......

xcarriex

The human race never cease to amaze me!

Can charges be brought?? I mean if Russia go through with there quote of not adopting to Americans has this one woman not potentially ruined chances for people who have been waiting for years!

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2925909/US-mum-returns-son-to-Russia.html

General Zod

xcarriex wrote: »

The human race never cease to amaze me!

Can charges be brought?? I mean if Russia go through with there quote of not adopting to Americans has this one woman not potentially ruined chances for people who have been waiting for years!

http://http://www.thesun.co

Got as far as here..

Kold

http:// need only be typed once.

biko

Fixed the link for you OP

But yesterday his adoptive mother, Torry-Ann Hansen, put him on a ten hour flight as an unaccompanied minor with a note 'to whom it may concern', saying: "I no longer wish to parent this child."

In his rucksack, the 26-year-old nurse had placed sweets, biscuits and colouring pens for the journey.

She did not tell him she was rejecting him. Instead, she and a grandmother said that he was going on an "excursion" to Moscow.

In the typed note, which the blond boy was clutching when Moscow police picked him up, she said she wanted the adoption annulled and accused the Vladivostok orphanage of misleading her about the child's behavioural problems.

The Russians angrily denied this, saying he was stubborn but that his only disability was that he was "flat-footed".

Wow, that fecked up!

Hazys

Well if she kept the receipt, i don't really see a problem.

WindSock

Maybe she wanted to exchange him for a Brunette?

ejmaztec

If your goods are covered by a 12 month guarantee, and there's a manufacturing defect, what are you supposed to do, keep quiet about it? :eek:

Kiera

Thats awful, the poor little kid. If he didnt have behaviour problems then he will now knowing he has been rejected

AckwelFoley

tbh, its impossible to judge this without pics.

In fairness, she may have got one of those emails about a hot russian man that wants to find love in America..

when she placed the order and it arrived - i'd imagne she didnt expect she'd have to grow it too.

Read the small print people, read the damm small print

PCPhoto

consumer law....lol..... entitled to a repair, replace or FULL REFUND !!

bronte

Jesus Christ!
I'm adopted, and it's times like this I am so damned grateful I ended up with the amazing parents I did.
That is so damn sad. He's seven like?
He's going to be haunted by this crap for a very long time.
What a callous bitch. :(

MaybeLogic

Kiera wrote: »

Thats awful, the poor little kid. If he didnt have behaviour problems then he will now knowing he has been rejected

And he's flat-footed, to boot.

dr.bollocko

You can't be russian into big things like adoption.

happyfriday

Pretty shocking stuff. Even if he had problems she should maybe of looked into getting some kind of help in the US, not sending him back to Russia all on his own with a note pinned to his jumper. She took on the responsibility so the stupid women should not be allowed to get away with treating another human being as a pair of shoes!!

MaybeLogic

In mother Russia, children adopt you.

ScumLord

If that child says "in Russia.." one more time I'm sending him back.

ibarelycare

So you can send your child back......

You'd need a pretty big tub of Vaseline

prinz

B*tch should be done for child neglect and trafficking.

xcarriex

ibarelycare wrote: »

You'd need a pretty big tub of Vaseline

My mam always said she would send me back to where i came from:eek:

gbee

Vladivostok orphanage of misleading her about the child's behavioural problems.

I suspect that many would-be adopters under estimate this potential.

Overheal

Gross misrepresentation by The Sun

According to the Sun, they insist that the mother *quote* said she "didn't want him anymore" And deliberately portray it as "Callous" as if she had decided to throw out a pair of old shoes.

But nowhere further in the article can I find the context of this.

Perhaps they meant "quote" like Dr.Evil means "Laser"?

What the Mother Actually said:

To Whom it may concern,

I adopted this child, Artem Saveliev on September 29, 2009. This child is mentaly unstable. He is violent and has sever psychopathic issues/behaviors. I was lied to and misled by the Russian Orphanage workers and the Director regarding his mental stability and other issues. The Orphanage employees were definitely aware of the problems that this child has. Yet, they chose to grossly misrepresent these problems, in order to get them out of their orphanage.

After giving my best to this child, I am sorry to say that for the safety of my family, my friends, and myself, I no longer wish to parent this child. As he is a Russian National, I am returning him to your Guardianship and would like the adoption disannuled.

What a callous bitch.

Sigmond laughs in his grave everytime someone parrots the words they read.

ejmaztec

prinz wrote: »

B*tch should be done for child neglect and trafficking.

I bet she never returned the accessories or the free gift. I hope they cancel her Adopt-a-Russkie loyalty card points.

prinz

Overheal wrote: »

According to the Sun, they insist that the mother *quote* said she "didn't want him anymore" And deliberately portray it as "Callous" as if she had decided to throw out a pair of old shoes.

I think it's the bit where she put a 7 year old orphan on a flight to Moscow with some biscuits and a couple of markers oh and a typed note to whatever random stranger she had found and paid to pick him up.

bronte

Overheal wrote: »

Gross misrepresentation by The Sun

According to the Sun, they insist that the mother *quote* said she "didn't want him anymore" And deliberately portray it as "Callous" as if she had decided to throw out a pair of old shoes.

But nowhere further in the article can I find the context of this.

Perhaps they meant "quote" like Dr.Evil means "Laser"?

What the Mother Actually said:

To Whom it may concern,

I adopted this child, Artem Saveliev on September 29, 2009. This child is mentaly unstable. He is violent and has sever psychopathic issues/behaviors. I was lied to and misled by the Russian Orphanage workers and the Director regarding his mental stability and other issues. The Orphanage employees were definitely aware of the problems that this child has. Yet, they chose to grossly misrepresent these problems, in order to get them out of their orphanage.

After giving my best to this child, I am sorry to say that for the safety of my family, my friends, and myself, I no longer wish to parent this child. As he is a Russian National, I am returning him to your Guardianship and would like the adoption disannuled.

Sigmond laughs in his grave everytime someone parrots the words they read.

I'm sure it's been sensationalized to feck, but she stuck him on a plane on his own. It's just cold.

Overheal

bronte wrote: »

I'm sure it's been sensationalized to feck, but she stuck him on a plane on his own. It's just cold.

Stupid yes. Evil no. Judging from her letter I dont think that was her intention.

prinz

Overheal wrote: »

Stupid yes. Evil no. Judging from her letter I dont think that was her intention.

Even if I was returning damaged goods to a shop I'd do it in person. Common courtesy and decency.

ejmaztec

Overheal wrote: »

Stupid yes. Evil no. Judging from her letter I dont think that was her intention.

She should have acted in a more humane and civilised manner, but for some strange reason she didn't. It seems the kid isn't the only one with psychological issues, and they were probably made for each other.

bronte

Overheal wrote: »

Stupid yes. Evil no. Judging from her letter I dont think that was her intention.

She's off my Christmas card list anyway.

cynder

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Adopted-Boy-Sent-Back-To-Russia-From-US-Artem-Savelyev-Rejected-By-His-Adopted-Tennessee-Mother/Article/201004215598120?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15598120_Adopted_Boy_Sent_Back_To_Russia_From_US%3A_Artem_Savelyev_Rejected_By_His_Adopted_Tennessee_Mother


I feel sorry for the poor lad, with all the facilities in america surely he would have got help - thats if she sought it. I would think that this woman is just not cut out to be a mom. Its not like your getting a puppy is a human life. I hope the boy finds a family that will love him and help him through his issues. After what he has been through i wish him the best of luck.

if i win the euro millions tonight i would adopt him!!!!!!!

we'llallhavetea_old

i wouldn't post a faulty product back to the shop for fear of it getting stolen/damaged. i care enough for a crappy eg. hair straighteners, not to send it on its own.

there is never going to be a big enough excuse, for me, to understand the mentality of sending the poor child on his own, without actually knowing what would happen to him.

entropi

It's a very hurtful thing she's done here, potential adoptive perents are normally told of anything that can affect the welfare of the child, any problems they may have and how to manage them, so she can hardly say she knew nothing of it without extensive proof.

My best mate for like 15 years was adopted so I dont like hearing about people getting fu**ed around with adoption issues:(

And in the quote of the original letter the mother wrote posted by Overheal:

disannulled

this word came up...with annulled being the word for cancellation, does this mean she wants the kid back or not?:pac:

supermonkey

That's Americans for ya! I asked one to look after my dog for 2 weeks she told me it had run away but she had it put down.

OutlawPete

Maybe everyone's being a little harsh on the mom.

Maybe this kid is crazy.

Who knows but she was waking up at 4am with him standing beside her in the dark clutching a meat cleaver.

Overheal

Master of Nothing wrote: »

this word came up...with annulled being the word for cancellation, does this mean she wants the kid back or not?:pac:

disannul (redirected from disannulled)


Also found in: Legal 0.03 sec. DIV.Ov{width:550px} dis·an·nul (ds-nl)tr.v. dis·an·nulled, dis·an·null·ing, dis·an·nuls To annul or cancel.

disan·nulment n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
disannul [ˌdɪsəˈnʌl]vb -nuls, -nulling, -nulled (Law) (tr) Chiefly law to cancel; make voiddisannulment n


Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Kold

supermonkey wrote: »

That's Americans for ya! I asked one to look after my dog for 2 weeks she told me it had run away but she had it put down.

wat.

ejmaztec

Master of Nothing wrote: »

this word came up...with annulled being the word for cancellation, does this mean she wants the kid back or not?:pac:

Usage as in: "do you want dis-annulled, or dat-annulled?"

Le King

Mother Russia, eh?

omahaid

Overheal wrote: »

disannul (redirected from disannulled)


Also found in: Legal 0.03 sec. DIV.Ov{width:550px} dis·an·nul (ds-nl)tr.v. dis·an·nulled, dis·an·null·ing, dis·an·nuls To annul or cancel.

disan·nulment n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
disannul [ˌdɪsəˈnʌl]vb -nuls, -nulling, -nulled (Law) (tr) Chiefly law to cancel; make voiddisannulment n


Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

My eyes! Ze goggles, zey do nothing

Nolanger

Nothing new in this country. Anyone remember a smal Wicklow accountant called Joe Dowse?

Ronan Keating

Anyone watching RTÉ News?

They blurred the child's face and the passport photo and then the final shot of him leaving in a car was not censored at all therefore making the previous attempts to preserve his identity fruitless.

That's RTÉ for you!

partyatmygaff

Nolanger wrote: »

Nothing new in this country. Anyone remember a smal Wicklow accountant called Joe Dowse?

?

This isn't russia or the USA so how does this have anything to do with "this country"?

AnonoBoy

OutlawPete wrote: »

Maybe everyone's being a little harsh on the mom.

Maybe this kid is crazy.

Who knows but she was waking up at 4am with him standing beside her in the dark clutching a meat cleaver.

In that case you call an exorcist. Everyone knows that.


Just to ship him back like that and hire an anonymous stranger to meet him at the airport. Very dangerous and irresponsible.

Only in America or in Russia or in the airspace between them I suppose.

Ronan Keating

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Just to ship him back like that and hire an anonymous stranger to meet him at the airport. Very dangerous and irresponsible.

.

Yes it is. Imagine if Seán Fortune got him!

chocgirl

Poor child, feel so sorry for him, reckon his chances of ever being adopted now are ruined after all the media coverage. Surely the woman could have sought help for him in America, if she was a nurse she should have had some idea of the services available.

Not much worse than that Irish couple though.

Ronan Keating

Not 100% clear but watch it for yourself below.














Watch it for yourself.

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1070384

Kimia

Oh ffs, it sounds like the child was violent and psychopathic - as another poster said, what if she woke up one night with him standing over her with a knife? I don't give a sh8t how 'un pc' it is - there isn't a hope in hell I'd let a violent nutter into my home with my family. It sounds like she was at the end of her tether. There's a lot more to this than meets the eye and silly sensationalist headlines just rouse the mob. :rolleyes:

Augmerson

The best thing that kid can do now is put his head down, study hard in school, take part in local politics, get elected to the Duma and one day eventually become President of Russia.

And then nuke America.

Kimia

Well you know when you post something slightly controversial and noone picks up one it? :pac: I was just gearing up there too

Overheal

More on this

A family that adopted a Russian child with severe emotional problems decided to simply put him on a plane back to Russia with a note for the child protection ministry. He showed up unannounced with a paid escort, provoking an "international incident."

It seems the whole thing boils down to some questionable advice from a lawyer the adoptive parent found online, says CNN:

“
... the Tennessee woman who put Justin Hansen on the plane in Washington, insisted she did not abandon the child, but was following instructions from a lawyer she found online.

Hansen told CNN that she was concerned about her family's safety after a series of violent incidents and threats.

"I still have energy and I love children," Hansen said. "It wasn't that he was just energetic and wearing us down. It was the violent tendencies and he had to be watched at all time."
”

Once the child learned enough English to communicate he described horrific abuse, and said he was responsible for burning down buildings back in Russia. The woman says the boy threatened to kill the family. The final straw came when the woman says she found the boy trying to light a fire in his room.

“
When the lawyer she found online advised her the adoption could be reversed, Hansen booked the flight and paid the fee for a steward to escort Justin through the airport, she said.

She hired a driver in Moscow she found online to pick the child up from the Moscow airport, she said. She found "safe references" for the driver online, she said.

She then prepared a letter for Justin to present to Russian officials, which included a photo of the driver, whom she identified as "Arthur," she said.

Justin "had never been happier" than when he boarded the plane for Moscow, she said.

Russian child protection officials were not happy when the child arrived unannounced at their ministry Wednesday.
”

Grandmother: Adopted boy sent back to Russia was violent [CNN]

Lost for words.

Well,

Russian child protection officials were not happy when the child arrived unannounced at their ministry Wednesday.

Does that mean they were not happy that he was treated that way or not happy that they failed to shove their problem on a foreigner? :rolleyes:

Nevyn

Oh sending back an adopted child, not trying to send a baby back to the womb...........

hamlet1

Stop judging that poor woman till you know what she has been through.Putting him on the plane alone wasn't the nicest thing to do,but maybe she couldn't take anymore.Her familys safety and sanity is more important.