Yemen Child Brides

Nodin · 09-04-2010 07:33PM

Your choice of handbags, must be weighed before hostilities begin. In case you were wondering.

OutlawPete · 09-04-2010 07:36PM

Nodin wrote: »

Saying 'You only picked that out coz they were teh muzlims' was more what I was getting at, but if you want handbags at dawn, so be it....

I know, sure wasn't I only having the craic with ya, it being Friday night and all.

The weekend starts here

Nodin · 09-04-2010 07:39PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

I know, sure wasn't I only having the craic with ya, it being Friday night and all.

The weekend starts here

Indeedy.

FlutterinBantam · 09-04-2010 07:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

Absolutely. Whens the last time you saw a thread about the treatment and conditions of Women in Latin America? 99 times out 100 when there's a thread on the treatment of women and children, its targeted at muslims or an islamic country, yet there's no way in hell its only societies where Islam is predominant that maltreatment and brutal customs occur in.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Predominantly women are treated badly in Muslim countries.

Here is a link which outlines the various problems of women in Islamic states

biko · 09-04-2010 07:52PM

supermonkey wrote: »

Even if she was fifteen the age difference is disgusting.
It was even worse with Mary and Yahweh.

Or Edward in Twilight, he is 106 and she 17.
Freeeeeaky

MaybeLogic · 09-04-2010 07:53PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Predominantly women are treated badly in Muslim countries.

Here is a link which outlines the various problems of women in Islamic states

Never in India, China, some Eastern European countries, South America or Africa?

shadowdog · 09-04-2010 07:59PM

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/fight_rape_trade/

OutlawPete · 09-04-2010 08:01PM

biko wrote: »

Or Edward in Twilight, he is 106 and she 17.
Freeeeeaky

Oh christ don't mention that

Some gentleman on the Film forum was saying the third book is pedophilia in nature due to the character being an infant when the romantic theme is first introduced.

The third installment should be good so after the hoopla that they put Nicole Kidman through for Birth.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 08:18PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Predominantly women are treated badly in Muslim countries.

Here is a link which outlines the various problems of women in Islamic states

Read all that link through, like a good man.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 08:19PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

The third installment should be good so after the hoopla that they put Nicole Kidman through for Birth.

So much stress her forehead almost moved, so its said....

Mike 1972 · 09-04-2010 08:25PM

biko wrote: »

Most countries have declared 18 as the minimum legal age of marriage.

Fairly recently in the case of Ireland and it is still possible to marry at 16 in some circumstances.

Mister men · 09-04-2010 08:44PM

Hush these guy's have all the oil.

Dudess · 09-04-2010 09:19PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Wherever there are toothless yokel societies, there are child brides.

No teenage daughter of mine will ever be let anywhere near Macroom so! :mad:

Nodin wrote: »

No, I'm saying that some seize on this issue when it arises to bash muslims.

I don't think that's apparent here though - everyone just seems to be in agreement that this is inconceivably horrific abuse. I've noticed people trying to liken Irish society to it all right though, which is quite... wtf.

Kasabian · 09-04-2010 09:28PM

Dudess wrote: »

No teenage daughter of mine will ever be let anywhere near Macroom so! :mad:

I don't think that's apparent here though - everyone just seems to be in agreement that this is inconceivably horrific abuse. I've noticed people trying to liken Irish society to it all right though, which is quite... wtf.

Agreed , how can comparisons with our society be made here. Granted we have had some terrible atrocities come to light of late but to compare a society like ours where people live in relative peace and harmony and not uder a regim that sees women as second class people.

I can't recall the last child bride or woman stoned to death for adultery .

I used to live by the teachings of a good book but had to stop , I kept tripping over my fake hobbit feet

Dudess · 09-04-2010 09:36PM

Can that phrase meet the same fate as "yore ma" plz? Ditto "nnnnnnice"...

Nevyn · 09-04-2010 09:58PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Fairly recently in the case of Ireland and it is still possible to marry at 16 in some circumstances.

Until the law was reformed it was possible to get married at 16 with parental permission and at 13 if all parents and grand parents gave permission.

Kasabian · 09-04-2010 10:02PM

Thaedydal wrote: »

Until the law was reformed it was possible to get married at 16 with parental permission and at 13 if all parents and grand parents gave permission.

Really :eek: , That is shocking , I never knew that.

wes · 09-04-2010 10:46PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Like wes said its not in the Koran, but in the hadeeth, (very) basically the biography of the prophet and the early faith. It's defo not in the Koran AFAIK. Indeed one area where change could come is Muslims only following the Koran. Make a big diff. Yes there are some passages in there that may raise eyebrows(like in the gospels/old testament), but it is much much more considered, inclusive and peaceful. I gather there are some who already do as they consider the hadeeth unreliable and not the word of Allah. I cant see it gaining that much support though as the Koran itself holds Mohammad as a good(if not the best) example of a good Muslim.

Hadith are 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand stories about the life of Muhammad pbuh. Basically, not all Muslims will see all hadiths as being genuine examples of the Prophets life and quite a few are rejected by different groups of Muslims.

Even the age of consent law are different in different Muslim countries, due to this. Some will have a absurdly low age of consent, and other won't.

Hadith are also evaluated from time to time, and are re-evaluated now and again. This process was recently done in Turkey for Sunni Muslims following the Hanafi school of taught:

Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Nevyn · 09-04-2010 11:00PM

lonad wrote: »

Really :eek: , That is shocking , I never knew that.

The current law has a prevision for those under 18 but it means going to court.
It used to be that minors were allowed to marry if pregnant and often those who had preyed on them would be pushed into marrying them.

1.1 Minimum Age of Marriage:

From August 1, 1996 (under the Family Law Act, 1995) the minimum age at which a person, ordinarily resident in the State, may contract a marriage valid in Irish law is eighteen years of age; whether the marriage takes place in Ireland or elsewhere. This provision also applies where one party to the proposed marriage is over 18 years of age and the other is under 18, and to all non-residents who are marrying in the State. All persons applying to marry in the State must provide a Registrar with evidence of age and identity. Failure to produce such evidence will result in refusal to proceed with the marriage. Persons aged under 18 must obtain the permission of the Circuit Family Court or the High Court to get married.

If the permission of the Circuit Family Court or High Court has not been obtained and either party to the marriage is under eighteen years of age, the Registrar or person solemnising the marriage must not proceed with the marriage ceremony. Any party to such marriage, or any Registrar or person solemnising a marriage, who is convicted of knowingly breaching the provisions regarding the minimum age for the marriage shall be liable to a fine of up to €635.

There is no requirement to obtain parental consent for a marriage.

ejmaztec · 09-04-2010 11:01PM

Dudess wrote: »

No teenage daughter of mine will ever be let anywhere near Macroom so! :mad:

Fortunately, the toothless yokels across Ireland are surrounded by normal people to keep them in check, with laws to back them up.:D

In the Yemen, if they've got any laws against child brides, the laws must be as toothless as the population.:(

FlutterinBantam · 09-04-2010 11:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

Read all that link through, like a good man.

That's why I said the 'problems' women have.

SchweppesUTD · 09-04-2010 11:04PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

That's why I said the 'problems' women have.

Muppet :rolleyes:

Wibbs · 09-04-2010 11:13PM

wes wrote: »

Hadith are 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand stories about the life of Muhammad pbuh. Basically, not all Muslims will see all hadiths as being genuine examples of the Prophets life and quite a few are rejected by different groups of Muslims.

Even the age of consent law are different in different Muslim countries, due to this. Some will have a absurdly low age of consent, and other won't.

Hadith are also evaluated from time to time, and are re-evaluated now and again. This process was recently done in Turkey for Sunni Muslims following the Hanafi school of taught:

Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Thanks for that link and great to see too. From my agnostic point of view the Koran has a historically early date in Islam, the hadeeth, indeed any references to the prophets life are a lot later. 100's of years later in many cases. Now I have much more faith in oral transmission than most, but IMHO what we know about Mohammad is very very little. Nothing from independent sources for 100's of years and like one of the scholars in the article linked says, may have been later additions to serve other political purposes(though hes a christian so....) . TBH I think if I was a Muslim and had faith I reckon Id be a Koranic only Muslim and pay lip service to much of the rest.

Sorry got off topic there. Dey took uur Jooooobs. *sighs, back in the fold*

Mike 1972 · 10-04-2010 12:11AM

Thaedydal wrote: »

The current law has a prevision for those under 18 but it means going to court..

So in theory one could marry a 16yo but cant consumate the marriage until they are 17

:rolleyes:

SV · 10-04-2010 12:14AM

Disgusting carry on.
Poor girls, shocking to think of the thousands that will be subjected to this kind of treatment in their life and would take nothing short of a miracle to get them out of that kind of life..

Nodin · 10-04-2010 10:33AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

That's why I said the 'problems' women have.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Predominantly women are treated badly in Muslim countries.

Here is a link which outlines the various problems of women in Islamic states

No, you didn't. You just grabbed the first thing you found that you thought agreed with you and whacked it up there, without giving it a read through. Google is no substitute for knowledge, grasshopper.

pookie82 · 10-04-2010 10:55AM

I probably shouldn't post here but anyway....

The whole child bride things always makes me wonder. I mean, technically, if a girl is having periods etc, nature had determined that she is ready to procreate and by default, have sex. Now I understand the uproar at say an 8 year old child bride, who really can't have developed enough to safely have sex with a fully grown man, but if she's 13/14 and has begun to menstruate, surely she's "ready"? And if she isn't "emotionally ready" as many will argue, why not? Why do our bodies force us to mature much quicker than our psychological capabilities? (I'm genuinely curious by they way, not being smart).

Obviously the main issue at hand in the OP is the horrendous abuse suffered which is by no means acceptable, but I think that's more to do with the female being akin to property and being controlled as such than it has to do with being a child.

I know that I started having periods at 11, at which time I was by NO means ready psychologically or physically to have sex/kids. But why do our bodies work like that? Surely our physical make up is dictating that we're ready to procreate?

I'm trying to think outside of the boundaries of our ages of consent and what's socially acceptable here in the western world (NOT disagree with it) and wonder if it's not terribly unusual to see a young girl who has started to show physical signs of the ability to procreate and want to procreate with her. Obviously it's pretty disgusting for an 80 year old to marry a 13 year old etc but in reality, she's ready, right? And if she's not physically ready, didn't her body really f*ck up???

Ah I dunno, this confuses me. Obviously instinctively I feel it's wrong and everything in me feels utter contempt for these people. But isn't it s biological mess up too when a young girl dies in childbirth/from sex because although she was menstruating she couldn't physically handle it? Maybe someone can explain that menstruation doesn't signal the ability to procreate in itself. This always confuses me.

bronte · 10-04-2010 11:29AM

We're humans Pookie, we're incredibly messed up.

I'd have sent me back to the manufacturer a long time ago if I could find the git.

Lousy girl problems. :mad:

pookie82 · 10-04-2010 11:41AM

bronte wrote: »

We're humans Pookie, we're incredibly messed up.

I'd have sent me back to the manufacturer a long time ago if I could find the git.

Lousy girl problems. :mad:

Ya I guess you're right. We're a walking bag of contradictions :rolleyes:

OutlawPete · 10-04-2010 12:10PM

pookie82 wrote: »

The whole child bride things always makes me wonder. I mean, technically, if a girl is having periods etc, nature had determined that she is ready to procreate and by default, have sex. Now I understand the uproar at say an 8 year old child bride, who really can't have developed enough to safely have sex with a fully grown man, but if she's 13/14 and has begun to menstruate, surely she's "ready"? And if she isn't "emotionally ready" as many will argue, why not? Why do our bodies force us to mature much quicker than our psychological capabilities? (I'm genuinely curious by they way, not being smart).

I have read a little on this apparently Nutrition has a lot to do with it.

Weston Price wrote a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration which proved (as far as I am concerned) that modern diet was narrowing the jaws of humans and the hips of females were becoming far narrower.

He followed tribes and seen child birth that was a breeze for some females and then witnessed other tribes that were relying on "modern" nutrition and they were having far more more difficult labour.

As a matter of interest, does anyone know if the age of consent in Spain has had an effect on the age of pregnancy there. Do they for instance, have more or less teenage pregnancies than the UK or Ireland?

Yemen Child Brides

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